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Ice and cold: Global warming believers are today's climate deniers

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Just this week we had dozens of Global Warming-believing scientists, who specialize in researching ice melt in Antarctica, run into a helluva lot more Antarctic ice than their research told them would be there. So much more ice that their ship and three ice-breaking rescue vessels were stuck in ten feet of it for days (two of the vessels are still stuck). As I write this, the big news of the weekend is a cold snap across much of the country with temperatures reaching 20 and 30-year lows. And yet, despite all of what should be good news, the Global Cooling Global WarmingClimate Change community is not celebrating.  

Not only are Climate Change Truthers not celebrating, they are hysterical with worry that unexpected Antarctic ice discoveries and American winters returning to the normalcy those of us of a certain age remember, might hurt their religion crusade. The media is so worried they have coordinated a cover-up of the news from Antarctica and those of us pointing to what one might call the "science" of colder temperatures and increased Arctic ice are being mocked for doing so.

Granted, more ice in one area of a vast South Pole is not empirical proof that all is well in the Antarctic, but it is a great way to call attention to the fact that according to NASA, "In late September 2013, the ice surrounding Antarctica reached its annual winter maximum and set a new record."

Who is anti-science now?

The chief of today's Climate Deniers is President Obama, whose second term will end up being "all about Climate Change." Despite all this good climate news, Obama still intends to circumvent Congress and use the Tyranny of the Bureaucracy to strangle the kind of industries that create solid middle class jobs. But don't worry, while Obama is killing good-paying energy jobs he will be rescuing us from income inequality that good paying energy jobs would help to solve.  

There are all kinds of reasons not to believe in Global Warming -- the cover-ups, themedia biasthe outright lies; the science just being plain old wrong; the absurdity of using a hundred-or-so years of data on a planet billions of years old;  the oh-so bizarre coincidence that the only solution to the "crisis" is to check off every item on the Marxist wish-list; the fact that Global Warming Believers live their lives like the rest of us instead of preparing for imminent catastrophe…

And let's not forget the oily shift in branding from Global Cooling to Global Warming to Climate Change…

Well, now we can add to this list the fact that the very good news of unexpected Antarctic ice, and a return to the kind of winter weather we experienced before this Climate Change hysteria began, hasn't so much as made a single Truther pause for just a moment to wonder aloud if this might be good news.

Instead, they are ignoring the science to double down on their denial and partisan bitterness.


by on Jan. 4, 2014 at 6:36 PM
Replies (41-50):
Lilfootmommy
by on Jan. 6, 2014 at 2:21 PM
Ughh. Yes climate changes that is the rucking point. You just want to argue, and its not working out for you.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Climate always changes over hundreds and thousands of years. So what's your point?

Quoting Lilfootmommy: Honey I never said anything about it being natural or not. This world is in between ice ages and yes another ice age will happen. Again like I said climate and weather.are NOT the same



Quoting SallyMJ:

And the centuries-long climate changes that are completely natural and beyond our control. Ice Age, Little Ice Age, anyone? The fact that it was warmer during medieval and Roman times?

Looking at 100 years is a drop in the bucket for a planet that is millions or billions of years old. It's like a hiccup or a sneeze.

You guys have forgotten about the major warming and cooling times in the history of the world.


Quoting Lilfootmommy: Weather and climate are not the same. Figure out why then discuss it with me





Quoting SallyMJ:

We have an old fashioned word for that: It's called "weather."

And the centuries-long climate changes that are completely natural and beyond our control. Ice Age, Little Ice Age, anyone? The fact that it was warmer during medieval and Roman times?

Looking at 100 years is a drop in the bucket for a planet that is millions or billions of years old. It's like a hiccup or a sneeze.

Quoting Lilfootmommy: Global warming is a myth, global climate change is not.




Clairwil
by Gold Member on Jan. 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM


Quoting SallyMJ:
Quoting Clairwil:
Quoting SallyMJ:
Quoting Clairwil:

*sigh*   You don't really enjoy understanding things, do you?   I think you're happier when they're a mystery.

You still haven't explained the millions and billions of years that climate has changed without the assistance of people. How ever is that possible?! Are you suggesting people and the dinosaurs were pals, and that early man had huge industry and infrastructure? Perhaps cavemen sold dinosaur steaks on the free market, and cars were feet generated - such as on The Flintstones? Mr. Slate was the boss?

If you still think, after all this time, that anyone is claiming that all the climate changes over the last billion years have been caused by 'people', then I think I can rest my case about whether or not you enjoy understanding things.


Some are natural.  Some are not.   This particular one is not.

How hard a concept can that be to grasp?

If the majority of warming is beyond our control, how possibly can people affect it?

The majority of the warming that has happened over the last 200 years has been due to human activity.

Do I need to explain radiative forcings to you, yet again?

Clairwil
by Gold Member on Jan. 6, 2014 at 2:32 PM


Quotin SallyMJ:


http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6158/617

Thank you for providing a proper citation.

I'll check it out.

doomsie
by Member on Jan. 6, 2014 at 2:43 PM

 I am anti science because I believe in God and His creation, not science. Sorry, I can be anti anything but still conservative. I didn't know a person who has never liked science is a fake conservative. Ty, dear, for assuming. By the way, just because I hate science doesn't define the person who I am to you. In science, when I was in high school, I flately refused to do half my projects and homework. I only did enough to pass the class. And my teacher knew how I felt and never judge me, calling me a fake conservative.whatever floats your boat, my dear. Have a very awesome day :) and may the sun's radiance ever shine so nightly upon your lives.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Well then, why say you are you "anti-science?"

That was the clue that strongly implied you were faking being a conservative.

Quoting doomsie:

 who ever said I am a damn liberal -_- I am a conservative Christian, but kinda more on the anti-government side. I am also confused at what you are trying to get at. All I said was the weather in Florida was acting strangely. Shrugs...have a blessed day.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Come on, you libs/progs have got to do better at your impersonations!  :)   You guys are SO OBVIOUS, same as when you infiltrate Tea Party rallies and pretend to be idiot conservatives who can't spell. You have to be believable. No one is anti-science - except for many climate change/global warming "experts."

If they were telling the truth, why the need to destroy data that does not support their theories? Why suppress and destroy emails and other communication that the data does not support the extreme predictions of the majority of the climate chang gang? If these folks were truly open to follow where science leads, why do they feel the need to tell scholarly journals to boycott and not publish work by scientists with dissenting views? Does that really sound like the free expression of the truth? Or the suppression of it? 


Quoting doomsie:

 I personally am anti-science, but even I noticed how strange the weather is getting. I live in Florida, and I have so far, I hope I am not jinxing it, seen the most mild winter in a long time. We had a couple chilly days, but nothing like it should be. During winter, we get very cold...just nothing like up north. But so far, only had to wear my hoodie a few times. Yes, winter isn't over. But its just weird.


 


 

~toontown lover~
Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Jan. 6, 2014 at 2:59 PM
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Doomsie- do not let some of these folks get you down- They think they know all...about everyone and everything. Presumptuous would be an apt definition.

Have a great day!

Quoting doomsie:

 I am anti science because I believe in God and His creation, not science. Sorry, I can be anti anything but still conservative. I didn't know a person who has never liked science is a fake conservative. Ty, dear, for assuming. By the way, just because I hate science doesn't define the person who I am to you. In science, when I was in high school, I flately refused to do half my projects and homework. I only did enough to pass the class. And my teacher knew how I felt and never judge me, calling me a fake conservative.whatever floats your boat, my dear. Have a very awesome day :) and may the sun's radiance ever shine so nightly upon your lives.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Well then, why say you are you "anti-science?"

That was the clue that strongly implied you were faking being a conservative.

Quoting doomsie:

 who ever said I am a damn liberal -_- I am a conservative Christian, but kinda more on the anti-government side. I am also confused at what you are trying to get at. All I said was the weather in Florida was acting strangely. Shrugs...have a blessed day.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Come on, you libs/progs have got to do better at your impersonations!  :)   You guys are SO OBVIOUS, same as when you infiltrate Tea Party rallies and pretend to be idiot conservatives who can't spell. You have to be believable. No one is anti-science - except for many climate change/global warming "experts."

If they were telling the truth, why the need to destroy data that does not support their theories? Why suppress and destroy emails and other communication that the data does not support the extreme predictions of the majority of the climate chang gang? If these folks were truly open to follow where science leads, why do they feel the need to tell scholarly journals to boycott and not publish work by scientists with dissenting views? Does that really sound like the free expression of the truth? Or the suppression of it? 


Quoting doomsie:

 I personally am anti-science, but even I noticed how strange the weather is getting. I live in Florida, and I have so far, I hope I am not jinxing it, seen the most mild winter in a long time. We had a couple chilly days, but nothing like it should be. During winter, we get very cold...just nothing like up north. But so far, only had to wear my hoodie a few times. Yes, winter isn't over. But its just weird.


 


 



doomsie
by Member on Jan. 6, 2014 at 3:01 PM

 ty very kindly :) have a great day too :)

Quoting Sisteract:


Doomsie- do not let some of these folks get you down- They think they know all...about everyone and everything. Presumptuous would be an apt definition.

Have a great day!

Quoting doomsie:

 I am anti science because I believe in God and His creation, not science. Sorry, I can be anti anything but still conservative. I didn't know a person who has never liked science is a fake conservative. Ty, dear, for assuming. By the way, just because I hate science doesn't define the person who I am to you. In science, when I was in high school, I flately refused to do half my projects and homework. I only did enough to pass the class. And my teacher knew how I felt and never judge me, calling me a fake conservative.whatever floats your boat, my dear. Have a very awesome day :) and may the sun's radiance ever shine so nightly upon your lives.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Well then, why say you are you "anti-science?"

That was the clue that strongly implied you were faking being a conservative.

Quoting doomsie:

 who ever said I am a damn liberal -_- I am a conservative Christian, but kinda more on the anti-government side. I am also confused at what you are trying to get at. All I said was the weather in Florida was acting strangely. Shrugs...have a blessed day.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Come on, you libs/progs have got to do better at your impersonations!  :)   You guys are SO OBVIOUS, same as when you infiltrate Tea Party rallies and pretend to be idiot conservatives who can't spell. You have to be believable. No one is anti-science - except for many climate change/global warming "experts."

If they were telling the truth, why the need to destroy data that does not support their theories? Why suppress and destroy emails and other communication that the data does not support the extreme predictions of the majority of the climate chang gang? If these folks were truly open to follow where science leads, why do they feel the need to tell scholarly journals to boycott and not publish work by scientists with dissenting views? Does that really sound like the free expression of the truth? Or the suppression of it? 


Quoting doomsie:

 I personally am anti-science, but even I noticed how strange the weather is getting. I live in Florida, and I have so far, I hope I am not jinxing it, seen the most mild winter in a long time. We had a couple chilly days, but nothing like it should be. During winter, we get very cold...just nothing like up north. But so far, only had to wear my hoodie a few times. Yes, winter isn't over. But its just weird.


 


 



 

~toontown lover~
Clairwil
by Gold Member on Jan. 6, 2014 at 6:50 PM


Quoting SallyMJ:


Why ignore massive natural forces we have no control over?

The scientists are not ignoring the natural radiative forcings.   They are taken into account.

Clairwil
by Gold Member on Jan. 6, 2014 at 6:52 PM


Quoting SallyMJ:

What about the cyclical nature of warming and cooling over tens of thousands of years?

What about the fact that approximately every 100,000 years Earth's climate warms up temporarily. These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer its end than its beginning.

Yep, that's all still going on.

Slowly.

Too slowly to account for more than 10% for the changes we've seen over the past 200 years.

Clairwil
by Gold Member on Jan. 6, 2014 at 6:55 PM


Quoting SallyMJ:
Quoting Clairwil:

Some are natural.  Some are not.   This particular one is not.

How hard a concept can that be to grasp?

why, then, do you advocate drastic action that will damage economies all over the world?

What "drastic action" have I, Clairwil, personally advocated?

Of the specific actions I've advocated, how much, quantitatively, do you think they will damage economies and what is the net expected saving of money from them, due to the lessened costs of having to deal with negative consequences of climate change?

Clairwil
by Gold Member on Jan. 6, 2014 at 7:04 PM


Quoting SallyMJ:
Quoting Lilfootmommy: 

So if you agree that there are natural causes beyond our control, why do you follow the scientists who recommend huge actions by people that will drastically damage our economy?

It seems your conclusions are similar to mine - Why then do you support draconian action to change what likely can be changed little if any?

I realise your questions were addressed to Lil Foot Mommy, but I'd like to respond to them...


There are natural causes beyond our control.   For instance there's little if anything we can do about volcanic activity.

But there are also 'unnatural' causes (or 'artificial causes', or 'causes consequent to human activity' if you prefer).   And, over the last 200 years, they have had more effect upon the pace of climate change than the natural causes have had.


There is, in fact, quite a lot we could do to deliberately influence the climate, if the biggest countries in the world decided that doing so was worth spending sufficient money.   The change would be slow - something that large can't turn on a dime.   But, over time, the results would be significant.

For a start:

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