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The U.S. Navy Just Announced The End Of Big Oil And No One Noticed

Posted by on Apr. 13, 2014 at 8:21 PM
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Surf’s up! The Navy appears to have achieved the Holy Grail of energy independence – turning seawater into fuel:
After decades of experiments, U.S. Navy scientists believe they may have solved one of the world’s great challenges: how to turn seawater into fuel.

The new fuel is initially expected to cost around $3 to $6 per gallon, according to the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory, which has already flown a model aircraft on it.
Curiously, this doesn’t seem to be making much of a splash (no pun intended) on the evening news. Let’s repeat this: The United States Navy has figured out how to turn seawater into fuel and it will cost about the same as gasoline.
This technology is in its infancy and it’s already this cheap? What happens when it’s refined and perfected? Oil is only getting more expensive as the easy-to-reach deposits are tapped so this truly is, as it’s being called, a “game changer.”
I expect the GOP to go ballistic over this and try to legislate it out of existence. It’s a threat to their fossil fuel masters because it will cost them trillions in profits. It’s also “green” technology and Republicans will despise it on those grounds alone. They already have a track record of trying to do this. Unfortunately, once this kind of genie is out of the bottle, it’s very hard to put back in.
There are two other aspects to this story that have not been brought up yet:
1. The process pulls carbon dioxide (the greenhouse gas driving Climate Change) out of the ocean. One of the less well-publicized aspects of Climate Change is that the ocean acts like a sponge for CO2 and it’s just about reached its safe limit. The ocean is steadily becoming more acidic from all of the increased carbon dioxide. This in turn poisons delicate ecosystems like coral reefs that keep the ocean healthy.
If we pull out massive amounts of CO2, even if we burn it again, not all of it will make it back into the water. Hell, we could even pull some of it and not use it in order to return the ocean to a sustainable level. That, in turn will help pull more of the excess CO2 out of the air even as we put it back. It would be the ultimate in recycling.
2. This will devastate oil rich countries but it will get us the hell out of the Middle East (another reason Republicans will oppose this). Let’s be honest, we’re not in the Middle East for humanitarian reasons. We’re there for oil. Period. We spend trillions to secure our access to it and fight a “war” on terrorism. Take away our need to be there and, suddenly, justifying our overseas adventures gets a lot harder to sell.
And if we “leak” the technology? Every dictator propped up by oil will tumble almost overnight. Yes, it will be a bloody mess but we won’t be pissing away the lives of our military to keep scumbags in power. Let those countries figure out who they want to be without billionaire thugs and their mercenary armies running the show.
Why this is not a huge major story mystifies me. I’m curious to see how it all plays out so stay tuned.
UPDATE:

People have been asking for more details about the process. This is from the Naval Research Laboratory’s official press release:
Using an innovative and proprietary NRL electrolytic cation exchange module (E-CEM), both dissolved and bound CO2 are removed from seawater at 92 percent efficiency by re-equilibrating carbonate and bicarbonate to CO2 and simultaneously producing H2. The gases are then converted to liquid hydrocarbons by a metal catalyst in a reactor system.
In plain English, fuel is made from hydrocarbons (hydrogen and carbon). This process pulls both hydrogen and carbon from seawater and recombines them to make fuel. The process can be used on air as well but seawater holds about 140 times more carbon dioxide in it so it’s better suited for carbon collection.
Another detail people seem to be confused about: This is essentially a carbon neutral process. The ocean is like a sponge for carbon dioxide in the air and currently has an excess amount dissolved in it. The process pulls carbon dioxide out of the ocean. It’s converted and burned as fuel. This releases the carbon dioxide back into the air which is then reabsorbed by the ocean. Rinse. Repeat

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/04/12/navy-ends-big-oil/
by on Apr. 13, 2014 at 8:21 PM
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shuturpiehole
by Member on Apr. 13, 2014 at 10:29 PM
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Hmmm I wonder why its not on every news station??? Think about it for a minute....
SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Apr. 13, 2014 at 11:25 PM
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Celestial - The reason this hasn't hit the news is that the efficiency isn't there yet. It's not $3-6 per gallon. More like twice that.

And it's jet fuel, not all fuel.

And if Obama will get off his butt and out of the way of natural gas drilling, that will make us energy independent almost overnight.

And don't worry -  the Navy guys and gals that invented the seawater jet fuel process are conservatives, by a 40 point margin.  They are happy to share their invention with you, even though you hate conservatives and the military.

grandmab125
by Platinum Member on Apr. 14, 2014 at 1:52 AM
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 Just another addictinginfo piece of tripe that stinks to high heaven.

idunno1234
by Silver Member on Apr. 14, 2014 at 8:06 AM
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i think there are a ton of potentially globe changing (for the better) technologies that will never see the light of day until every last bit of fossil fuel is squeezed from this planet.....the stakes are too high for those invested in extracting that crap, often at a huge environmental cost but even greater profits.

Clairwil
by Platinum Member on Apr. 14, 2014 at 11:09 AM


Quoting -Celestial-:

 The U.S. Navy Just Announced The End Of Big Oil

*sigh*

If you are a nuclear powered aircraft carrier, that has to have jet fuel for your aircraft shipped in from half way around the world, then it is VERY useful to be able to use some of your spare electricity to create jet fuel via reverse osmosis.

But it isn't the end of big oil, because to use this process to fuel jet fuel burning power stations on land would require more nuclear power stations to supply them, than it would take to just have the nuclear power stations supply the grid directly.

http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/news-releases/2012/fueling-the-fleet-navy-looks-to-the-seas

Clairwil
by Platinum Member on Apr. 14, 2014 at 11:17 AM


Quoting idunno1234:

i think there are a ton of potentially globe changing (for the better) technologies that will never see the light of day until every last bit of fossil fuel is squeezed from this planet.....the stakes are too high for those invested in extracting that crap, often at a huge environmental cost but even greater profits.

One promising candidate is biofuel made from seaweed.   It is a lot further along the development chain.  Instead of just enough to fuel a model aeroplane, they're building a plant that will produce 1,200,000 litres of fuel a year.

And I think you're being overly pessimistic.   Despite the people who don't care about the world their children and grandchildren will have to live in, who keep saying things like "Don't make the fossil fuel producers in my country pay the price of taking responsibility for the problems they've caused", the chickens are slowly returning home to roost.

mjmorrison
by Member on Apr. 14, 2014 at 8:00 PM

but Obama's EPA won't let anybody use it.

BaronSamedi
by Bronze Member on Apr. 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM

  Simple there are other processes that conver sea water to fuel.  But none are working at scale.  Plus this is to be used aboard ship not on land.  While the maritime fleets will in time if this works ,employ this technique it has serious side effects to the economy.  It would make shipping cheaper withc is one reason to keep it secret or does one suppose more offshoring of American jobs a good thing.

PsMama717
by on Apr. 15, 2014 at 11:23 AM

It was on the news where I live but I live in a huge Navy town. But they haven't perfected it yet. See the first post on this string.

Quoting -Celestial-: Surf’s up! The Navy appears to have achieved the Holy Grail of energy independence – turning seawater into fuel: After decades of experiments, U.S. Navy scientists believe they may have solved one of the world’s great challenges: how to turn seawater into fuel. … The new fuel is initially expected to cost around $3 to $6 per gallon, according to the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory, which has already flown a model aircraft on it. Curiously, this doesn’t seem to be making much of a splash (no pun intended) on the evening news. Let’s repeat this: The United States Navy has figured out how to turn seawater into fuel and it will cost about the same as gasoline. This technology is in its infancy and it’s already this cheap? What happens when it’s refined and perfected? Oil is only getting more expensive as the easy-to-reach deposits are tapped so this truly is, as it’s being called, a “game changer.” I expect the GOP to go ballistic over this and try to legislate it out of existence. It’s a threat to their fossil fuel masters because it will cost them trillions in profits. It’s also “green” technology and Republicans will despise it on those grounds alone. They already have a track record of trying to do this. Unfortunately, once this kind of genie is out of the bottle, it’s very hard to put back in. There are two other aspects to this story that have not been brought up yet: 1. The process pulls carbon dioxide (the greenhouse gas driving Climate Change) out of the ocean. One of the less well-publicized aspects of Climate Change is that the ocean acts like a sponge for CO2 and it’s just about reached its safe limit. The ocean is steadily becoming more acidic from all of the increased carbon dioxide. This in turn poisons delicate ecosystems like coral reefs that keep the ocean healthy. If we pull out massive amounts of CO2, even if we burn it again, not all of it will make it back into the water. Hell, we could even pull some of it and not use it in order to return the ocean to a sustainable level. That, in turn will help pull more of the excess CO2 out of the air even as we put it back. It would be the ultimate in recycling. 2. This will devastate oil rich countries but it will get us the hell out of the Middle East (another reason Republicans will oppose this). Let’s be honest, we’re not in the Middle East for humanitarian reasons. We’re there for oil. Period. We spend trillions to secure our access to it and fight a “war” on terrorism. Take away our need to be there and, suddenly, justifying our overseas adventures gets a lot harder to sell. And if we “leak” the technology? Every dictator propped up by oil will tumble almost overnight. Yes, it will be a bloody mess but we won’t be pissing away the lives of our military to keep scumbags in power. Let those countries figure out who they want to be without billionaire thugs and their mercenary armies running the show. Why this is not a huge major story mystifies me. I’m curious to see how it all plays out so stay tuned. UPDATE: People have been asking for more details about the process. This is from the Naval Research Laboratory’s official press release: Using an innovative and proprietary NRL electrolytic cation exchange module (E-CEM), both dissolved and bound CO2 are removed from seawater at 92 percent efficiency by re-equilibrating carbonate and bicarbonate to CO2 and simultaneously producing H2. The gases are then converted to liquid hydrocarbons by a metal catalyst in a reactor system. In plain English, fuel is made from hydrocarbons (hydrogen and carbon). This process pulls both hydrogen and carbon from seawater and recombines them to make fuel. The process can be used on air as well but seawater holds about 140 times more carbon dioxide in it so it’s better suited for carbon collection. Another detail people seem to be confused about: This is essentially a carbon neutral process. The ocean is like a sponge for carbon dioxide in the air and currently has an excess amount dissolved in it. The process pulls carbon dioxide out of the ocean. It’s converted and burned as fuel. This releases the carbon dioxide back into the air which is then reabsorbed by the ocean. Rinse. Repeat http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/04/12/navy-ends-big-oil/


itsmesteph11
by Silver Member on Apr. 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Even though you are just a bit off the facts there in your story, if it did ever come to fruition for our uses we GOP in Tx and other Gulf states would be thrilled to add another plentiful fuel source to what makes our states so profitable.  I'm sure the Libs would find some way to make it sound unsafe.  

Did you know there are several kinds of oil? Will this "magic water" replace petroleum that goes into nearly everything that uses the plastic made from it? From the car parts, to electronics to things like toothpaste and shampoo that we use every day. Thousands of items that are produced with one kind of oil or another.  

This will never replace oil. It would give those horrible oil producing countries something else to spy on us to find. You know they have access to Oceans too. 

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