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Tulsa man charged with hate crime after assaulting woman he thought was a Muslim

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Tulsa man charged with hate crime after assaulting woman he thought was a Muslim


Friday, January 3, 2014 21:06 EST
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A Tulsa, Oklahoma man is in jail after allegedly assaulting a woman he believed to be Muslim.

According to police reports, the woman — who is Lebanese and was wearing a headscarf — pulled into Bill and Ruth’s Deli. When she exited her vehicle, Stuart Manning began to berate her for having parked too close to his Jeep.

“Hey, you f***ing b***h Muslim, why did you get so close to my car?” he reportedly said. She claims he followed her to the door of the restaurant yelling, “Muslim b***h!” As she entered the store, she says she observed Manning crouching by her car.

When she exited the store, Manning was removing a knife from one of her tires. According to a bank security guard who witnessed the incident, when she asked him, “Why did you do that?” he responded by striking her in the face with a closed fist. As he punched her, she grabbed his glasses.

The security guard wrote down Manning’s license plate number, and police captured him shortly thereafter. When asked if the glasses the victim had handed over to investigators were his, he replied that they were, but that he had no idea how he had lost them.

When police recounted his victim’s story to him, he claimed he had “a drinking relapse and did not remember the incident” for which he has been charged with assault and battery, malicious injury to property, and malicious intimidation, the last of which is a hate crime.

by on Jan. 3, 2014 at 10:21 PM
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Momniscient
by on Jan. 5, 2014 at 5:55 PM

You are screaming about being charged with hate crimes. You obviously have NO idea what you're screaming about. Crimes committed when two 'races' are involved are not automatic hate crime.

But you'd know that if your head wasn't up your ass and you actually knew how to think instead of just spew 'far left'

You need to pull up every single instance of prosecution in this knockout game you speak of and analyze every one to see if they fit the criteria for expanded sentencing in a hate crime.

I doubt you will because those on the far right can only rely on what someone else has told them or wrote so they can find it to show their conclusion is 'right' but that's cool. I never thought you were anything but... well... ignorant. I would imagine you aren't truly dumb, but you are weak minded.


And no... not everyone needs to be dealt the same justice. Hate crime legislation exists for that reason. But I'm sure you know that since your so well informed and all that.



Quoting SallyMJ:

Sorry, dear, proved you wrong. I know that's hard to hear for those on the Left.

Read the OP again, look at the numbers again, and think about statistics: Blacks are over-represented in the crime data, at 10 percentage points higher. Whites are underrepresented in the data, at about 7 percentage points lower than their population would suggest. This means that blacks committed hate crimes about 70% more than you would have thought, and that whites committed hate crimes about 10% less than you would expect. Those are significant numbers.

And the article said there was a black-on-white murder and a rape, but no white-on-black murders or rapes.  That is significant too.

Hey - I'm not a math major either, but even we non-math majors can do this kind of high school type calculations.

So back to my earlier point, which you seem to have misunderstood - As of yesterday, there was ONE, one guy who's black, finally was charged with a hate crime in the Knock-Out game.  None of the others who were charged with assault were charged with a hate crime - just this one, only AFTER a white assailant was similarly charged.

And as we all know, these "Knock-Out" assaults are carried out about 95% the time by black assailants on white people. So if this holds, more of these black assailants will be charged with hate crimes. Just as they should if they are white - Everyone needs to be dealt the same justice.

I know you at least agree with that.

Quoting Momniscient: Lol
Thanks for proving me right.

Try again.
This time, use your own brain instead of googling something you've already concluded.
I know you won't, but it's good for a laugh.


Quoting SallyMJ:

Sure - Just a TINY bit off.

African-Americans Commit Disproportionate Share of Hate Crimes


Whites are 63 percent of the population, but commit 56 percent of the hate crimes.

Blacks are 13 percent of the population but commit 23 percent of the hate crimes.

Furthermore since the FBI statistics don’t appear to separately categorize Latinos, it’s likely that the “white” statistics actually includes Latinos. This is an ongoing problem with theFBI sometimes classifying Latinos by victim category, but not by perp category.

More significantly, when it comes to violent crimes, anti-white hate crimes tend to be more violent than anti-black hate crimes.

For example, the FBI lists an anti-white murder in 2012, but no anti-black murder. An anti-white rape, but no anti-black rapes.

The vast majority of anti-black hate crimes were classified as intimidation (635) and vandalism (674) with larger spikes in various forms of assault. It may be that anti-white hate crimes are unlikely to be classified and recorded unless they are particularly violent.


Quoting Momniscient: Because all kinds get charged with hate crime. It is no races fault if whites commit a disproportionate amount of crime prosecuted as a hate crime.

I also don't believe you even have a clue as to what the burdens are in proving hate crime or how that prosecution works and I certainly understand that you froth at the mouth to 'prove' that white people are oppressed somehow.

I'm sure you 'think' I'm uninformed. I'm not bothered cause I don't think you are a Deep thinker at all. Just a bitter reactionary.

Any other questions?
Quoting SallyMJ:

And how is that, oh smart one?

I believe you are the uninformed one.

Quoting Momniscient: Lol.



I'm suggesting you're not a very informed person.




Quoting SallyMJ:

So you believe blacks SHOULD commit hate crimes against whites?

I thought you are a compassionate liberal who loves peace.

How do you expect the American people to want to punish hate crimes against Muslims, when you eyeroll hate crimes against whites?

Do you not believe in equal protection under the law? 


Quoting Momniscient: Eye roll









Quoting SallyMJ:

This is a despicable crime.

On the same note, are the blacks who assaulted white people in the "Knock-Out Game" going to be charged with hate crimes for assaulting people they KNEW were white?

Don't hold your breath. At this point, only a white guy assaulting a black man in this way has been charged with a hate crime.

Hate crimes seem to mostly apply only to white people assaulting black people, but not black people assaulting white people. Why? I thought people are supposed to receive equal protection under the law - the 14th Amendment. This is crazy. 







SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Jan. 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Not screaming. You were implying it didn't matter if assailants of white people weren't charged with hate crimes that got assailants of black people hate crime charges. I called you out, because I think that's despicable.

Conservatives and libertarians have been following these crime, and pointing out the definite race factor involved. But your lib/prog "news" didn't think it was "newsworthy" to mention the race - perhaps mentioning black young people were attacking white people would make them sound racist?  Even though those are the facts that will help police catch those criminals.

So if you really do care about crime VICTIMS, tell the whole truth about crime - not ignoring crime that blacks commit against white people. Otherwise, that makes you a racist just as bad as the KKK who saw crimes happen and did nothing.

Quoting Momniscient:

You are screaming about being charged with hate crimes. You obviously have NO idea what you're screaming about. Crimes committed when two 'races' are involved are not automatic hate crime.

But you'd know that if your head wasn't up your ass and you actually knew how to think instead of just spew 'far left'

You need to pull up every single instance of prosecution in this knockout game you speak of and analyze every one to see if they fit the criteria for expanded sentencing in a hate crime.

I doubt you will because those on the far right can only rely on what someone else has told them or wrote so they can find it to show their conclusion is 'right' but that's cool. I never thought you were anything but... well... ignorant. I would imagine you aren't truly dumb, but you are weak minded.


And no... not everyone needs to be dealt the same justice. Hate crime legislation exists for that reason. But I'm sure you know that since your so well informed and all that.



Quoting SallyMJ:

Sorry, dear, proved you wrong. I know that's hard to hear for those on the Left.

Read the OP again, look at the numbers again, and think about statistics: Blacks are over-represented in the crime data, at 10 percentage points higher. Whites are underrepresented in the data, at about 7 percentage points lower than their population would suggest. This means that blacks committed hate crimes about 70% more than you would have thought, and that whites committed hate crimes about 10% less than you would expect. Those are significant numbers.

And the article said there was a black-on-white murder and a rape, but no white-on-black murders or rapes.  That is significant too.

Hey - I'm not a math major either, but even we non-math majors can do this kind of high school type calculations.

So back to my earlier point, which you seem to have misunderstood - As of yesterday, there was ONE, one guy who's black, finally was charged with a hate crime in the Knock-Out game.  None of the others who were charged with assault were charged with a hate crime - just this one, only AFTER a white assailant was similarly charged.

And as we all know, these "Knock-Out" assaults are carried out about 95% the time by black assailants on white people. So if this holds, more of these black assailants will be charged with hate crimes. Just as they should if they are white - Everyone needs to be dealt the same justice.

I know you at least agree with that.

Quoting Momniscient: Lol
Thanks for proving me right.

Try again.
This time, use your own brain instead of googling something you've already concluded.
I know you won't, but it's good for a laugh.


Quoting SallyMJ:

Sure - Just a TINY bit off.

African-Americans Commit Disproportionate Share of Hate Crimes


Whites are 63 percent of the population, but commit 56 percent of the hate crimes.

Blacks are 13 percent of the population but commit 23 percent of the hate crimes.

Furthermore since the FBI statistics don’t appear to separately categorize Latinos, it’s likely that the “white” statistics actually includes Latinos. This is an ongoing problem with theFBI sometimes classifying Latinos by victim category, but not by perp category.

More significantly, when it comes to violent crimes, anti-white hate crimes tend to be more violent than anti-black hate crimes.

For example, the FBI lists an anti-white murder in 2012, but no anti-black murder. An anti-white rape, but no anti-black rapes.

The vast majority of anti-black hate crimes were classified as intimidation (635) and vandalism (674) with larger spikes in various forms of assault. It may be that anti-white hate crimes are unlikely to be classified and recorded unless they are particularly violent.


Quoting Momniscient: Because all kinds get charged with hate crime. It is no races fault if whites commit a disproportionate amount of crime prosecuted as a hate crime.

I also don't believe you even have a clue as to what the burdens are in proving hate crime or how that prosecution works and I certainly understand that you froth at the mouth to 'prove' that white people are oppressed somehow.

I'm sure you 'think' I'm uninformed. I'm not bothered cause I don't think you are a Deep thinker at all. Just a bitter reactionary.

Any other questions?
Quoting SallyMJ:

And how is that, oh smart one?

I believe you are the uninformed one.

Quoting Momniscient: Lol.



I'm suggesting you're not a very informed person.




Quoting SallyMJ:

So you believe blacks SHOULD commit hate crimes against whites?

I thought you are a compassionate liberal who loves peace.

How do you expect the American people to want to punish hate crimes against Muslims, when you eyeroll hate crimes against whites?

Do you not believe in equal protection under the law? 


Quoting Momniscient: Eye roll









Quoting SallyMJ:

This is a despicable crime.

On the same note, are the blacks who assaulted white people in the "Knock-Out Game" going to be charged with hate crimes for assaulting people they KNEW were white?

Don't hold your breath. At this point, only a white guy assaulting a black man in this way has been charged with a hate crime.

Hate crimes seem to mostly apply only to white people assaulting black people, but not black people assaulting white people. Why? I thought people are supposed to receive equal protection under the law - the 14th Amendment. This is crazy. 







Momniscient
by on Jan. 5, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Try again.

You have no idea in any way what you are on about. You're just talking out yer ass using a script someone else gave you.

If you want to discuss race and hate crime legislation and prosecution there is a very very valid discussion to be had about prevalence and demographics. That isn't what you are trying to do though.

You just want the focus to be on black people.And not just the focus but the negative focus. SO that being said: pull up the info on these knockout crimes and PROVE your opinion. I dare ya. Prove that black people aren't being charged with hate crime when the criteria justifies it being a hate crime. And then go ahead and compare that to why a white person IS being charged with a hate crime.

Oddly enough the SCOTUS decision setting precedent and upholding constitutionality of hate crime legislation involved a black perp and a white victim. But... I'm sure you knew that.

Only no I'm not. Because the Blaze didn't tell you that.

Black young people attacking white young people does not automatically constitute a hate crime. And vice versa.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Not screaming. You were implying it didn't matter if assailants of white people weren't charged with hate crimes that got assailants of black people hate crime charges. I called you out, because I think that's despicable.

Conservatives and libertarians have been following these crime, and pointing out the definite race factor involved. But your lib/prog "news" didn't think it was "newsworthy" to mention the race - perhaps mentioning black young people were attacking white people would make them sound racist?  Even though those are the facts that will help police catch those criminals.

So if you really do care about crime VICTIMS, tell the whole truth about crime - not ignoring crime that blacks commit against white people. Otherwise, that makes you a racist just as bad as the KKK who saw crimes happen and did nothing.

Quoting Momniscient:

You are screaming about being charged with hate crimes. You obviously have NO idea what you're screaming about. Crimes committed when two 'races' are involved are not automatic hate crime.

But you'd know that if your head wasn't up your ass and you actually knew how to think instead of just spew 'far left'

You need to pull up every single instance of prosecution in this knockout game you speak of and analyze every one to see if they fit the criteria for expanded sentencing in a hate crime.

I doubt you will because those on the far right can only rely on what someone else has told them or wrote so they can find it to show their conclusion is 'right' but that's cool. I never thought you were anything but... well... ignorant. I would imagine you aren't truly dumb, but you are weak minded.


And no... not everyone needs to be dealt the same justice. Hate crime legislation exists for that reason. But I'm sure you know that since your so well informed and all that.



Quoting SallyMJ:

Sorry, dear, proved you wrong. I know that's hard to hear for those on the Left.

Read the OP again, look at the numbers again, and think about statistics: Blacks are over-represented in the crime data, at 10 percentage points higher. Whites are underrepresented in the data, at about 7 percentage points lower than their population would suggest. This means that blacks committed hate crimes about 70% more than you would have thought, and that whites committed hate crimes about 10% less than you would expect. Those are significant numbers.

And the article said there was a black-on-white murder and a rape, but no white-on-black murders or rapes.  That is significant too.

Hey - I'm not a math major either, but even we non-math majors can do this kind of high school type calculations.

So back to my earlier point, which you seem to have misunderstood - As of yesterday, there was ONE, one guy who's black, finally was charged with a hate crime in the Knock-Out game.  None of the others who were charged with assault were charged with a hate crime - just this one, only AFTER a white assailant was similarly charged.

And as we all know, these "Knock-Out" assaults are carried out about 95% the time by black assailants on white people. So if this holds, more of these black assailants will be charged with hate crimes. Just as they should if they are white - Everyone needs to be dealt the same justice.

I know you at least agree with that.

Quoting Momniscient: Lol
Thanks for proving me right.

Try again.
This time, use your own brain instead of googling something you've already concluded.
I know you won't, but it's good for a laugh.


Quoting SallyMJ:

Sure - Just a TINY bit off.

African-Americans Commit Disproportionate Share of Hate Crimes


Whites are 63 percent of the population, but commit 56 percent of the hate crimes.

Blacks are 13 percent of the population but commit 23 percent of the hate crimes.

Furthermore since the FBI statistics don’t appear to separately categorize Latinos, it’s likely that the “white” statistics actually includes Latinos. This is an ongoing problem with theFBI sometimes classifying Latinos by victim category, but not by perp category.

More significantly, when it comes to violent crimes, anti-white hate crimes tend to be more violent than anti-black hate crimes.

For example, the FBI lists an anti-white murder in 2012, but no anti-black murder. An anti-white rape, but no anti-black rapes.

The vast majority of anti-black hate crimes were classified as intimidation (635) and vandalism (674) with larger spikes in various forms of assault. It may be that anti-white hate crimes are unlikely to be classified and recorded unless they are particularly violent.


Quoting Momniscient: Because all kinds get charged with hate crime. It is no races fault if whites commit a disproportionate amount of crime prosecuted as a hate crime.

I also don't believe you even have a clue as to what the burdens are in proving hate crime or how that prosecution works and I certainly understand that you froth at the mouth to 'prove' that white people are oppressed somehow.

I'm sure you 'think' I'm uninformed. I'm not bothered cause I don't think you are a Deep thinker at all. Just a bitter reactionary.

Any other questions?
Quoting SallyMJ:

And how is that, oh smart one?

I believe you are the uninformed one.

Quoting Momniscient: Lol.



I'm suggesting you're not a very informed person.




Quoting SallyMJ:

So you believe blacks SHOULD commit hate crimes against whites?

I thought you are a compassionate liberal who loves peace.

How do you expect the American people to want to punish hate crimes against Muslims, when you eyeroll hate crimes against whites?

Do you not believe in equal protection under the law? 


Quoting Momniscient: Eye roll









Quoting SallyMJ:

This is a despicable crime.

On the same note, are the blacks who assaulted white people in the "Knock-Out Game" going to be charged with hate crimes for assaulting people they KNEW were white?

Don't hold your breath. At this point, only a white guy assaulting a black man in this way has been charged with a hate crime.

Hate crimes seem to mostly apply only to white people assaulting black people, but not black people assaulting white people. Why? I thought people are supposed to receive equal protection under the law - the 14th Amendment. This is crazy. 









nelliesmommy
by on Jan. 5, 2014 at 6:21 PM

asshole

mindful23
by New Member on Jan. 5, 2014 at 7:56 PM
Poor woman aggravated the situation when told her car was too close to hes and then ignored him and walked away. I would of fix the situation first just to keep the peace. Thats my opinion of cause.
Lilfootmommy
by on Jan. 5, 2014 at 8:24 PM
Hate to break this to you sally, but this post has nothing to do with black people commiting hate crimes. So back the tuck off

Quoting SallyMJ:

Sorry, dear, proved you wrong. I know that's hard to hear for those on the Left.

Read the OP again, look at the numbers again, and think about statistics: Blacks are over-represented in the crime data, at 10 percentage points higher. Whites are underrepresented in the data, at about 7 percentage points lower than their population would suggest. This means that blacks committed hate crimes about 70% more than you would have thought, and that whites committed hate crimes about 10% less than you would expect. Those are significant numbers.

And the article said there was a black-on-white murder and a rape, but no white-on-black murders or rapes.  That is significant too.

Hey - I'm not a math major either, but even we non-math majors can do these kind of high school type calculations.

So back to my earlier point, which you seem to have misunderstood - As of yesterday, there was ONE, one guy who's black, finally was charged with a hate crime in the Knock-Out game.  None of the others who were charged with assault were charged with a hate crime - just this one, only AFTER a white assailant was similarly charged.

And as we all know, these "Knock-Out" assaults are carried out about 95% the time by black assailants on white people. So if this holds, more of these black assailants will be charged with hate crimes. Just as they should if they are white - Everyone needs to be dealt the same justice.

I know you at least agree with that.

Quoting Momniscient: Lol

Thanks for proving me right.



Try again.

This time, use your own brain instead of googling something you've already concluded.

I know you won't, but it's good for a laugh.




Quoting SallyMJ:

Sure - Just a TINY bit off.

African-Americans Commit Disproportionate Share of Hate Crimes


Whites are 63 percent of the population, but commit 56 percent of the hate crimes.

Blacks are 13 percent of the population but commit 23 percent of the hate crimes.

Furthermore since the FBI statistics don’t appear to separately categorize Latinos, it’s likely that the “white” statistics actually includes Latinos. This is an ongoing problem with theFBI sometimes classifying Latinos by victim category, but not by perp category.

More significantly, when it comes to violent crimes, anti-white hate crimes tend to be more violent than anti-black hate crimes.

For example, the FBI lists an anti-white murder in 2012, but no anti-black murder. An anti-white rape, but no anti-black rapes.

The vast majority of anti-black hate crimes were classified as intimidation (635) and vandalism (674) with larger spikes in various forms of assault. It may be that anti-white hate crimes are unlikely to be classified and recorded unless they are particularly violent.


Quoting Momniscient: Because all kinds get charged with hate crime. It is no races fault if whites commit a disproportionate amount of crime prosecuted as a hate crime.

I also don't believe you even have a clue as to what the burdens are in proving hate crime or how that prosecution works and I certainly understand that you froth at the mouth to 'prove' that white people are oppressed somehow.

I'm sure you 'think' I'm uninformed. I'm not bothered cause I don't think you are a Deep thinker at all. Just a bitter reactionary.

Any other questions?
Quoting SallyMJ:

And how is that, oh smart one?

I believe you are the uninformed one.

Quoting Momniscient: Lol.



I'm suggesting you're not a very informed person.




Quoting SallyMJ:

So you believe blacks SHOULD commit hate crimes against whites?

I thought you are a compassionate liberal who loves peace.

How do you expect the American people to want to punish hate crimes against Muslims, when you eyeroll hate crimes against whites?

Do you not believe in equal protection under the law? 


Quoting Momniscient: Eye roll











Quoting SallyMJ:

This is a despicable crime.

On the same note, are the blacks who assaulted white people in the "Knock-Out Game" going to be charged with hate crimes for assaulting people they KNEW were white?

Don't hold your breath. At this point, only a white guy assaulting a black man in this way has been charged with a hate crime.

Hate crimes seem to mostly apply only to white people assaulting black people, but not black people assaulting white people. Why? I thought people are supposed to receive equal protection under the law - the 14th Amendment. This is crazy. 





-Celestial-
by Pepperlynn on Jan. 5, 2014 at 9:07 PM

From your references in this post

In 2010, law-enforcement agencies nationwide reported a total of 7,699 hate-crime incidents to the FBI, of which 3,725 (or 48.4%) were motivated by racial bias. If we exclude all racially motivated offenses whose perpetrators are categorized as being of "unknown race," or something other than "white" or "black," and we focus only on those offenses definitely involving both blacks and whites, we find that blacks were victims of 1,417 racially motivated offenses committed by whites, while whites were victims of 303 racially motivated offenses committed by blacks. Thus whites were responsible for 82.4% of these interracial hate crimes, and blacks 20.5 percent.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Sure - Just a TINY bit off.

African-Americans Commit Disproportionate Share of Hate Crimes


Whites are 63 percent of the population, but commit 56 percent of the hate crimes.

Blacks are 13 percent of the population but commit 23 percent of the hate crimes.

Furthermore since the FBI statistics don’t appear to separately categorize Latinos, it’s likely that the “white” statistics actually includes Latinos. This is an ongoing problem with theFBI sometimes classifying Latinos by victim category, but not by perp category.

More significantly, when it comes to violent crimes, anti-white hate crimes tend to be more violent than anti-black hate crimes.

For example, the FBI lists an anti-white murder in 2012, but no anti-black murder. An anti-white rape, but no anti-black rapes.

The vast majority of anti-black hate crimes were classified as intimidation (635) and vandalism (674) with larger spikes in various forms of assault. It may be that anti-white hate crimes are unlikely to be classified and recorded unless they are particularly violent.




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