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Sorry GOP, Most Americans Are Paying Their Obamacare Bills On Time

Posted by on May. 8, 2014 at 7:58 AM
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The latest Republican attack on Obamacare has just been debunked.

A high percentage of enrollees in the Affordable Care Act, President Barack Obama's signature health-care-reform law, have paid their bills on time, health-insurance companies say. That adds legitimacy to the administration's claim that more than 8 million people have signed up for Obamacare, debunking a recent GOP survey -- meant to shoot holes in the administration's numbers -- which suggested that a large percentage of that 8 million still hadn't paid for insurance.

WellPoint, one of the largest U.S. insurers, said that, of the people who signed up for plans through Obamacare's exchanges during the first enrollment period, up to 90 percent have paid their bills on time. The company released this data in testimony prepared for a Congressional hearing on Wednesday.

"We are seeing strong membership growth and large percentages of our newly enrolled customers are successfully paying their premiums by the due date," Dennis Matheis, who is responsible for WellPoint's exchange strategy, wrote in the testimony. WellPoint sells insurance under several brands, including its own, Anthem Blue Cross, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield, Empire BlueCross BlueShield, and Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Georgia.

An Aetna executive will testify that a little more than 80 percent of that company's Obamacare customers have paid their bills by their due date.

Paul Wingle, Aetna's executive director of individual business and public exchange operations and strategy, explained that some enrollees -- for instance, those whose plans have an effective date of June 1 -- haven't paid their bills because they aren't due yet.

Insurers also warn that some of the more than 8 million people the administration claims have enrolled in Obamacare might be duplicates. Still, these numbers directly contradict a survey the GOP used last week to advance its claim that people who had signed up for insurance under the ACE weren't paying for it. That survey, which found that only 67 percent of enrollees had paid their first premiums, ignored that payment deadlines hadn't yet passed for all new enrollees.

"The survey was so incredibly rigged to produce this result, it was a joke," an unnamed person who works for a company surveyed by the GOP told Talking Points Memo last week. Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize-winning economist and New York Times columnist, also called the survey "rigged."

When asked to comment on the GOP survey, Matt Wiggin, a spokesperson from Aetna, said the company's testimony speaks for itself. A representative from WellPoint did not immediately respond to the Huffington Post's request for comment.

Hat tip: Bloomberg, New York Times
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-Celestial-
by Platinum Member on May. 8, 2014 at 9:02 AM
WellPoint, one of the largest U.S. insurers, said that, of the people who signed up for plans through Obamacare's exchanges during the first enrollment period, up to 90 percent have paid their bills on time. The company released this data in testimony prepared for a Congressional hearing on Wednesday.

"We are seeing strong membership growth and large percentages of our newly enrolled customers are successfully paying their premiums by the due date," Dennis Matheis, who is responsible for WellPoint's exchange strategy, wrote in the testimony.
SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on May. 8, 2014 at 4:19 PM
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I guess we'll find out when the numbers are official in a few months, huh, Celestial?

Since the government can't give us a definitive answer at this time one way or the other. 

Since Aetna is only one insurer for Obamacare.

The survey gave an estimate. Aetna gave their number, but they're only one of what, 20+ insurers?

I say we can only estimate with estimated numbers, and can only give a definitive number when the definitive numbers are available in a couple months.


grandmab125
by Platinum Member on May. 8, 2014 at 7:54 PM

 Another made up number coming from Obama and his admin.  To begin with, we all know they lie about everything.  Did you know that in that trumped up number they are also counting children and babies as people who have signed up?  Not just the adults.  They are also counting all of the people who qualified to go on Medicaid.  Medicaid is not a part of Obamacare.

Quoting SallyMJ:

I guess we'll find out when the numbers are official in a few months, huh, Celestial?

Since the government can't give us a definitive answer one way or the other.

Since Aetna is only one insurer for Obamacare.

The survey gave an estimate. Aetna gave their number, but they're only one of what,  twenty?

I say we can only estimate with estimated numbers, and can only give a definitive number when the definitive numbers are available in a couple months.

 

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on May. 8, 2014 at 8:01 PM
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Exactly.

All their data is full of lies.

To switch topics, the only reason we know about the Ben Rhodes Benghazi Talking Points email is because it apparently was earlier not classified and then mistakenly classified. Something like that. If they hadn't been incompetent about that, we would never have uncovered that email.

They've had 2 years to make things and people disappear.

Quoting grandmab125:

 Another made up number coming from Obama and his admin.  To begin with, we all know they lie about everything.  Did you know that in that trumped up number they are also counting children and babies as people who have signed up?  Not just the adults.  They are also counting all of the people who qualified to go on Medicaid.  Medicaid is not a part of Obamacare.

Quoting SallyMJ:

I guess we'll find out when the numbers are official in a few months, huh, Celestial?

Since the government can't give us a definitive answer one way or the other.

Since Aetna is only one insurer for Obamacare.

The survey gave an estimate. Aetna gave their number, but they're only one of what,  twenty?

I say we can only estimate with estimated numbers, and can only give a definitive number when the definitive numbers are available in a couple months.

 


PamR
by Platinum Member on May. 8, 2014 at 8:21 PM
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Can you show some data that refutes those numbers?

grandmab125
by Platinum Member on May. 9, 2014 at 12:42 AM

 Can you show any data to prove those numbers are correct?  Nah, didn't think so.  All you have to go on is what the Admin says, and since you believe everything that comes out of this admin.......

They don't have any proof either.  The just pull numbers out of their collective asses all of the time.  Think.....unemployment numbers that are trumped up all of the time.

Quoting PamR:

Can you show some data that refutes those numbers?

 

1stmuslimah
by Gold Member on May. 9, 2014 at 1:30 AM
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 Tampered or not which could be a possibility the first thing that came to my mind is just because people are paying up and doing what the bill requires of them does not necessarily mean they are happy about it or at all in support of it.

Then average American person/household are law abiding, tax paying citizens and in agreement or not if it's the law they will do what they are required by law to do until they have a chance to in their hopes vote it out.

The average law abiding citizens is not going to put them self into some kind situation that would bring them a problem even if it is something as minor consequence of a fine being going against the legal system just is not part of who they are.

That was the first thing that came to my mind anyways which really makes the fact or fiction of the percentage in support unable to determine based the numbers of people doing what they are supposed to do... pay their bills. To most people who give a crap about their quality of life style there credit reports and scores they  are a very important issue for them and something they don't and wont allow it to be effected by not paying their bills and obligations and where taxes are concerned they really don't want to bring such problems on themselves.

I bet a huge % write out that check with their teeth clinched in anger though.

Quoting grandmab125:

 Another made up number coming from Obama and his admin.  To begin with, we all know they lie about everything.  Did you know that in that trumped up number they are also counting children and babies as people who have signed up?  Not just the adults.  They are also counting all of the people who qualified to go on Medicaid.  Medicaid is not a part of Obamacare.

Quoting SallyMJ:

I guess we'll find out when the numbers are official in a few months, huh, Celestial?

Since the government can't give us a definitive answer one way or the other.

Since Aetna is only one insurer for Obamacare.

The survey gave an estimate. Aetna gave their number, but they're only one of what,  twenty?

I say we can only estimate with estimated numbers, and can only give a definitive number when the definitive numbers are available in a couple months.

 

 

 




 



 


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TappyToes
by Bronze Member on May. 9, 2014 at 2:14 PM


Quoting grandmab125:

 Can you show any data to prove those numbers are correct?  Nah, didn't think so.  All you have to go on is what the Admin says, and since you believe everything that comes out of this admin.......

They don't have any proof either.  The just pull numbers out of their collective asses all of the time.  Think.....unemployment numbers that are trumped up all of the time.

Quoting PamR:

Can you show some data that refutes those numbers?

 Dear One,

You might want to READ the piece before you respond.  These statements came from the insurance companies, not the administration.  
Since the program is in private business hands, the administration has to WAIT til the insurance companies supply the numbers. 
confused


grandmab125
by Platinum Member on May. 9, 2014 at 2:43 PM

 Dear one.  You might want to reread that article.  That 800M number is from Obama's admin, not the insurance companies.

Wellpoint and Aetna, do not all insurance companies make.  This Pollyanna article is attempting to make it look as if all insurance companies are reporting that 80% or 90 % of their enrollees have paid.  Funny, how those insurance companies have  not disclosed exactly how many enrollees they have.  90% of not nearly as many as are needed to keep this albatross afloat, isn't really a success.

Quoting TappyToes:

 

Quoting grandmab125:

 Can you show any data to prove those numbers are correct?  Nah, didn't think so.  All you have to go on is what the Admin says, and since you believe everything that comes out of this admin.......

They don't have any proof either.  The just pull numbers out of their collective asses all of the time.  Think.....unemployment numbers that are trumped up all of the time.

Quoting PamR:

Can you show some data that refutes those numbers?

 Dear One,

You might want to READ the piece before you respond.  These statements came from the insurance companies, not the administration.  
Since the program is in private business hands, the administration has to WAIT til the insurance companies supply the numbers. 
confused

 

 

MsDenuninani
by Bronze Member on May. 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM

 Read the post again.

It's not the administration saying this, it's the insurance companies.

Also, no, the 8 million number of enrollees does not include the number of Medicaid enrollments, as you claim the Admin was claiming in an earlier post.

Quoting grandmab125:

 Can you show any data to prove those numbers are correct?  Nah, didn't think so.  All you have to go on is what the Admin says, and since you believe everything that comes out of this admin.......

They don't have any proof either.  The just pull numbers out of their collective asses all of the time.  Think.....unemployment numbers that are trumped up all of the time.

Quoting PamR:

Can you show some data that refutes those numbers?

 

 

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