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Gov Targets Private Bank Accounts: Seizes Funds Of Innocent Americans Without Charge or Trial

Posted by on Oct. 26, 2013 at 6:31 PM
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Do you still keep a hefty portion of your savings in a U.S. bank?

If so you may want to reconsider your options. Because if the following report from the Institute of Justice is any indication, nothing you hold in a private bank account account is safe anymore.

Can the government use civil forfeiture to take your money when you have done nothing wrong—and then pocket the proceeds?

The IRS thinks so.

**For over 30 years, Terry Dehko has successfully run a grocery store in Fraser, Mich., with his daughter Sandy. In January 2013, without warning, the federal government used civil forfeiture to seize all of the money from the Dehkos’ store bank account (more than $35,000) even though they’ve done absolutely nothing wrong.

Their American Dream is now a nightmare.

Federal civil forfeiture law features an appalling lack of due process: It empowers the government to seize private property from Americans without ever charging, let alone convicting, them of a crime. Perversely, the government then pockets the proceeds while providing no prompt way to get a court to review the seizure.

On September 25, 2013, Terry and Sandy teamed up with the Institute for Justice to fight back in federal court. A victory will vindicate not just their right to be free from abusive forfeiture tactics, but the right of every American not to have their property wrongfully seized by government.

Source: Institute of Justice via AEI / The Daily Crux**




Every year the government of the United States seizes tens of billions of dollars in taxpayer money and redistributes these funds to “black” projects which are often unaccounted for. On September 10th, 2001, for example, Sec. of Defense Donald Rumsfeld admitted that the D.O.D. had lost around $2.3 Trillion. The funds were unaccounted for and any investigation into where they went ended the following day when the office holding the records in question was reportedly destroyed in the Pentagon attack.

No one was held to account. No one went to jail. No one was punished.

Make a suspicious transaction or can’t account for your money as a private citizen, however, and they will seize everything you own and treat you like a financial terrorist.

There are no warrants, no charges, no court proceedings. They just take it. And if you don’t comply, they’ll send an IRS SWAT team through your front door and imprison you.

What’s frightening about the experience of Terry and Sandy Dehko is that just months prior to their seizure of their assets the Internal Revenue Service completed an audit indicating that all of their records were legitimate, and their small business was operating within the guidelines of Federal tax law.

No matter.

When surveillance state flagging algorithms spotted them depositing suspicious amounts of money just below the $10,000 required federal reporting limit into their bank account, a necessity for the Dehkos because their insurance only covered up to $10,000 in losses, they were red flagged by automated monitoring systems as possible money launderers.

Their $35,000 was subsequently seized after the IRS filed a secret warrant (a lot of that going around these days) accusing them of “structuring.” Because of the nature of civil forfeiture laws they now have to fight for their own money and prove their activities were legal. The IRS required no proof whatsoever.

An accusation was enough.

These heavy handed practices will not get any better going forward, especially considering the fiscal state of our nation.

The IRS and other government agencies are booming, hiring on thousands of new employees for enforcement, and arming them with assault weapons and ammunition for those who reuse to comply.

Last year the government took in over $4 billion in forfeiture money. How much of that was from Americans like the Dehkos, who did nothing wrong?
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kcangel63
by Amanda on Oct. 26, 2013 at 6:32 PM
Video link for those who can't see it on the OP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwN-uFCtXPs
Ednarooni160
by Eds on Oct. 26, 2013 at 6:44 PM
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THIS is SO messed up...

kcangel63
by Amanda on Oct. 26, 2013 at 6:46 PM
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I keep enough money in the bank to pay my bills. That's all it's in there for. That's the only reason I have a bank account. It isn't entirely for the reason of the OP, but that is a small part.

Quoting Ednarooni160:

THIS is SO messed up...

143myboys9496
by Gold Member on Oct. 26, 2013 at 7:23 PM
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Holy friggin WOW!! 

I hope and PRAY these people win their case. 

The IRS is functioning with a mafia mentality, I'm surprised no one's knees have been mysteriously broken yet. 

OUTfuckingRAGEOUS!

DSamuels
by Gold Member on Oct. 26, 2013 at 7:44 PM
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How come gov't usually assumes you're guilty until proven innocent instead of the other way around?

143myboys9496
by Gold Member on Oct. 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM
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More specifically, the IRS. Then they circle the wagons with the rest of the govt.

Quoting DSamuels:

How come gov't usually assumes you're guilty until proven innocent instead of the other way around?


muslimah
by on Oct. 26, 2013 at 8:48 PM
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 I know them, they're a Chaldean family (Catholic Iraqis)... pretty big family. My ex husband made some signs for their store when he had his sign company.

 

 Subhan Allah ( سبحان الله )"Glory be to Allah"
 Alhamdulillah ( الحمدللہ )"All Praise to Allah"
 Allahu Akbar ( الله اكبر )"Allah is the Greatest"

muslimah
by on Oct. 26, 2013 at 9:12 PM

 

Quoting DSamuels:

How come gov't usually assumes you're guilty until proven innocent instead of the other way around?

 I'm not at all saying this is the case with this family. I know the family and they are very nice people. I have never seen or heard of them conducting any illegal business transactions but they are Chaldean. Chaldean businesses ( mostly stores) have been under the microscope here for the last 3 years since 2011 because they are very well known for buying stamps, giving cash back on food stamps, and selling non food items and ringing them up as "grocery".

 They periodically every few months go right down the road and hit one store after another conducting raids and audits and all the stores are Chaldean. it's hard to find a store that is not Chaldean. It's also hard to find a Chaldean store that does not conduct business like that so they crack down on them all.

Several are caught in one sweep, several are not either because they have their tracks covered well or they are one of the few who are not involved in illegal business activity.

Now I want to make very sure to stress because I have known this family for a long time. I have no reason to think they are guilty of doing like most of them. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I have not seen or heard of them doing it but because they are a Chaldean family store they fall under the microscope guilty or not.

In America it's not innocent until found guilty, it's guilty until found innocent.

 Subhan Allah ( سبحان الله )"Glory be to Allah"
 Alhamdulillah ( الحمدللہ )"All Praise to Allah"
 Allahu Akbar ( الله اكبر )"Allah is the Greatest"

AdrianneHill
by Bronze Member on Oct. 28, 2013 at 12:44 AM
They've been doing this and similar since the mid nineties. It was wrong then and it is still wrong. It only got worse after homeland security.
In Florida, if you are caught riding with a "suspicious" amount of cash, the police could seize it as drug money without having to charge, much less convict the person they were stealing from. And it was theft straight up. The highway patrol intentionally targeted black families with women drivers, and several had all of their vacation funds seized for the sin of not using travellers checks. One woman had there thousands dollars on her . Not excessive when she was trying to take a family of five to Disney for a week. Too bad, the cops searched her car, took all of her money, and sent her on her way sans cash after getting her vehicle out of impound. Finally came to light that this was an order from up high because it made the highway patrol seem to state spending overseers like it was self sustaining through traffic tickets and seized money from drug runners.
Unfortunately, you were guilty until proven innocent and most people didn't have to time to travel back to Florida, hire a Florida attorney, and then be present for the trial. and the state was able to depend on the fact that most of the people didn't trust law enforcement in the first place and wanted as little dealings with them as possible, including unfortunately all of the work required to reclaim the funds. That was hard to do because one had to prove the money didn't come from drug sales and they weren't going to go to drug sales, and it is easy to pick on people who aren't that sure of their rights in the first place.
It worked, the state kept millions before the federal government stepped in and told them to stop. Not stop taking money from innocent Americans driving drug corridor interstates. No just stop only targeting the out of state black families. So progress I guess. Every color in the rainbow will know the joy of random search and seizure these days. Well we couldn't bring them up to us obviously. The only solution is to unwillingly let ourselves be treated as they are told to accept being treated. Black men shouldn't complain about being suspected of crime, a lot of black makes are crime suspects, right? Well now it can go the other way, a lot of the tax cheats are white so it will make sense to start with the position that most whites need audits since they're usually tax cheats. Wouldn't that table you a little if you received that in a letter from the irs announcing your third audit.


And for a little change of pace:

Give me a list of power restrictions you'll want in place if Cruz or someone like him was in the white house. They shouldn't mind scaling back executive powers while they occupy the big vchair, it's what they claim the country needs. Want to start running some odds on how devoted they remain to dismantling the executive branch when they have it at their disposal? Possibly have unfettered control of the executive branch if the conservatives get their way and the tea party takes both houses and the presidency next time around. Just saying, most aren't known for self restraint when a reactionary, symbolic gesture would be sure to be divisive, counter productive and howlingly hysterical to the choir who are gleefully shoving the country toward an abyss on greased rails to make sure Obama is a constant embarrassing failure and America hater, visible to the whole world.

I think they'd be the first to forget that you never create/use a weapon or strategy you aren't prepared for your enemy to use against you next time. The democrats will do this too. Government will be again be shut down in a pretty tantrum to delay an already agreed upon piece of legislation in a future and harmful attempt to force the will of the angry minority to take precedence over established government procedures and votes.
That isn't the art of war, refraining from useless tit for tat slap fights and an ability to compromise for the greater good. It's the ever more difficult and precarious art of governing and they rightly have different goals. War is destruction, government usually tries to prevent that within its borders at least. Will they be able to stop fighting the war on Obama if they win it or will they still keep slashing and burning because they would be happier with the government from the 1870s through the 1910s. Ineffectual at protecting her borders and citizens and secondary to the big business concerns sucking all of the money out of the economy and shoving it under the mattress of the rich.
Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Oct. 28, 2013 at 8:49 AM

The major malfunction here is that people still think that there are "private accounts"

We are a collective now - money is being redistrubed to where it is needed within the collective.

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