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Jesus could have been a liberal

Posted by on Dec. 9, 2013 at 3:24 PM
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Jesus Christ was a liberal, despite what right-wing Christians think.

The Christian Right goes on and on about how much they love Jesus Christ. When will they get the memo? Jesus was a liberal. Image by Elisabeth Parker for Addicting Info.

Have you ever wondered why right-wing Christians keep saying they love Jesus Christ, even though their toxic beliefs have nothing to do with what Jesus said, taught, or stood for? Whether you believe He was our savior, or just a great teacher in history, have you ever suspected that if Jesus Christ lived today, he would have been a liberal? Well, you were right all along. Jesus was a liberal. And we’ve got 15 quotes to prove it.

“But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.”
– Like many liberals, Jesus Christ scorned phony displays of religion.

(1) Religion: Right-wingers claim to love Jesus, and are known for loudly shouting their faith from atop their soap boxes. But, like many liberals, the real Jesus Christ scorned these showy – and often phony – displays of piety. He said: “But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.” [Matthew 6-7 KJV]

(2) The 10 Commandments: As far as we can tell, the leaders of the Christian Right don’t obey the laws inscribed on the tablets Moses brought down from Mt. Sinai, let alone the ones Jesus valued most. When crowds asked Jesus Christ what He saw as the most important of the 10 Commandments, His reply reflects the values of today’s liberal Christians. Jesus clearly sees a pure love of God and for our fellow human beings as the bottom line for being a Christian: “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.” And: “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” [Matthew 36-40 KJV].

(3) The “War on Christmas”: We’ll never know what Jesus would have thought about Christmas décor and baby-in-the-manger scenes at City Hall. But He probably would have found conservatives’ rantings about “The War On Christmas” puzzling. As many savior-savvy liberals would quickly point out, Jesus Christ didn’t celebrate Christmas: He was Jewish, and would have observed Hanukkah.

“Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.”
– Jesus Christ agreed with liberals when it comes to paying taxes and keeping Church and State separate.

(4) Paying taxes: Right-wingers keep whining about taxes and saying that paying our national debt and having a social safety net is like slavery. When they don’t get their way, they shut down the government, or threaten to secede from the US. But when it comes to taxes, Jesus Christ is more like a liberal. He said we should pay our taxes even when we don’t agree with what they’re used for. “Then saith he unto them, ‘Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.’” [Matthew 22:21 KJV]

(5) Separation of Church and State: The Christian Right keeps trying to force their beliefs into our legal system, and to fund their churches and schools with taxpayers’ dollars. Like modern folks in the USA, Jesus Christ lived in a huge empire with diverse religions and ethnic groups. Many of Rome’s laws and customs were against his people’s customs and beliefs. But – like most liberals – Jesus Christ clearly believed that Church and State should be separate, as shown in the above quote.

“And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.”
– Jesus Christ’s views on income inequality and capitalism were very similar to those of liberals.

(6) Income inequality: Have any of you liberals out there wondered what Jesus Christ would have thought about today’s rampant income inequality? Right-wing Christians love to ignore the fact that Jesus made his views about the one percent abundantly clear:  “And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.”[Matthew 19:24 KJV]

(7) Capitalism: Right-wingers are ever in search of ways to promote and justify the unfettered capitalism Pope Francis rails against. But they won’t find any help from their Savior, Jesus Christ. He loathes capitalism, even more than most of today’s liberals here in the US. Pretty much the only time we ever see Jesus lose his temper is when he returns to Jerusalem with his disciples and finds the Temple full of bankers and vendors. He doesn’t just yell at them, he destroys their booths and drives them out with a whip that he makes on the fly. One can only imagine how Jesus would feel about Black Friday.

“And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.”  [John 2:14-16 KJV]

“But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?”
– Jesus Christ believed we should help each other, as liberals do today.

(8) Welfare and the social safety net: The Christian Right keeps ranting about how raising taxes to pay for programs that help the poor is somehow like forcing us into slavery. But Jesus Christ’s views on feeding, clothing, and helping people in need was more in line with how liberals think. Jesus flat-out told his followers that when they help people in need, He sees that as directly serving Him:

“Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.” [Matthew 25:34-36 KJV]

(9) Healthcare: The right-wing Christians who oppose evil, “liberal” Obamacare have failed to notice something that seems crazy-obvious to the rest of us. Their Savior, Jesus Christ, was always out and about doling out free healthcare — the horror! — to his fellow human beings. The New Testamentabounds with stories of Jesus healing blind people, lepers, crippled people, paralytics, a bleeding woman, a young girl in a coma, and pretty much anyone who asked (or had someone ask for them). His disciple, Matthew, wrote: “Then Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.”

(10) Social justice: Unlike the right-wing Christians who pay only lip service to Him, Jesus Christ was a strong advocate for social justice. Martin Luther King Jr. and other much-loved liberal icons were inspired by His life and teachings. Jesus not only demands that the rich share with the less fortunate, but insists that if they don’t, they are heartless. “But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?” [1 John 3:17 KJV] Take THAT, Koch brothers.

“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
– Like today’s liberals, Jesus Christ rejected the double standard for women and preached tolerance.

(11) The War on Women: Jesus Christ lived in a highly patriarchal society, but rose above the customs of his time. Like today’s liberals (and unlike today’s right-wing Christians), Jesus clearlyvalued women and treated them as equals. His parables abound with women who serve as role models to follow. At least four women — his mother, Mary Madgelene, and the sisters Mary and Martha — were in his inner circle. This may explain why women played a big role in the early days of the Christian church, and may have even served as leaders. Nor did Jesus respect the double standard that holds men and women to different rules. When a crowd gathered to stone a women to death for the “crime” of adultery, Jesus stopped them, demanding: “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” [John 8:7 KJV]

(12) Abortion: Unlike the Christian Right, which won’t shut up about a fetus’ “right to life,” Jesus Christ never talks about abortion. But in the tale of the bleeding woman (Luke 8:43-48 KJV), Jesus clearly rejects irrational taboos and religious rules against women. While walking through a crowd, a woman who had been bleeding for 12 years, touched the hem of Jesus’ garment and it healed her. She then cringed away in fear (the “issue of blood” seems to have been coming from down there, which meant that touching a man would give him “unclean” woman cooties). Instead of casting her away, Jesus did the liberal thing and said, “Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.” It’s too bad the “Christian” folks who run this country — and some hospitals — think their weird religious rules are more important than a woman’s health.

(13) Marriage equality: Strange, but even though our right-wing Christian friends are all in a lather over gays getting married and LGBT folks’ having the nerve to simply exist, Jesus Christ never uttered a single word about gays and other non-gender conforming people. He was too busy spreading his love, healing, loaves and fishes, and miracle wine around to bother with hating … kind of like one of those liberal hippies from the 1960′s.

“Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.”
Like many liberals, Jesus Christ preferred peace to war.

(12) War:  During his famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus Christ said, “Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.” [Matthew 5:9 KJV] This event took place shortly after Jesus Christ was baptized by John the Baptist, and is considered to be central to his teachings. The Sermon on the Mount was radical because of its ideals of peace, love for one’s neighbor, love of God, and striving for purity of heart. Liberals share most of these ideals, even if they don’t believe in the same god (or goddess) … or any god(dess) at all.

(13) The death penalty: The right-wing is all-out for the death penalty, all while they screech about being “pro-life” and rolling back a woman’s right to choose. But, like most liberals, Jesus Christ clearly did not believe humans had the right to take life from one another. “There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?” [James 4:12 KJV]

(14) Crime and punishment: Conservatives don’t just love the death penalty, they love meting out harsh punishments for even the least of crimes (unless you’re a Wall Street Banker). Our useless “war on drugs” — and large private prisons industry — explains why the US has the highest rate of people living behind bars in the world.  Most liberals object to this, and so would Jesus Christ, who said, “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.” [Matthew 7:1-2 KJV]

 (15) On race: Although Jesus Christ lived in the remote region of Galilee for most of his life, He was born in Bethlehem and had traveled to Egypt and Jerusalem as a boy. He was probably more well-traveled than many people of his time, and had come across people of many cultures, colors, and nations. Jesus clearly shows that he sees no person as above another one when he said, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.” [John 13:16 KJV] Also, he was known to consort with all sorts of people who would have seemed scandalous to proper Jews of his time, including women, lepers, Roman tax collectors, his motley crew of fishermen-turned-apostles, and even — gasp — Mary Magdalene, who had a bad (and likely untrue) rep as a loose woman. It is unlikely that Jesus would have thought one race or skin color to be better than another.

NOTE: It is doubtful that Jesus Christ even would have been what we now call “white.” The Bible does not describe how He looked (other than things like “shining” and “radiant”). But, since Jesus and His family came from the Middle East, He is likely to have looked like today’s people from that region: Olive-skinned, dark-haired, and dark-eyed.

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by Ruby Member on Dec. 9, 2013 at 3:55 PM
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September 13, 2004

Was Jesus a liberal?


By Selwyn Duke

Abraham Lincoln once said, "I know that God is always on the side of right; my concern is not whether God is on our side but whether or not we are on God's side." Most who believe in God — and even many of those who see Him as being just a symbol — like to think that they are marching hand in hand with Him when promoting that for which they have passion. But Lincoln's point is well taken, for I have noticed that this group of people can be divided into two sub-groups: those who want to be on God's side, and those who want God on theirs.

This is brought to mind when I hear the not too uncommon and very contemporary claim that Jesus was a "liberal," a claim that has been made quite recently in a book written by a very mediocre social commentator of questionable faith. Of course, most of the people who embrace this idea don't really believe that Jesus is divine. But since others do, they know that convincing Jesus to register as a Democrat or join the ACLU could possibly bring them a whole new constituency.

C.S. Lewis, the great fantasy writer, philosopher and Christian apologist, once wrote a very interesting book titled "The Screwtape Letters." This work is quite unique in that it is written from the point of view of a demon [which, incidentally, gives it something in common with the book I mentioned above — wink] named Screwtape, who counsels an underling named Wormwood on how to best undermine human civilization. Among his many Machiavellian prescriptions is the following [I'm paraphrasing]: man must be convinced to attach worldly labels to Jesus. People can call him the "first communist" or the "first liberal" or the first this or that — anything at all, as long as they don't think about Him first and foremost as being God.

It's great advice if you aim to destroy people's faith and tear down the walls of Christendom. After all, when you define Jesus as anything other than God you have diminished Him. Simply put, a person who thinks of Him as something other than God isn't thinking of Him as God. Jesus said "I am the Alpha and the Omega" [the first and the last]. This tells us that He transcends time and that He is eternal, and then it certainly follows that he transcends an ideology or philosophy. He also said "I am the Way, the TRUTH and the Life," and as the Truth He gives us the template that we should use to shape our ideology; we should not use our ideology as the template and endeavor to fit the Lord into it. God puts us in boxes based on what He allows us to do and what roles He ordains for us. It is not our place to put Him in a box.

Interestingly, I have never heard conservatives proclaim Jesus to be a "conservative." Of course, liberals would counter that this is because Jesus didn't seem to advocate principles that we now regard as conservative. But I beg to differ. The real reason is twofold: firstly and sadly, the media and popular culture usually present us with what could be called "Jesus light," but in reality is not Jesus at all. Rather, he is an imposter who is the embodiment of a secular/liberal agenda and filtered Gospels. Secondly and most significantly, conservatives are much more likely to actually believe that Christ is God. Consequently, they quite naturally don't think of Him as anything else.

What this brings to light is the fact that people who seek to box and package Jesus betray their own lack of faith. And this group of people can also be divided into two sub-groups: political operators and social activists of various stripes who seek to use Jesus for propaganda purposes, and those who quite innocently think of Jesus as something other than God because their faith in Him is non-existent or lacking. Of course, the latter group comprises a very large number of people, most of whom are just good everyday folks. However, since many of them would make no bones about the fact that they don't believe in Jesus' divinity and therefore do regard Him to be merely a worldly figure, they are very susceptible to specious arguments designed to box Him in a way that accords with the spirit of the age. So, let's investigate the issue.

I want to preface my remarks by saying that I, as should be obvious, would not attempt to name Jesus after an ideology or philosophy that I might consider to be my baby. I would be far more likely to name the baby after Him. I often rally under the banner of conservatism, but only because I believe that what we now call conservatism is the mainstream ideology that most closely reflects Christian values. Moreover, I would only embrace an ideology insofar as it was congruent with God's will as it relates to governance, and that ideology makes an opponent of me when it opposes His will. I want to be on God's side — I know I can't, nor would I seek to get Him on mine.

Liberals will sometimes buttress their argument that Jesus is one of them by labeling conservatives as being the modern day version of those who conspired against Jesus: the Pharisees. The Pharisees were a group of Jewish religious leaders who believed in strict adherence to Judaic law. Jesus chastised them for being hypocrites and for acting only on the letter of the law while completely ignoring its spirit. For, these leaders would faithfully perform their rituals, make a great show of their religiosity and admonish others to exhibit a formulaic devotion to the faith, while at the same time deviating from it when it was convenient for them to do so.

Liberals' contention that conservatives are the inheritors of this group's modus operandi seems to be based on the notion that conservatives share their lack of compassion, their hypocrisy and "do as I say but not as I do" approach. However, I think this begs the question: what group in our time seems to be enamored of the practice of rule-making and rule-breaking? In reality, it is the liberals who propose a rule in the form of a law as a solution to every perceived problem. And like the Pharisees, they will violate their own rules when it pleases them. Why, these are the people who tell us that there are no absolutes, ergo all standards are negotiable. This belief is what enables them to tell us with a straight face that judges can interpret our Constitution to suit the times because it is a "living document."

Liberals' contempt for standards is a corollary of the moral-relativism that is so often espoused by them, and relativism is completely antithetical to what Christ propounded. After all, Jesus did emphasize the spirit of the law, but He never said that this spirit was negotiable. If it were, Jesus wouldn't have ridiculed the Pharisees, but rather would have said, "This is the spirit that I live by, but hey, whatever works for you." No, Jesus was speaking of something real and specific, something immutable and eternal when He spoke of the spirit. It's the unchanging spirit of the real thing called the LAW, not the mercurial spirit of a different real thing called an individual's emotional realm. Also, as I pointed out before, Christ said "I am the Way, [and] THE Truth . . . "; He didn't say A Truth. Contrast this with the oft-uttered liberal sentiments, "That is your truth, someone else's might be different," "Truth is relative" and "What is Truth?" By the way, do you know who else posed the last question? The Roman Governor Pontius Pilate did — right before he condemned Jesus to death.

And what of the nature of Jesus' teachings? Well, liberals like to point out that Jesus preached love, charity, compassion and forgiveness, implying that their ideology has a monopoly on those qualities. It's as if they believe that conservatives are opposed to these virtues. But, correct me if I'm wrong, I never heard a conservative say that love is a bad thing. "Yeah, we really need less love in this world." In reality, conservatives only differ on what they believe love dictates — on what they believe constitutes genuine love.

For instance, they tend to recognize that true love means giving your fellow man what he needs, not necessarily what he wants. Conservatives also believe in charity, only, we know that it doesn't mean giving a person the shirt off someone else's back. We know that anyone with a good heart has compassion, but we don't believe that telling someone who's hurtling down a road toward Perdition that he should stay the course if he enjoys the scenery qualifies as such. And we cherish forgiveness as much as anyone, but we know that it doesn't obviate worldly punishment. If it did, we'd have to empty out the prisons. In fact, I suspect that forgiveness must be characteristic of conservatives. How else could they tolerate liberals?

Now, from the general to the specific: let's investigate this further by examining a few elements of Scripture. Two Bible quotations that have found favor with liberals are "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and "Do not judge lest you be judged." Both of these statements are often used by liberals to discourage people from rendering value judgments they find unpalatable. Now, Jesus said the former when he happened upon an angry mob that was about to administer to a woman the prescribed punishment for adultery: stoning. But what is seldom mentioned is that after deterring the would be executioners from visiting that horrible fate on the victim, Jesus said, "Go in peace, woman, and sin no more." This tells us very clearly that judgment comes into play, because labeling something as a sin is a judgment. The latter quotation is a prohibition against judging hypocritically and unjustly. This is why elsewhere in the New Testament we are counseled to "Judge righteously."

Another favorite of liberals is "Turn the other cheek," which is often used to discredit the idea of just war and is misunderstood to be an endorsement of pacifism. What this dictate actually refers to is that we shouldn't act out of a spirit of vindictiveness. In other words, use proportionate force to thwart evil if and when necessary, but proceed out of a sense of justice and a desire to protect the innocent and preserve the good — don't do it to simply get even.

Another mistake that liberals make is that they read these stories and quotations, notice that Jesus prescribed leniency and then assume He is one of them because they do the same. What eludes them is context; they lack perspective because they only view things through the prism of our age. In the times in which Jesus walked this Earth draconian punishments were the order of the day. He prescribed leniency because man was too harsh, but in an age characterized by permissiveness He would do just the opposite. This is because since Jesus is Truth, He is the true center. So when society veers too far off the mark in any direction He beckons us to come back into the light. To use today's political terminology [which didn't exist in Biblical times], when we gravitate too far toward the right He is to the left of us and asks us to move left; when society veers too far left He is to the right of us and asks us to move right.

Of course, since most liberals don't believe that Absolute Truth exists, they don't believe that there could be such a true center. They might say that Jesus is just a "wise man." But even then, since different ages are characterized by different moral failings — different characteristic spiritual diseases, if you will — would a sage prescribe the same cures in every age?

Lastly, I don't know of any conservative who has proposed a "Stoning for Adultery Act." No, we all know that the kinds of punishments that were administered in the days of yore were to be casualties of Jesus' perfection of the law, and rightfully so. The difference is that conservatives understand that Jesus probably wouldn't support a system that bestows upon convicts the right to sue the government because they got creamy peanut butter instead of crunchy, or to have a sex-change operation at taxpayers' expense.

Then there's the issue that dovetails with this, which is that liberals sometimes consider Jesus to be one of their kindred spirits because they labor under the illusion that He always sought to move people's hearts in what we now call the liberal direction. In reality, nothing could be further from the truth.

For example, consider the issue of human sexuality. More than most anything else, liberals are characterized by their very libertine sexual mores, and they constantly endeavor to widen the parameters that govern sexuality. This lies in stark contrast to what Jesus said, for every solitary word that He uttered about sexuality served to narrow the parameters governing it. It is a fact: Jesus did absolutely nothing to inure people to sexual behaviors that were considered to be untoward. And this lies in stark contrast to the behavior of liberals, who now have even gone so far as to advocate the governmental sanction of homosexual unions.

Of course, liberals are often quick to point out that while homosexual behavior is condemned in the Old Testament, Jesus had nary a word to say about it. However, Jesus never meant for the default standard to be that Old Testament moral law would be considered to be null and void unless He said otherwise. Rather, He meant for us to assume that such law was completely valid and that we were enjoined to abide by it unless He said otherwise. This is why Jesus said, "I have not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it." And as I just said, not only did Jesus not rescind such prohibitions, He actually expanded them. For one thing, He said that a man could only have one wife and that you could not get a divorce, unless your spouse had committed adultery. He said, "A man who divorces his wife makes an adulterer out of her."

And then there is what should be the stake through the heart of the liberals' argument — the thing that Jesus said that could not be outdone even by a Puritan straight from 1650's Massachusetts. To whit: not only did Jesus tell us that we had to be chaste in deed and word, but also in thought — He told us that even entertaining lustful ideas was wrong. He said, "You have heard the Commandment, 'you shall not commit adultery.' But what I say to you is: anyone who looks lustfully at a woman has already committed adultery with her in his thoughts." Any questions?

The desire to justify one's behavior and passions is human nature, and there are many groups that try to press God into service for their cause. Some of these people are convinced that God wants them to destroy the western world, while others simply believe that God wants them to destroy the values that created that western world. Many of these people reduce God to just a vehicle through which they can promote their agenda, and religion to just a game that "enlightened" folks like themselves can compete in for control of the masses. As for the sincere among us, we would do well to ask ourselves a question: would I want to be on God's side, or, would I want Him on mine? T'is a point to ponder.

© Selwyn Duke
SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Dec. 9, 2013 at 3:57 PM
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Liberals claim that “Jesus was a liberal because he fed the poor and gave out free health care.” Jesus was actually not a modern leftist “liberal,” he was a “classical liberal,” or what we might today call a “Libertarian.” He forgave the sinners, whipped the money-changers (bank$ster$), and excoriated the lawyers, politicians and religious establishment. Something we ought to do more of, in consideration of the dereliction of duty and corruption so rampant in our current system.

But the meat of what made Jesus a Libertarian, and not a “liberal,” was that he and his volunteer staff fed the poor out of their own pockets, and he rendered the “free health care” by their own hands. He didn’t erect massive debt-and-tax-fed government bureaucracies, to saddle the people with government controls, regulations, taxations, coersions, fines, penalties and punishments. He didn’t “erect a multitude of new offices and send a swarm of bureacrats to harrass our people and eat out our substance.”

That is the essential difference between modern “liberals” and Free People: The leftists use theft-by-taxation, and government power to force others to do their will — Free People organize on their own and do things voluntarily. Let us indeed follow Jesus’ example.

GREG POST
Cameron Park

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Dec. 9, 2013 at 3:59 PM
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Jesus was not a liberal

JACKSONVILLE — Sunday's newspaper ran a letter to the editor from the "Maydelle theologian" who stated "Jesus was a liberal" because he healed the sick, fed the masses, etc.  I've heard this rather shallow argument from liberals before.  He's making an error that many before him (including the disciples themselves) have made.  That is in trying to turn Jesus into a political figure.  The message and mission of Christ transcend any political idealology.  He came to rule our hearts, not our governments.  Forced or coerced re-distribution of wealth for social services, as espoused by liberal/progressive/socialist/communist doctrine, violates the free will relationship between God and mankind and ultimately falls short of goals and is corrupted.  Interestingly, free healthcare and education, the clothing and feeding of the poor, and other so called liberal agendas, were first initiated by the legacy and body of Christ, which is the church.  This was done WITHOUT government assistance or interference.  Also recent studies have proven what many have known for years, which is that self proclaimed conservatives give far more to charity than liberals.


- See more at: http://www.jacksonvilleprogress.com/letters/x108199423/Jesus-was-not-a-liberal#sthash.WK9HaY4d.dpuf

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Dec. 9, 2013 at 4:03 PM
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Jesus not a liberal Democrat

Posted: March 29, 2013 2:00 a.m.
Updated: March 29, 2013 2:00 a.m.


Kevin Buck believes “Jesus would be a liberal Democrat”.

He said a kind Jesus would only want the best for everyone and of course Buck then sinks to telling that Jesus would be nothing like the wicked Republicans who support owning semiautomatic weapons, killing people, neglecting the needy among us and favoring violence in general.

Buck’s words are near blasphemy in politicizing Jesus and they are definitely anti-Semitic.

Evidence proves Jesus couldn’t possibly be a liberal or a Democrat.

Jesus was free of sin yet gave His life in a torturous way taking responsibility for the sins of all mankind born then and into infinity. Liberals and many Democrats never take responsibility for their own misdeeds let alone anyone else’s.

A peaceful Jesus would not use drones to target and kill His fellow man.

Buck says “Jesus would be in favor of programs that help the poor, the homeless and children of all races and nationalities”. Republicans support that and more. They support social services as a safety net to build a better life with an aim to release people from the bondage of generational welfare so they may better themselves and gain the pride and self esteem that comes from accomplishments. In fact conservatives far outdo liberals in charitable donations. Conservatives actually walk the walk.

Jesus cannot be a liberal Democrat because he would not spend His life suing over taking the word “God” off of every building, every piece of land, every form of signage, off all currency and out of every classroom. Nor would He ban all crosses.

I don’t know what Bible Kevin Buck gets his information from, but just hope that version doesn’t come to a store near you.


PrimmednPunked
by Silver Member on Dec. 9, 2013 at 4:06 PM

OK so you posted opinion pieces to refute mine Sally.  Congrats you can use google!  Care to formulate your own opinion based on what this article has to say?

cfcf
by Member on Dec. 9, 2013 at 4:20 PM
Jesus was more concerned with the Kingdom of God. I doubt he would have voted at all.
PrimmednPunked
by Silver Member on Dec. 9, 2013 at 4:31 PM
He was vocal about earthly kingdoms too. He knew to get to the kingdom of heaven one must first transverse the kingdoms set by man.

Quoting cfcf: Jesus was more concerned with the Kingdom of God. I doubt he would have voted at all.
SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Dec. 9, 2013 at 4:59 PM
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Already did. I'd be repeating myself.

There are a number of different responses to deal with the reasons given in your own OP:

1) Does Jesus fit into one set of politics?

2) How to address the arguments made that these particular beliefs are liberal?

3) What liberal beliefs are counterintuitive to the claims Jesus was a liberal?

4) What about the intrinsic things about Jesus that liberals don't like: Chiefly, he claimed to be God. What do liberals think about that? Would Jesus agree with a political view that for the most part denies he is God and would favor not letting him talk about who he is?

5) Would Jesus agree wih a political view that advocates murdering the unborn?

6) What do those Scriptures you stated REALLY mean? Are they misstated?

7) Which ideology seems to be more consistent with biblical values?

8) Which ideological group consistently gives to the poor more frequently?

9) Which group does their charity without extorting from taxpayers or governmental intervention?

10) Which group claims not to be religions - but wants to interpret Scripture and Christian teaching for those of us who are? Are those really the people I should pay attention to? Seems manipulative for some who ridicule the faith of others, to then say, "You aren't Christian enough, you need to be a liberal like me." (Your OP, not you.)

You posted the OP because it represents your beliefs.

I posted the four pieces because they represent mine. And they were all written up so nicely.

Your OP looked lonely; just thought I'd help you get it going. Thought you would appreciate it, rather than pummel me for it.  :(

Wouldn't a libertarian want me to practice my freedom of speech and of religion as I choose - even if I make different choices than they would? Isn't that the basis of individual liberty?


Quoting PrimmednPunked:

OK so you posted opinion pieces to refute mine Sally.  Congrats you can use google!  Care to formulate your own opinion based on what this article has to say?


Pema_Jampa
by Celeste on Dec. 9, 2013 at 5:33 PM
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Jesus would not label himself. Nor does it matter. We will never know.

jobseeker
by Bronze Member on Dec. 9, 2013 at 5:35 PM
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Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ (meaning annointed one), the Savior, the Redeemer.  

He is the way, the truth and the life, the lamb of God, the 2nd person of the trinity. 

Jesus is the light of the world, GOD made flesh, the king of the Jews.  

These are the things I believe about Jesus, because I have read and studied about him as a person, and as the founder of my church.  YOU don't have to believe these things, I said I believe them.  But no where in my biblical studies, or my Christological readings have I EVER read that he was :

Republican or Democrat

Liberal or Conservative

or

left wing or right wing


These are terms that we observe in our society today, and do not apply to his teachings.

Would he be conservative because he would not approve of abortion?  

Would he be liberal because he compels us to care for the widows and orphans among us?

The teachings of Jesus go far beyond political parties or politics of left or right wing.  Your post is the epitome of ignorance---  

But then, you are an athiest, correct?

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