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Ice and cold: Global warming believers are today's climate deniers

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Just this week we had dozens of Global Warming-believing scientists, who specialize in researching ice melt in Antarctica, run into a helluva lot more Antarctic ice than their research told them would be there. So much more ice that their ship and three ice-breaking rescue vessels were stuck in ten feet of it for days (two of the vessels are still stuck). As I write this, the big news of the weekend is a cold snap across much of the country with temperatures reaching 20 and 30-year lows. And yet, despite all of what should be good news, the Global Cooling Global WarmingClimate Change community is not celebrating.  

Not only are Climate Change Truthers not celebrating, they are hysterical with worry that unexpected Antarctic ice discoveries and American winters returning to the normalcy those of us of a certain age remember, might hurt their religion crusade. The media is so worried they have coordinated a cover-up of the news from Antarctica and those of us pointing to what one might call the "science" of colder temperatures and increased Arctic ice are being mocked for doing so.

Granted, more ice in one area of a vast South Pole is not empirical proof that all is well in the Antarctic, but it is a great way to call attention to the fact that according to NASA, "In late September 2013, the ice surrounding Antarctica reached its annual winter maximum and set a new record."

Who is anti-science now?

The chief of today's Climate Deniers is President Obama, whose second term will end up being "all about Climate Change." Despite all this good climate news, Obama still intends to circumvent Congress and use the Tyranny of the Bureaucracy to strangle the kind of industries that create solid middle class jobs. But don't worry, while Obama is killing good-paying energy jobs he will be rescuing us from income inequality that good paying energy jobs would help to solve.  

There are all kinds of reasons not to believe in Global Warming -- the cover-ups, themedia biasthe outright lies; the science just being plain old wrong; the absurdity of using a hundred-or-so years of data on a planet billions of years old;  the oh-so bizarre coincidence that the only solution to the "crisis" is to check off every item on the Marxist wish-list; the fact that Global Warming Believers live their lives like the rest of us instead of preparing for imminent catastrophe…

And let's not forget the oily shift in branding from Global Cooling to Global Warming to Climate Change…

Well, now we can add to this list the fact that the very good news of unexpected Antarctic ice, and a return to the kind of winter weather we experienced before this Climate Change hysteria began, hasn't so much as made a single Truther pause for just a moment to wonder aloud if this might be good news.

Instead, they are ignoring the science to double down on their denial and partisan bitterness.

by on Jan. 4, 2014 at 6:36 PM
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by Platinum Member on Jan. 7, 2014 at 3:23 AM

Quoting SallyMJ:

less extreme weather than the 1950s

On what are you measuring that?   And how did you pick that particular decade to compare with?   How does the period  2000-2010 compare with the 1940s or 1960s for extreme weather?


Since the mid 1970s, global temperatures have been warming at around 0.2°C per decade. However, weather imposes it's own dramatic ups and downs over the long termtrend. So we expect to see record cold temperatures even during global warming. Nevertheless, who hasn't heard someone on a cold day mutter "what happened to global warming?!" It's human nature to remember unusual events: record heat waves and freezing cold spells. Mentally calculating long term statistical trends doesn't come quite as easy as recalling that cold morning a few winters ago or that sweltering heat wave last summer. However, we can learn something about climate trends from those record hot and cold days.

Consider a record daily high to mean that temperatures were warmer on that day than on the same date throughout a weather station's history. As time passes, the number of record high and low temperatures will diminish. This is because as the years roll on and records accumulate, it becomes increasingly difficult to break a record. A new paper (Meehle 2009) examines the record highs and lows since 1950. Figure 1 shows the number of record high temperatures (red dots) and record low temperatures (blue dots). If temperatures weren't warming, we would expect the number of record highs and lows to be roughly equal. Instead, the highs and lows diverge over time with gradually more record highs than lows.

Figure 1: Annual numbers of record high maximum temperatures (red dots) and record low minimum temperatures (blue dots) averaged over the entire US region. Black line is the theoretical values assuming no global warming or cooling.

To examine this further, the ratio of record highs versus record lows were calculated for each year. Figure 2 shows the yearly ratio as black dots. The solid green line is the smoothed trend. During a period of global cooling in the 1960s, there were more record lows than highs. However, when the global warming period began in the 1970s, the ratio of highs to lows began to increase. Over the last decade, daily record high temperatures occurred twice as often as record lows.

Figure 2: observations of the ratio of record highs to record lows each year (dots), solid line is a smoothed curve fit.

So we see that even during global warming, cold days are expected. However, there's a much greater chance of daily record highs instead of lows. This tendency towards hotter days is expected to increase as global warming continues into the 21st Century.

by Bronze Member on Jan. 7, 2014 at 7:59 AM

 It's not as much as 18 years, and the overall trend, is toward warming.    Just because it's cold for a few days, or the trend slacks off for a few years, doesn't negate the fact that there's an overall warming trend. 

Also, this cold blast can be regarded actually, as typical of a warming pattern, where there is also some instability.   The data supports not only global warming, but also, instability.

Please try to remember, that weather always includes periods of cold, periods of heat, and extremes, yet can still show an overall more general trend.

I think you don't understand what a 'trend' means.    For example, over the last 20 years, crime in America has decreased.

This doesn't mean that there is no crime, or that every place in America, at every moment, has less crime, than it did the moment before.

Look up 'trend' in the dictionary. 

And no, there isn't really any conflicting data.    And yes, a few years ago, I also believed that Global Warming was a 'hoax'.   I changed my opinion because of my own investigation of the data on BOTH sides.   And I have a rather good background in statistics and pattern analysis, so I was not going to be duped by junk science.

I changed my opinion because the anthropomorphic global warming deny group, did not have any convincing data.   Everything the deny group is saying, how convincing it is, relies on the ignorance of its readership.   That's why it is successful.   

In the public arena, if you need to convince someone of something that is not true, relying on their ignorance will always succeed.

Also, once someone believes an obvious load of crap, they cease to exercise any critical reading or thinking skills on the matter, so you basically have a 'lock' on their opinion.   The less scientific your proof is, the better that 'lock' is.

Quoting SallyMJ:

Earth to Celestial: Freezing cold is not the same as heat.

What do you say about the fact that scientists have not found any measurable heating of the earth for about 18 years? And that actually the earth is cooling? 

Do you go with the factual information, or do you just let your head explode due to conflicting data?

Quoting -Celestial-: With the record heat waves around the globe, earth us only trying to cool itself down


by Platinum Member on Jan. 7, 2014 at 8:54 AM

Quoting lancet98:

once someone believes an obvious load of crap, they cease to exercise any critical reading or thinking skills on the matter, so you basically have a 'lock' on their opinion. 

Confirmation bias and sunk costs.

by Jenney on Jan. 7, 2014 at 11:14 AM


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