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Should a Pro-Abortion Printer be Forced to Print “Abortion is Murder” Signs and Shirts?

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Should a Pro-Abortion Printer be Forced to Print "Abortion is Murder" Signs and Shirts?

Posted on February 25, 2014 by Filed under 1st Amendment, Abortion, Christianity, Constitution, Culture, Ethics, Homosexuality

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The courts have kicked a legal hornet's nest by redefining marriage and forcing people to agree with their decision under threat of fines and possible imprisonment.

Now states are trying to project business owners that do not agree with the redefinition of marriage by passing laws allowing them to refuse service to people of the same sex who want to get married. Consider Arizona's governor Jan Brewer:

"She must decide if she is going to sign into law legislation that would allow business owners, as long as they assert their religious beliefs, to deny service to gay and lesbian customers."

These new legal attempts to fix what the courts broke are getting a lot of attention. They are being portrayed as pro-discrimination laws. Some have described them as similar in kind to 'Jim Crow' laws. Being black is not a behavior or a belief.

Business owners (religious or not) should be able to make their own decisions about who they want to do business with.

Sometimes the best way to explain to people the nature of something is to put the shoe on the other foot. Here are some "what ifs." Babies are Murdered Here

  • What if a print-shop owner holds to a "pro-choice" view on abortion and a pro-life group comes in and wants shirts and signs made that read "Babies are Murdered Here" to use in front of an abortion clinic? Should the owner of the shop be forced to make the shirts and signs?
  • What if a print-shop owner who is homosexual gets an order for shirts and signs that are to read "God Hates Fags"? Should the owner be forced to fill the order under penalty of law?
  • Should a supporter of PETA who owns a print shop be forced to make signs and shirts that read "PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals"?
  • Should a baker be forced to supply cakes to a KKK-themed wedding or birthday party?
  • Should an atheist who owns a print shop be forced to print signs and shirts that read "All Atheists are Going to Hell"?
  • Should a printer be forced to print shirts and signs that read "Hitler Was Right"?
  • Should a photographer be forced to film and photograph a wedding that has a "White Power" or KKK theme?

I suspect that the vast majority of people in America would sympathize with these business owners who were asked to do something contrary to their beliefs that is an advocacy position against those beliefs.

This is quite different from a rabid racist who buys a cake from a baker or wants business cards made for his son's new business venture. In the majority of cases, people who operate businesses don't know the personal views or sexual habits of their customers, and in most cases they don't want to know.

But when someone comes in to advocate for a view that has moral meaning for them, that's a different story.

We may not like the advocacy of this group or that group, but what we should like even less is the government saying how we should advocate for our beliefs.

The above examples would not be prohibited by law. Same-sex sex has special protection under the law. Laws have been written that say a business cannot refuse to support the behavior of people who engage in same-sex relationships and marriage.

This is tyranny of the highest order. The First Amendment was drafted to protect speech, popular or not. My view of unpopular speech and someone else's view of unpopular speech are equally protected. The government may want to stop the propagation of popular speech since to them it's a threat to the establishment.

Academia likes to protect its eggs by keeping out dissent. Global Warming advocates have declared that the "debate is over." Dissent is not only not tolerated; it's not even allowed to speak.


by on Feb. 28, 2014 at 2:53 PM
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jobseeker
by Bronze Member on Mar. 1, 2014 at 4:24 PM
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no

Debrowsky
by Gold Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 11:04 AM
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judging by the reason of this law, it was truthfully intended to protect people from prosecution for reasons of:  freedom of speech, religion, and conscience. 
Everyone falls into one or more of those categories. 

Quoting PamR:

This thread is apparently intended to make some point regarding the law that was vetoed in AZ.  Had it been signed, it would have created a law that sanctioned discrimination.  This is an entirely different matter.  No comparison.

Quoting Debrowsky:


Quoting PamR:

Should a law be passed forcing him to?

should a court, a judge pass a judment forcing someone to.New Mexico's state Supreme Court came to a unanimous decision, ruling that Elane Photography's decision to refuse photographing a 2006 commitment ceremony violated the state's Human Rights Act. Owner Elaine Hugenin cited religious beliefs as the cause behind her choice, according to the wire service.



PamR
by Platinum Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM

People are already protected in those areas.   There is no need to make a law that singles out any segment of the population for lawful discrimination.

Quoting Debrowsky:

judging by the reason of this law, it was truthfully intended to protect people from prosecution for reasons of:  freedom of speech, religion, and conscience.  Everyone falls into one or more of those categories. 

Quoting PamR:

This thread is apparently intended to make some point regarding the law that was vetoed in AZ.  Had it been signed, it would have created a law that sanctioned discrimination.  This is an entirely different matter.  No comparison.

Quoting Debrowsky:


Quoting PamR:

Should a law be passed forcing him to?

should a court, a judge pass a judment forcing someone to.New Mexico's state Supreme Court came to a unanimous decision, ruling that Elane Photography's decision to refuse photographing a 2006 commitment ceremony violated the state's Human Rights Act. Owner Elaine Hugenin cited religious beliefs as the cause behind her choice, according to the wire service.




Owl_Feather
by on Mar. 4, 2014 at 3:20 PM

I hate the term "pro-abortion". As if thats all they support and encourage. Wat happened to the term "pro-choice"

Debrowsky
by Gold Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 4:46 PM
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 If that were true, then all the cases of businesses that have been sued and forced to provide service against their conscience haven't been protected at all.  

Quoting PamR:

People are already protected in those areas.   There is no need to make a law that singles out any segment of the population for lawful discrimination.

Quoting Debrowsky:

judging by the reason of this law, it was truthfully intended to protect people from prosecution for reasons of:  freedom of speech, religion, and conscience.  Everyone falls into one or more of those categories. 

Quoting PamR:

This thread is apparently intended to make some point regarding the law that was vetoed in AZ.  Had it been signed, it would have created a law that sanctioned discrimination.  This is an entirely different matter.  No comparison.

Quoting Debrowsky:

 

Quoting PamR:

Should a law be passed forcing him to?

should a court, a judge pass a judment forcing someone to.New Mexico's state Supreme Court came to a unanimous decision, ruling that Elane Photography's decision to refuse photographing a 2006 commitment ceremony violated the state's Human Rights Act. Owner Elaine Hugenin cited religious beliefs as the cause behind her choice, according to the wire service.

 

 

 

 

Debrowsky
by Gold Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 4:49 PM
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 choice - includes killing babies- pretty much means your for abortion.
Pro- life means exclusively saving life of baby.

Quoting Owl_Feather:

I hate the term "pro-abortion". As if thats all they support and encourage. Wat happened to the term "pro-choice"

 

mikiemom
by Gold Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Well since there is no such thing as pro-abortion.

mikiemom
by Gold Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 5:05 PM

 actually it's pro-choice and anti-choice. I am for the mother making the decision for herself. You are for forcing her to do your bidding.

Quoting Debrowsky:

 choice - includes killing babies- pretty much means your for abortion.Pro- life means exclusively saving life of baby.

Quoting Owl_Feather:

I hate the term "pro-abortion". As if thats all they support and encourage. Wat happened to the term "pro-choice"

 

 

bunnyxlover
by on Mar. 4, 2014 at 5:08 PM

who is pro abortion??

VoodooVixen
by Bronze Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 5:36 PM
Here is the issue. The things listed would be made to be obviously inflammatory and hateful. There is nothing inflammatory or hateful about a wedding.

And remember. May of these same arguments were made to keep blacks from marrying whites. We saw how that turned out.
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