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Ice and cold: Global warming believers are today's climate deniers

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Just this week we had dozens of Global Warming-believing scientists, who specialize in researching ice melt in Antarctica, run into a helluva lot more Antarctic ice than their research told them would be there. So much more ice that their ship and three ice-breaking rescue vessels were stuck in ten feet of it for days (two of the vessels are still stuck). As I write this, the big news of the weekend is a cold snap across much of the country with temperatures reaching 20 and 30-year lows. And yet, despite all of what should be good news, the Global Cooling Global WarmingClimate Change community is not celebrating.  

Not only are Climate Change Truthers not celebrating, they are hysterical with worry that unexpected Antarctic ice discoveries and American winters returning to the normalcy those of us of a certain age remember, might hurt their religion crusade. The media is so worried they have coordinated a cover-up of the news from Antarctica and those of us pointing to what one might call the "science" of colder temperatures and increased Arctic ice are being mocked for doing so.

Granted, more ice in one area of a vast South Pole is not empirical proof that all is well in the Antarctic, but it is a great way to call attention to the fact that according to NASA, "In late September 2013, the ice surrounding Antarctica reached its annual winter maximum and set a new record."

Who is anti-science now?

The chief of today's Climate Deniers is President Obama, whose second term will end up being "all about Climate Change." Despite all this good climate news, Obama still intends to circumvent Congress and use the Tyranny of the Bureaucracy to strangle the kind of industries that create solid middle class jobs. But don't worry, while Obama is killing good-paying energy jobs he will be rescuing us from income inequality that good paying energy jobs would help to solve.  

There are all kinds of reasons not to believe in Global Warming -- the cover-ups, themedia biasthe outright lies; the science just being plain old wrong; the absurdity of using a hundred-or-so years of data on a planet billions of years old;  the oh-so bizarre coincidence that the only solution to the "crisis" is to check off every item on the Marxist wish-list; the fact that Global Warming Believers live their lives like the rest of us instead of preparing for imminent catastrophe…

And let's not forget the oily shift in branding from Global Cooling to Global Warming to Climate Change…

Well, now we can add to this list the fact that the very good news of unexpected Antarctic ice, and a return to the kind of winter weather we experienced before this Climate Change hysteria began, hasn't so much as made a single Truther pause for just a moment to wonder aloud if this might be good news.

Instead, they are ignoring the science to double down on their denial and partisan bitterness.


by on Jan. 4, 2014 at 6:36 PM
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StephanieSH
by on Jan. 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM
The thing is we are technically still coming out of the last ice age so who is to say what is "normal" when we only have a snippet of time with data collected.
Clairwil
by Gold Member on Jan. 5, 2014 at 1:16 PM
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Quoting SallyMJ:
Quoting Clairwil:
Quoting jcribb16:

Climate changes are normal and natural

There are natural climate changes.

That doesn't imply that all climate changes are natural.


There are natural sources of night time illumination, such as the moon.

That doesn't mean that every time you see a bright light in the night sky, it must be something natural.  It could be the lights of an aeroplane.

if you hear hoofbeats, it's probably a horse and not a zebra.

If all you hear are hoofbeats then, in most places in modern USA, yes, the odds are that it will be a horse not a zebra.

And, indeed, if you take a random sample of climate changes that have happened over the last billion years, most of them will have been natural.

But, in this case, we know more than just that the climate is changing.   We have more to go on than just the sound of hoofbeats.

In this case, we can trace back the radiative forcings, and see what is causing this particular change.   It is like we not only can hear the hoofbeats - we are also looking through a telescope seeing stripes, the zoo has announced that a zebra has escaped, and we've dna tested the droppings and found them to be 99% certain to have come from a zebra not a horse.

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Jan. 5, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Of course an age-old metaphor in American medicine is not 100% true, in Africa.

That's the point.

Quoting Clairwil:


Quoting SallyMJ:
Quoting Clairwil:
Quoting jcribb16:

Climate changes are normal and natural

There are natural climate changes.

That doesn't imply that all climate changes are natural.


There are natural sources of night time illumination, such as the moon.

That doesn't mean that every time you see a bright light in the night sky, it must be something natural.  It could be the lights of an aeroplane.

if you hear hoofbeats, it's probably a horse and not a zebra.

If all you hear are hoofbeats then, in most places in modern USA, yes, the odds are that it will be a horse not a zebra.

And, indeed, if you take a random sample of climate changes that have happened over the last billion years, most of them will have been natural.

But, in this case, we know more than just that the climate is changing.   We have more to go on than just the sound of hoofbeats.

In this case, we can trace back the radiative forcings, and see what is causing this particular change.   It is like we not only can hear the hoofbeats - we are also looking through a telescope seeing stripes, the zoo has announced that a zebra has escaped, and we've dna tested the droppings and found them to be 99% certain to have come from a zebra not a horse.


Ziva65
by Bronze Member on Jan. 5, 2014 at 1:38 PM
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yup- excuses

Funny isn't it?

Thanks for posting... those who really believe it though will always put the environment first and foremost... no wonder why some call them earth worshippers...

Clairwil
by Gold Member on Jan. 5, 2014 at 5:06 PM


Quoting StephanieSH:

The thing is we are technically still coming out of the last ice age so who is to say what is "normal" when we only have a snippet of time with data collected.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access/paleoclimatology-data/datasets/ice-core

jcribb16
by Primrose Foxglove on Jan. 5, 2014 at 5:43 PM


Quoting Clairwil:


Quoting jcribb16:

Climate changes are normal and natural or not. (EDITED TO ADD "or not.")

There are natural climate changes.

That doesn't imply that all climate changes are natural.


There are natural sources of night time illumination, such as the moon.

That doesn't mean that every time you see a bright light in the night sky, it must be something natural.  It could be the lights of an aeroplane.


-Celestial-
by Pepperlynn on Jan. 5, 2014 at 6:47 PM
1. Statements about climate trends must be based on, er, trends. Not individual events or occurrences. Weather is not climate, and anecdotes are not statistics.

2. Global warming is actually expected to increase “heavy precipitation in winter storms,” and for the Northern Hemisphere, there is evidence that these storms are already more frequent and intense, according to the draft U.S. National Climate Assessment.

3. Antarctica is a very cold place. But global warming is affecting it as predicted: Antarctica is losing ice overall, according to the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. However, sea ice is a different matter than land-based or glacial ice. Antarctic sea ice is increasing, and moreover, the reason for this may be climate change! (For more, read here.)

Finally, just one last thing: When it’s winter on Earth, it’s also summer on Earth ... somewhere else. Thus, allow us to counter anecdotal evidence about cold weather with more anecdotal evidence: It’s blazing hot in Australia, with temperatures in some regions set to possibly soar above 120 degrees Fahrenheit in the coming days.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/01/climate_change_deniers_cite_snowstorm_debunking_donald_trump_et_al.html
Lilfootmommy
by on Jan. 6, 2014 at 11:22 AM
Global warming is a myth, global climate change is not.
Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Jan. 6, 2014 at 11:43 AM
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Basic premise. Do not disrespect mother nature- she has a way of making us all pay.

Why would people think that their human behaviors would not have an effect on the physical planet?

Or is that, some plain do not care?

I do not see how any person could have such a disconnect- unless, they plain do not care.


GrannyM.
by Bronze Member on Jan. 6, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Welcom to the vortex...

http://www.cnn.com/

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