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Muslims Demanding Their Own Sharia Patrols in Michigan

Posted by on Mar. 17, 2014 at 10:20 AM
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During the public comment time at the Dearborn city council meeting, a Muslim stood to demand that the city institute sharia patrols to keep young people out of parks and to prevent the sale of “offensive” magazines in stores.

The man named Hassan took his place in line during the public comments and when it was his turn to speak he prefaced his comments with loud chanting of Islamic prayers. He then went on to demand that the city begin patrols of the parks because people used them for “sexual activities.”

The Muslim would not tell the council where he lived claiming he feared for the safety of his family but said he lived near Westland.

As reported, “Hassan also stated that there were magazines and newspapers at the public libraries and civic center that can ’cause colossal damage to a child’s health,’ asking the city to review and monitor literature before they are distributed.”

So, Mr. Hassan wants sharia compliant patrols to prevent people from using parks and he wants the city to perpetrate sharia compliant censorship at libraries.

Fortunately, the city council shot down Hassan’s demands. This time.

But this is how we begin to lose our nation to invading Islam just as it has happened in Europe, Britain, and elsewhere. Muslims use our own system against us, using democracy to destroy democracy.

First they have a few people complain at a public meeting. Next they have a dozen. Then they shame the government to concede in a few demands. Next they demand more and government gives them, more. Then they are allowed their own enclaves where they have full power and can ignore the rule of law (this has happened in Britain). Then they branch out from their enclaves and begin to force other areas to observe their medieval rule.

Be ware of this, America. Sharia is coming if these Muslims have any say at all over it. Sharia is un-American, anti-democratic, anathema to freedom and liberty and it must be stopped.

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Ednarooni160
by Eds on Mar. 17, 2014 at 10:30 AM
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We already have laws....we do not need Sharia laws here.

stacymomof2
by Bronze Member on Mar. 17, 2014 at 10:37 AM
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That slippery slope argument doesn't hold water. One guy demanding something that would never come to fruition doesn't mean Muslims are taking over.
Look at how unsuccessful christians have been in demanding similar things. The Constitution will hold.
Canvas_says
by Silver Member on Mar. 17, 2014 at 10:55 AM
Not surprised given the very large population of Muslims in Michigan.
stacymomof2
by Bronze Member on Mar. 17, 2014 at 11:00 AM
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ore. Then they are allowed their own enclaves where they have full power and can ignore the rule of law (this has happened in Britain). Then they branch out from their enclaves and begin to force other areas to observe their medieval rule.

Be ware of this, America. Sharia is coming if these Muslims have any say at all over it. Sharia is un-American, anti-democratic, anathema to freedom and liberty and it must be
But this is how we begin to lose our nation to invading Islam just as it has happened in Europe, Britain, and elsewhere. Muslims use our own system against us, using democracy to destroy democracy.

stacymomof2
by Bronze Member on Mar. 17, 2014 at 11:02 AM
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Quoring to clarify. ..I am bad at copy paste on my phone but the above idiocy is from the supposed "news."
That's not news. It's bigoted rhetoric.


Quoting stacymomof2: ore. Then they are allowed their own enclaves where they have full power and can ignore the rule of law (this has happened in Britain). Then they branch out from their enclaves and begin to force other areas to observe their medieval rule.

Be ware of this, America. Sharia is coming if these Muslims have any say at all over it. Sharia is un-American, anti-democratic, anathema to freedom and liberty and it must be
But this is how we begin to lose our nation to invading Islam just as it has happened in Europe, Britain, and elsewhere. Muslims use our own system against us, using democracy to destroy democracy.

4everMuslim
by Member on Mar. 17, 2014 at 11:12 AM

I live in Dearborn and if I should happen to hear about this it will be in some form of a joke. We don't want that here and I know I can speak for 99% of us when I say that. We are very happy with how our city is now. We take allot of pride in having one the very best police forces, best school systems,best mayor, and the cleanliness of the city that you don't see in the surrounding cities.

We are happy that just about every store or restaurant is Arab and halal (Islamically permitted), we are happy our Shariah marriages are recognized, we have no shortage of Shariah compliant banks, dealers, and ever car dealerships, and many Shariah funeral homes... what else do we need? We have it all that we need to allow us to live a Shariah compliant life style which is why many never step foot out side of Dearborn because they have all they need here.

We don't want censorship or told what books and magazines we can have or sell in our stores. This guy is not even a Dearborn resident he lives in Westland so he needs to stay his ass in Westland because we are happy with the way our city is now.

Ednarooni160
by Eds on Mar. 17, 2014 at 11:18 AM


Quoting Billiejeens:

 Not really, see that little blue linky thingy up in the OP?

It takes you to the story.

DEARBORN — This week's city council meeting started out on a positive note as the city honored former Seattle Seahawks assistant coach and Dearborn native Robert Saleh for his recent Super Bowl victory. However, the atmosphere at City Hall took a bizarre turn after a local Arab American confronted the council on what he said were "troubling issues in the city."
Saleh accepts honors from the city with family and friends.
The meeting kicked off with Mayor Jack O'Reilly giving Saleh a key to the city as well as a proclamation in front of his family and friends. Saleh, who grew up in the city and graduated from Fordson High School, was a defensive quality control coach for the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks. He recently accepted another offer with the NFL’s Jacksonville Jaguars to be their linebackers coach. O’Reilly said the presentation was the city’s way of showing that “our hearts are with him."
The highlight of the evening came at the very end during the public comment section, when a local Arab American took the podium to address concerns he had with the city. The man, who identified himself as Hassan, stated that he lived in Westland but had concerns he wanted to address as an individual who works in the city. He refused to publicly give his address fearing for the safety of his family.
After referencing Prophet Muhammad and loudly chanting Islamic prayers, Hassan said that the city needed to monitor neighborhood parks around the clock because people have been using them to conduct sexual activities. Council President Susan Dabaja, however, told him that the city doesn't have the resources or money for increased security at parks and asked him to move on to his next point.
Hassan also stated that there were magazines and newspapers at the public libraries and civic center that can "cause colossal damage to a child's health," asking the city to review and monitor literature before they are distributed. Dabaja cited that freedom of speech laws exist and that parents, not the city, should monitor what their children read.
"These issues are not relevant to this body," Councilman Thomas Tafelski added, looking frustrated.
Hassan was told he needed to speed up his message to the council because, according to council rules, an individual is limited to three minutes of speaking time during the public comments portion of the meeting. Hassan proceeded to address concerns he has regarding discrimination against Arabs in the city. He cited his current place of employment as an example. 
"There is no political correctness contained and there is so much harassment towards Muslims and Arabs," Hassan said. 
Dabaja, however, was quick to tell him that his points were out of line and not issues that the council usually tackles.
"If you have concerns about your supervisor, then go ahead and seek the advice of legal counsel. This is not something that we as a body can address," Dabaja stated before telling the individual that his time on the floor had expired.
Garage ordinance reading approved
A focus of the evening was an amendment to the garage use ordinance, a heavily debated topic amongst residents over the last year. While the item did generate some debate during the meeting, it was met with little to no resistance from residents in attendance, after which the council officially approved the first reading in a 6-0 vote. Absent from the meeting was councilman Brian O'Donnell. 
The final reading for the ordinance is set to take place on Tuesday, March 4, at which point the council will likely vote to approve or deny it. 
The city had aimed to change the language in the ordinance to reflect modern day use of residential garages. Restricting residents from using the garage as "habitual space or for commercial purposes" was added to the zoning ordinance in the section titled "Accessory Buildings and Structures."
According to the city, the new ordinance will prevent residents from living, cooking and sleeping in their garages, citing that  such activity could be a safety hazard. The new law will also serve to limit residents parking their vehicles in neighborhood streets. It emphasizes that garages and driveways must now have enough room to park two vehicles. 
In recent years, the city has expressed concern that it has been difficult for emergency vehicles to operate in neighborhoods efficiently because residents have been parking their cars in the street instead of their garages or driveways.
Another change to the ordinance states that every garage must now have an overhead  retractable door in order to allow a car to enter and exit it.
One resident who lives on Orchard Street in east Dearborn asked if he would be in any legal trouble because he installed a sliding glass door in place of an overheard retractable door, like many others in the city. Councilman David Bazzy told the resident that a sliding glass door could be a safety hazard because a fire or explosion could cause the glass to shatter and harm people within close radius. 
The resident added that his family frequently uses the garage because they don't want to smoke in the house and he feels they are not breaking any laws by doing so. The council told the man to seek advice from an attorney in order to make sure he’s in compliance with city codes.
Following his time at the podium, another woman who lives on Orchard Street told the council that she lives right across the street from the man who spoke before her and she believes his family is a disturbance to the entire neighborhood because of their frequent garage use.
"They have a lot of company...cars are parked on the street constantly. My husband is very sick right now and I had to call the ambulance the other night, and there's just no way for them to get around. They are there until 12:30 or 1:30 [a.m.], and every time they leave they have to honk the horn, which is very disturbing for people who are trying to go to bed early. They have a fire in their garage every night. They have a finished basement and a sunroom," said Dorothy Cliss. 
The ordinance gained national attention in 2013, with numerous media outlets reporting that it was a case of cultural clash. Arab American households have increasingly been using their garages for social purposes, but the city council has pointed out that the issue is not a cultural problem. Councilman David Bazzy stated last year that Italian American residents have also been using their garages for similar non-traditional purposes. 
Resident Lee Jacobson told the council that he attended all the study sessions for the amendment of the ordinance, but he still disagrees with the new language. Jacobson told the council that Henry Ford used to build projects in his garage in Dearborn, and it is ironic that the city is now preventing residents from having the freedom of using their own garages. 
However, councilman Tom Tafelski was quick to note that Jacobson runs an eBay business out of his his garage, where he stores the products. Tafelski said that the new ordinance would not conflict with his business. 
Councilman Robert Abraham said that there seems to be a misconception about the garage ordinance as the city's goal is to not prohibit residents from using them, but rather to change the rules so that the ordinance reflects modern times. 
"The objective of this ordinance is actually not to be more restrictive, but to actually give more latitude in a safe manner. This ordinance actually gives homeowners the ability to do more in their garage. It's our response due to changes in lifestyle. People are using their garage differently than they did in 1940 or 1950," Abraham said.
Residents can read the details of the current garage ordinance before the new version is approved by visiting the city's website at http://www.cityofdearborn.org/city-departments/law and clicking the Ordinances tab.  




That garage law is kind of sad because a lot of people do cakes, etc.to sell from home... Used to be people used basements but many people are not buying houses with basements these days. I wonder if the now business owners are grandfathered in or not.

Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Mar. 17, 2014 at 11:20 AM

 

Quoting Ednarooni160:

 

Quoting Billiejeens:

 Not really, see that little blue linky thingy up in the OP?

It takes you to the story.

DEARBORN — This week's city council meeting started out on a positive note as the city honored former Seattle Seahawks assistant coach and Dearborn native Robert Saleh for his recent Super Bowl victory. However, the atmosphere at City Hall took a bizarre turn after a local Arab American confronted the council on what he said were "troubling issues in the city."
Saleh accepts honors from the city with family and friends.
The meeting kicked off with Mayor Jack O'Reilly giving Saleh a key to the city as well as a proclamation in front of his family and friends. Saleh, who grew up in the city and graduated from Fordson High School, was a defensive quality control coach for the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks. He recently accepted another offer with the NFL’s Jacksonville Jaguars to be their linebackers coach. O’Reilly said the presentation was the city’s way of showing that “our hearts are with him."
The highlight of the evening came at the very end during the public comment section, when a local Arab American took the podium to address concerns he had with the city. The man, who identified himself as Hassan, stated that he lived in Westland but had concerns he wanted to address as an individual who works in the city. He refused to publicly give his address fearing for the safety of his family.
After referencing Prophet Muhammad and loudly chanting Islamic prayers, Hassan said that the city needed to monitor neighborhood parks around the clock because people have been using them to conduct sexual activities. Council President Susan Dabaja, however, told him that the city doesn't have the resources or money for increased security at parks and asked him to move on to his next point.
Hassan also stated that there were magazines and newspapers at the public libraries and civic center that can "cause colossal damage to a child's health," asking the city to review and monitor literature before they are distributed. Dabaja cited that freedom of speech laws exist and that parents, not the city, should monitor what their children read.
"These issues are not relevant to this body," Councilman Thomas Tafelski added, looking frustrated.
Hassan was told he needed to speed up his message to the council because, according to council rules, an individual is limited to three minutes of speaking time during the public comments portion of the meeting. Hassan proceeded to address concerns he has regarding discrimination against Arabs in the city. He cited his current place of employment as an example. 
"There is no political correctness contained and there is so much harassment towards Muslims and Arabs," Hassan said. 
Dabaja, however, was quick to tell him that his points were out of line and not issues that the council usually tackles.
"If you have concerns about your supervisor, then go ahead and seek the advice of legal counsel. This is not something that we as a body can address," Dabaja stated before telling the individual that his time on the floor had expired.
Garage ordinance reading approved
A focus of the evening was an amendment to the garage use ordinance, a heavily debated topic amongst residents over the last year. While the item did generate some debate during the meeting, it was met with little to no resistance from residents in attendance, after which the council officially approved the first reading in a 6-0 vote. Absent from the meeting was councilman Brian O'Donnell. 
The final reading for the ordinance is set to take place on Tuesday, March 4, at which point the council will likely vote to approve or deny it. 
The city had aimed to change the language in the ordinance to reflect modern day use of residential garages. Restricting residents from using the garage as "habitual space or for commercial purposes" was added to the zoning ordinance in the section titled "Accessory Buildings and Structures."
According to the city, the new ordinance will prevent residents from living, cooking and sleeping in their garages, citing that  such activity could be a safety hazard. The new law will also serve to limit residents parking their vehicles in neighborhood streets. It emphasizes that garages and driveways must now have enough room to park two vehicles. 
In recent years, the city has expressed concern that it has been difficult for emergency vehicles to operate in neighborhoods efficiently because residents have been parking their cars in the street instead of their garages or driveways.
Another change to the ordinance states that every garage must now have an overhead  retractable door in order to allow a car to enter and exit it.
One resident who lives on Orchard Street in east Dearborn asked if he would be in any legal trouble because he installed a sliding glass door in place of an overheard retractable door, like many others in the city. Councilman David Bazzy told the resident that a sliding glass door could be a safety hazard because a fire or explosion could cause the glass to shatter and harm people within close radius. 
The resident added that his family frequently uses the garage because they don't want to smoke in the house and he feels they are not breaking any laws by doing so. The council told the man to seek advice from an attorney in order to make sure he’s in compliance with city codes.
Following his time at the podium, another woman who lives on Orchard Street told the council that she lives right across the street from the man who spoke before her and she believes his family is a disturbance to the entire neighborhood because of their frequent garage use.
"They have a lot of company...cars are parked on the street constantly. My husband is very sick right now and I had to call the ambulance the other night, and there's just no way for them to get around. They are there until 12:30 or 1:30 [a.m.], and every time they leave they have to honk the horn, which is very disturbing for people who are trying to go to bed early. They have a fire in their garage every night. They have a finished basement and a sunroom," said Dorothy Cliss. 
The ordinance gained national attention in 2013, with numerous media outlets reporting that it was a case of cultural clash. Arab American households have increasingly been using their garages for social purposes, but the city council has pointed out that the issue is not a cultural problem. Councilman David Bazzy stated last year that Italian American residents have also been using their garages for similar non-traditional purposes. 
Resident Lee Jacobson told the council that he attended all the study sessions for the amendment of the ordinance, but he still disagrees with the new language. Jacobson told the council that Henry Ford used to build projects in his garage in Dearborn, and it is ironic that the city is now preventing residents from having the freedom of using their own garages. 
However, councilman Tom Tafelski was quick to note that Jacobson runs an eBay business out of his his garage, where he stores the products. Tafelski said that the new ordinance would not conflict with his business. 
Councilman Robert Abraham said that there seems to be a misconception about the garage ordinance as the city's goal is to not prohibit residents from using them, but rather to change the rules so that the ordinance reflects modern times. 
"The objective of this ordinance is actually not to be more restrictive, but to actually give more latitude in a safe manner. This ordinance actually gives homeowners the ability to do more in their garage. It's our response due to changes in lifestyle. People are using their garage differently than they did in 1940 or 1950," Abraham said.
Residents can read the details of the current garage ordinance before the new version is approved by visiting the city's website at http://www.cityofdearborn.org/city-departments/law and clicking the Ordinances tab.  

 

 

 

That garage law is kind of sad because a lot of people docakes, etc.to sell from home... Used to be people used basements but many people are not buying houses with basements these days. I wonder if the now business owners are grandfathered in or not.

 Good point.

4everMuslim
by Member on Mar. 17, 2014 at 11:46 AM

 

Quoting Canvas_says: Not surprised given the very large population of Muslims in Michigan.

 Well surprise surprise... it's not true. It's one person who 99% of our city would not agree with in which he does not even live in our city... surprise!!!!!

Canvas_says
by Silver Member on Mar. 17, 2014 at 11:52 AM
???? I never said anything about where he is from our how many people support his wishes. However, Michigan does have one of the largest populations of Muslims in the states. And even at 1% it makes for a large number of fringe that will continue to work towards their ideals. Afterall it's the fringe that gets the story.

Quoting 4everMuslim:

 


Quoting Canvas_says: Not surprised given the very large population of Muslims in Michigan.

 Well surprise surprise... it's not true. It's one person who 99% of our city would not agree with in which he does not even live in our city... surprise!!!!!

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