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The Cultural War Against Christians

Posted by on Mar. 3, 2014 at 1:29 PM
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Arizona Governor Jan Brewer was right to veto SB1062, which would have amended the Arizona Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

The bill, per most interpretations I've read, would have given broad discretion to business owners, because of their religious convictions, to refuse to do business with anyone associated with homosexual lifestyles.

Religious freedom is about protection of your right to practice your religion and not being forced to violate it.

However, the right to religious freedom does not mean the right to write-off and marginalize into non-existence a whole class of citizens whom you don't like or agree with.

Under Jim Crow, the problem whites had with blacks was not what blacks thought or did, but that they existed. These laws were designed to relegate one class of citizens to separate and unequal status, simply because of who they were.

Such actions have nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with bigotry and racism.

But, unfortunately, the failure of this poorly conceived Arizona bill will be misinterpreted. Some will incorrectly claim that this means it is not a violation of religious freedom to force a business owner to provide a product or service for activity that is against his or her religious convictions. That is incorrect.

Would anyone question the refusal of a black vendor to sells sheets to the local Ku Klux Klan chapter? Or a Jewish merchant refusing to sell the poster board for a Neo-Nazi rally? Or refusal of a Christian video service to make a pornographic film?

So why is it not perfectly clear that the religious freedom of a Christian merchant is violated if that merchant is forced to bake a cake or prepare a flower arrangement for a same-sex marriage which is not only as personally repugnant to that vendor as any in the cases above, but is also a clear and literal violation of the scripture that defines the faith of these individuals?

And why is it that same-sex couples have such a hard time finding bakers and florists that are not offended by their wedding? Why do they wind up with such regularity trying to buy from Christian vendors?

The reality is that the “gay rights” crusade is not about a struggle for justice but rather it is a cultural war.

Homosexual activists understand the ongoing erosion of traditional values as a pillar of our society and use this opportunity to push Christian reality, once and for all, into the closet and to lock the door.

The cultural script has been re-written such that Christians have been put in a position of either rejecting the precepts and prohibitions of their religion, or being faithful to them and being branded as against “equality.”

The problem, of course, is not what people do in private. The issue is that it all has been dragged into the public square because, again, this is a cultural war.

The battlefront is the core contradiction of legitimization of homosexual behavior that scripture clearly prohibits and then moving on to redefine marriage.

Christians have been put in the untenable position that being true to their faith means, by the new standards set in our society, being labeled a bigot and then being exposed to being put out of business.

Let's keep in mind that the idea of religious freedom only means something as long as religion means something.

It is critical that Christians draw the line and continue the struggle and not allow religion or religious freedom to be compromised. Individuals or businesses forced to supply goods or services for activities against the precepts of their faith must refuse and call forth their protection under the first amendment of the US constitution.

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by Vic on Mar. 3, 2014 at 1:41 PM
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The last paragraph in this article should be posted on every bill board in the nation. IMO we should have a right to not violate our conscious, and should not be made to by anyone. IMO we are being made to participate in sin and, when we do this, we may as well be the one doing the sin.

IhartU
by Bronze Member on Mar. 3, 2014 at 2:28 PM


Perhaps all Christians business owners should have all potential buyers fill in this application before allowing them to shop because there are MANY sins that people commit that go against religious beliefs:


Possible Mortal Sins Checkoff List
. Possible Mortal Sin


1 FIRST COMMANDMENT Serious
Matter
Sufficient
Reflection
Free
Will
1 FIRST COMMANDMENT -- I am the Lord your God. You shall not have strange gods before Me. [Exodus 20:2,3] [___] [___] [___]
1 Do you only worship the One True God? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you, or do you, hate God? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you give greater love to anything other than God? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you believe you were better, or smarter than God? [Deadly Sin-- PRIDE] [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put faith in Occult Ideas, or practices? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Astrology? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in New Age Philosophies? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Eastern Philosophies? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Witchcraft? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Atheism? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Agnosticism? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Sorcery? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Ouija Boards? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Seance? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Black Magic? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Voodo? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Palm Reading? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Tarot Cards? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Divination? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Hypnotism? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Superstitions? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Good Luck Charms? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Horoscopes? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you put your faith in Paganism or other False Worship? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you join a Schismatic Group? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you join the Freemasons (Masons)? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you join, contribute to, or sympathize with another secret society? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you join, contribute to, or sympathize with Planned Parenthood? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you join, contribute to, or sympathize with the ACLU? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you join, contribute to, or sympathize with Gay Rights Groups? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you join, contribute to, or sympathize with Pro-Choice Groups? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you join, contribute to, or sympathize with Pro-Abortion Groups? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you join, contribute to, or sympathize with the Communist Party? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you join, contribute to, or sympathize with the Socialist Party? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you deny the Faith of the Church? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you/do you despair of God’s Mercy? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you Fail to Pray to God for an extended period of time? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you receive illicit Non-Emergency ‘General Absolution‘? [___] [___] [___]
1 Are you guilty of Apostasy (Declaring to leave the Church)? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you fail to receive Holy Communion? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you fail to Confession your sins? [___] [___] [___]
1 Were you married by a Justice-of the-Peace? [___] [___] [___]
1 Were you married by Elvis? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you commit Mortal Sin? [___] [___] [___]
1 Were you Confirmed? [___] [___] [___]
1 Were you Married in a state of Mortal Sin? [___] [___] [___]
1 Did you commit Simony (Buying or Selling Spiritual Objects)?

IhartU
by Bronze Member on Mar. 3, 2014 at 2:28 PM


SECOND COMMANDMENT
SECOND COMMANDMENT -- Thou shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain. [Exodus 20:7]
Did you/do use God‘s name ONLY reverently?
Did you/do you use God‘s name as a Curse?
Did you/do you commit Blasphemy (words of Hatred or Defiance towards God)?
Did you/do you slander or insult a Sacred Person or Object?
THIRD COMMANDMENT
THIRD COMMANDMENT -- Remember that you keep Holy the Sabbath Day. [Exodus 20:8]
Did you miss Church Service without good reason?
Do you receive Holy Communion?
Did you Fail to Fast from Food and Drink during Lent?
Did you Fail to Receive Holy Communion during Easter time?
Did you Desecrate the Holy Eucharist (SACRILEGE)?
Did you/do you do unnecessary compensated Labor on Sunday, for a long time?
Did you/do you Require employees to work on Sundays in non-essential occupations?
Did you intentionally Fail to Fast on Ash Wednesday or Good Friday?
Did you intentionally Eat Meat on the Fridays of Lent or on Ash Wednesday?
FORTH COMMANDMENT
FORTH COMMANDMENT -- Honor thy Father and thy Mother. [Exodus 20:12]
Did you/do you fail to Love, Help, or Obey your parents?
Did you/do you ever seriously wish Death or Evil upon your parents?
Did you/do you seriously Disobey or Disrespect other supervisors or authorities?
Did you seriously Fail to Care for your aged parents?
Did you Fail to Carry-out the Last Will of a deceased parent?
Did you/do you seriously Neglect the religious education and morals of your children?
Did you/do you physically or mentally Abuse or seriously Neglect your children?
Did you Baptize your children?
Did you/do you seriously Neglect the Duties of in life? [Deadly Sin-- SLOTH]
IhartU
by Bronze Member on Mar. 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM


FIFTH COMMANDMENT
FIFTH COMMANDMENT -- Thou shall not kill. [Exodus 20:13]
Did you kill anyone?
Did you willfully Fail to Bury the body, or the ashes of the dead?
Did you/do you Seriously Entertain Thoughts of Suicide?
Did you Attempt, or Intend, to Commit Suicide?
Did you fail to eat properly and become anorexic, through Vanity?
Did you/do you take or sell Illegal Drugs?
Did you/do you Abuse Alcohol (Willful Drunkenness)?
Did you Loose Your Temper to an extreme [Deadly Sin-- ANGER]?
Did you unjustly Injure another physically?
Did you unjustly Injure another verbally?
Did you willfully engage in an Unjust Lawsuit?
Did you intentionally place temptation before a weak person?
Are you guilty of Bigotry (hatred of other races, nationalities, or religions)?
Are you guilty of Pride or Arrogance [Deadly Sin-- PRIDE]?
Did you promote, advise, or have an Abortion?
Did you have a ‘Selective Reduction‘ of babies in the womb?
Did you/do you commit Self-Mutilation (Cutting, etc.)?
Do you have excessive Tattoos?
Do you have excessive Body Piercing?
Do you have a piercing of the nipples or sexual organs?
Do you refuse reasonable ordinary hospital care, that could save your life?
Did you promote or involve yourself in Euthanasia?
SIXTH COMMANDMENT
SIXTH COMMANDMENT -- Thou shall not commit Adultery. [Exodus 20:14]
Did you/do you commit Adultery (by having sex with a married person)?
Did you/do you commit Fornication (by having sex before marriage)?
Have you engaged in, promoted, or used Prostitution?
Did you commit Rape (forced sexual contact with another person)?
Did you/do you commit Incest (sex with a family member, near relative, adopted family member, or in-law, of the same or opposite sex)
Did you/do you commit Pedophilia?
Have you viewed Pornography?
Have you read Sexually Explicit Materials?
Do you have a sexual Fetish?
Did you/do you dwell on Impure Thoughts for the purpose or Arousal?
Did you/do you have impure or violent sexual fantasies, asleep or awake?
Have you watched Impure Television, Movies, or DVD‘s?
Have you Dressed Immodestly, or Acted to Arouse another, not your spouse?
Have you kissed or touched another to cause Arousal, who’s not your spouse ?
Have you allowed another to Arouse you passionately, who‘s not your spouse?
Have you caused sexual climax, other than Intercourse, even with your spouse?
Did you/do you commit Onanism (Withdrawal for Contraceptive purposes)?
Did you/do you have Oral Sex?
Did you guilty of Dressing Immodestly, in a flagrant way?
Did you/do you have sex with Animals (Bestiality)?
Did you/do you Masturbate?
Did you/do you engage in other Impure Acts with yourself?
Did you/do you engage in Homosexual Acts?
Did you/do you have Anal Sex, or other degrading sexual practices?
Did you/do you use a Contraceptive device (condom, diaphragm, or intrauterine device)?
Did you/do you have a Surgical Sterilization (Vasectomy, or Tubes Tied, etc.)?
Did you/do you practice the Rhythm Method of Birth Control, even with your spouse?
Did you/do you practice Natural Family Planning, (NFP) even with your spouse?
Did you/do you practice Natural Fertility Regulation, (NFR) even with your spouse?
Did you/do you practice Natural Birth Regulation, (NBR) even with your spouse?
Did you engage in In-Vitro Fertilization?
Did you engage in Artificial Insemination?
Did you engage in Surrogate Motherhood?
Did you/do you engage in Fertility Testing involving Immoral Acts (Masturbation)?
Did you engage in or support Human Cloning?
Are you guilty of Polygamy (many wives)?
Are you guilty of Polyandry (many husbands)?
Did you Cohabitate (live together) before Marriage?
Did you Lust in the Heart? [Deadly Sin-- LUST]
Are you guilty of Wife Swapping (or ‘Swinging‘)?
Are you guilty of Transvestitism (Cross Dressing)?
Did you love sex (or food, etc.), excessively? [Deadly Sin-- GLUTTONY]
IhartU
by Bronze Member on Mar. 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM
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SEVENTH COMMANDMENT
SEVENTH COMMANDMENT -- Thou shalt not steal. [Exodus 20:15]
Have you Stolen a large sum or money, or a valuable item?
Have you willfully Failed to Make Restitution for a stolen or destroyed item?
Have you Defrauded workers of their just wage?
Have you Received, Concealed, Bought, or Sold Stolen Property?
Have you willfully Defaced or Destroyed another‘s property?
Have you Stolen something Consecrated to God, or from a Holy Place?
Have you Gambled to Excess and harmed your life or your family‘s life?
Have you Stolen your employer‘s Time, by serious failure to do your work?
Have you padded your Expense or Per Diem Account?
Have you Taken Advantage to the poor, simple-minded, or the inexperienced?
Have you Denied Help to the poor, needy, or destitute, even though capable?
Have you been Seriously Cruel to animals?
Have you Enslaved anyone?
Have you Defrauded creditors?
Have you Pirated computer software, or bootlegged movies or DVD‘s?
Have you Violated copyright laws?
Have you Bribed anyone, or accepted a Bribe?
Are you guilty of Excessive Waste or Expense?
Have you Blackmailed anyone?
Have you committed Forgery?
Are you guilty of Fraud, Embezzlement, or Ponzi Schemes?
Have you Evaded or Cheated on your Tax Return?
Are you guilty of Price Fixing or Collusion?
EIGHTH COMMANDMENT
EIGHTH COMMANDMENT -- Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor. [Exodus 20:16]
Did you Bear False Witness [not under oath] against anyone?
Did you bear false witness [under oath is Perjury] against anyone?
Did you/do you seriously Wish Evil upon another person?
Did you Withhold a Serious Sin while confessing to God?
Have you told a large or premeditated Lie?
Have you engaged in Calumny (telling the faults of someone, that are untrue)?
Did you/do you seriously Wish Evil upon another person?
Have you engaged in Detraction (telling the true gossip faults, unnecessarily)?
Have you Violated the Confidence of someone without good reason?
Are you an Accomplice to another‘s Grave Sin?
NINTH COMMANDMENT
NINTH COMMANDMENT -- Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife. [Exodus 20:17]
Did you/do you Lust after someone else’s wife?
Did you/do you willfully Lust after another? [Deadly Sin-- LUST]
Are you guilty of willful Divorce?
Are you guilty of willful Desertion?
TENTH COMMANDMENT
TENTH COMMANDMENT -- Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods. [Exodus 20:17]
Did you/do you Seriously Covet your neighbor‘s possessions? [Deadly Sin-- ENVY]
Are you guilty of Serious Avarice or Greed? [Deadly Sin-- GREED]
-Celestial-
by Pepperlynn on Mar. 3, 2014 at 2:36 PM
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Love it IhartU
Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Mar. 3, 2014 at 2:40 PM
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 That was impressive.

And to think she did it with blood shooting out of her eyes the entire time.

Quoting -Celestial-: Love it IhartU

 

The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend.
Sometimes the Enemy of my Enemy is just another Enemy.
The trick is to know when.
UpSheRises
by Silver Member on Mar. 3, 2014 at 2:50 PM
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Stupid. Not all Christians have a problem with allowing gays the same rights as everyone else. In fact, most don't.

PamR
by Platinum Member on Mar. 3, 2014 at 2:53 PM
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This is so ridiculous.  The author seems to think that all Christians hold precisely the same values, same prejudices, same opinions on social issues.  And we don't.  Some Christians needs to stop seeing themselves as the ultimate voice of religion.

Ziva65
by Bronze Member on Mar. 3, 2014 at 3:13 PM

It's a slippery slope.

I'm a Christian, I'm a business owner, and I also contract occasionally as a Nurse Practitioner.

If I owned a hotel, and rented rooms out would I offer it to gay men, or to two people who I knew weren't married- or perhaps to people who I knew were married to someone else? Yes. I wouldn't discriminate, as I do see it as discrimination. I'm not the judge and the jury, that is between them and God.

Now, I do not work in certain family practices as an NP, because I know they perform abortions, I will not work with teens because I don't want to prescribe birth control to them. That is my choice. If however, I were to work in those environments,and I was the only NP, I'd be stuck.

This is how I view people who state they are Christian, yet would blatantly say I will not serve you because you are gay. I think they should get a different line of business in that case, and not serve the public. How far does it go, would a baker refuse to bake a cake for an anniversary of two people living together? How far does this go? do we need to quiz everyone, as said above, to see what sins they have done? Everyone is a sinner, we too are sinners. If we don't serve sinners, there is no one left to serve, and we ourselves aren't worthy to serve anyone either.

All that said, I do agree that business owners should have the right to give service to whomever they want. If it violates their concience, or simply don't want to provide service to someone, they should have that right. I also beleive then that they shouldn't advertise to the public, and if there are people to whom they offer service, then they should publish that. Perhaps honestly they shouldn't be in business then if they are willing to put a sign out "I will not serve gays". I bet, Christ wouldn't have put that sign out. He made wine for a wedding, they were sinners.

As a Christian, we are in the world, we live in the world. I think it is a terrible witness for Christ to discriminate against "those sinners" because after all, we all are. It's throwing the stone, when we have no right to do so. It ruins our Christian witness. I personally believe that baking a cake for someone who lives a life differently than what a Christian believes is not "being complicit in their sin".

We, as Christians, have no idea whether or not they have repented for that day or any day’s sins. Which means if you do anything that helps them live or thrive and thus be able to continue on in their sin, then you are complicit in their life of sin. And if that is true, then anything Christ ever sold as a carpenter or miracle or act of kindness Jesus ever did for anybody, made him “complicit in their life of sin.”

 

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