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I thought Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq? According to some.

Posted by on Jun. 14, 2014 at 8:55 AM
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/14/extortion-bank-robbery-fuel-isis-bloody-drive-to-establish-sharia-caliphate/

Long before it looted the Iraqi central bank in Mosul of $429 million, the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant/Syria (ISIS) was well-funded in its quest to establish a Shariah caliphate, thanks to a raging criminal enterprise of extortion, bank robbery and petty theft, as well as donations from well-heeled sponsors throughout the Arab world, according to experts. 

The latest payday - gained when the jihadist group led by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi overran Iraq's second largest city and emptied the vaults of cash and gold bullion - swelled already healthy coffers and made ISIS, by some estimations, the world's richest terrorist organization. The group also seized U.S.-made tanks, Blackhawk helicopters, cargo planes and an unknown quantity of guns, all part of a $14 billion arsenal the U.S. sold or donated to the beleaguered Iraqi security forces.

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The money and weapons are already helping ISIS in its ferocious bid to carve out a nation governed by strict and merciless Shariah law in northern Iraq and northwestern Syria. The group already sees itself as an independent state with large swaths of the two battle-scarred nations, areas it now controls and is bent on expanding. The "Levant" incorporated into the group's name historically refers to an eastern Mediterranean area that also includes parts of Lebanon, Israel, Jordan and Cypus, though it's unclear exactly what territory the organization has designs on.

"As they see it, they're a state and so they're entitled to tax the population in accordance with Islamic law and to use resources for the common good as long as they don't infringe on property protections specified in the Quran."

- Aron Lund, Middle East expert

Aron Lund, a Stockholm-based Middle East expert and author of two books on Syrian militias and opposition politics, said ISIS has long gotten funding from ideological sympathizers throughout the wider region. They also enriched themselves after wading into Syria's bloody civil war, seizing territory including oil fields and setting up border checkpoints where they make truckers pay tolls, he said.

But much of their funding comes from what they consider "taxes and voluntary contributions," but others likely consider extortion and protection money, Lund said.

"As they see it, they're a state and so they're entitled to tax the population in accordance with Islamic law and to use resources for the common good as long as they don't infringe on property protections specified in the Quran," Lund told FoxNews.com. "And by the common good, they mean their war."

Experts said it's impossible to gauge how many fighters ISIS counts, but as they roll through Iraq, terrorizing and pillaging the war-torn nation, the numbers are swelling. Lund said other Sunni rebel groups, alienated by Baghdad's refusal to include them in the mainly Shi'ite government, are joining. They likely don't pay their fighters wages, but they do need money to fund their metastasizing operation.

"When you have volunteer fighters who work for free and live ascetically, and you plunder weapons and ammunition out of government stockpiles, that cuts down on costs pretty dramatically," Lund said. "But they still have expenses, of course, both military and civilian, including lots of local charity projects to win hearts and minds where they've seized control."

Money trickles in to ISIS accounts from sympathizing Sunnis in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait, according to Jonathan Schanzer, a former terrorism finance analyst at the U.S. Department of the Treasury and currently vice president of research at Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

"In some cases, there may even be funds originating from shadowy Al Qaeda figures inside Iran, he said. "This is complicated, to put it mildly.

"Apart from this traditional patron-client model, we also continue to see small-time criminal activity, including petty crimes and shakedowns where ISIS operates," Schanzer added.

By some estimates, looting the national bank in Mosul made ISIS the wealthiest terrorist organization in the world. The website MoneyJihad estimates that the Taliban has between $70 million and $400 million under its control, while groups like Hezbollah, Hamas and Al Qaeda operate on far less. British-based terrorism blogger Brown Moses observed that ISIS' bank haul could "buy a whole lot of jihad."

"For example, with $425 million, ISIS could pay 60,000 fighters around $600 a month for a year," Brown Moses tweeted.

The entire cost to Al Qaeda of the 9/11 attacks has been estimated at less than $30 million. With plenty of cash and their ranks growing, ISIS is poised to expand the territory it already controls, from Raqqah, Syria, to the west to Jalula, Iraq, to the east.

ISIS was known as Al Qaeda in Iraq until 2006, when it rebranded itself as ISIS. Its popularity grew in part out of opposition to the presence of U.S. forces, then swelled as the split between the Sunni sect of former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein clashed with the Shi'ite administration led by current Prime  Minister Nuri al-Maliki. Abu Bakr al Baghdadi became the organization's leader in 2010 after founder Abu Omar al Baghdadi was killed in a joint U.S.-Iraqi operation.

 

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1stmuslimah
by Gold Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Yesterday evening they were supposedly waiting 30 miles out side of Baghdad and he Nation Republican Guard of Iran was supposed coming to take advantage  or I mean coming to the rescue. I don't  know what happened there. I'm gonna have to go back up stairs and listened to the Arabic news because I have about all can stand of these made up words like "Islamist, jihadist" makes me feel like if they don't know what's a word from what isn't how they can even know what they are talking about.

I don't know why it's all of a sudden something to talk about. They have been there. The have been there every since USA put control right in the hands of the Shaih and they came in trying to take control from them. 

This why my brother got trapped there last last July and a 3 week marriage visit turned into almost 2months. 

Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM
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Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Yesterday evening they were supposedly waiting 30 miles out side of Baghdad and he Nation Republican Guard of Iran was supposed coming to take advantage  or I mean coming to the rescue. I don't  know what happened there. I'm gonna have to go back up stairs and listened to the Arabic news because I have about all can stand of these made up words like "Islamist, jihadist" makes me feel like if they don't know what's a word from what isn't how they can even know what they are talking about.


I don't know why it's all of a sudden something to talk about. They have been there. The have been there every since USA put control right in the hands of the Shaih and they came in trying to take control from them. 


This why my brother got trapped there last last July and a 3 week marriage visit turned into almost 2months. 



Keep us as up to date as you can, please.

1stmuslimah
by Gold Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 11:45 AM
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Quoting Billiejeens:
Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Yesterday evening they were supposedly waiting 30 miles out side of Baghdad and he Nation Republican Guard of Iran was supposed coming to take advantage  or I mean coming to the rescue. I don't  know what happened there. I'm gonna have to go back up stairs and listened to the Arabic news because I have about all can stand of these made up words like "Islamist, jihadist" makes me feel like if they don't know what's a word from what isn't how they can even know what they are talking about.

I don't know why it's all of a sudden something to talk about. They have been there. The have been there every since USA put control right in the hands of the Shaih and they came in trying to take control from them. 

This why my brother got trapped there last last July and a 3 week marriage visit turned into almost 2months. 

Keep us as up to date as you can, please.

 I have to catch up myself. I will probably listen while I lay down for a couple hours but first I need to find out why all of a sudden it is "new " news. It almost make me think there is another motive behind it all of a sudden being brought to light when before "USA was the savior" who saved us from Saddam.

There is no other reason for it to now being presented and something "new" and just now happening if they are not gearing up for some kind of plan. Which at this point does not even matter at this stage in the game. If the USA and other western countries want to waste their money, time, and man power by going again... so be it lol. The damage is already done. They can't do any more harm than they already did the first time.

jaxTheMomm
by Gold Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Who said Al Qaeda said wasn't in Iraq?

Ms.KitKat
by Gold Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 1:34 PM


Quoting 1stmuslimah:


Quoting Billiejeens:
Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Yesterday evening they were supposedly waiting 30 miles out side of Baghdad and he Nation Republican Guard of Iran was supposed coming to take advantage  or I mean coming to the rescue. I don't  know what happened there. I'm gonna have to go back up stairs and listened to the Arabic news because I have about all can stand of these made up words like "Islamist, jihadist" makes me feel like if they don't know what's a word from what isn't how they can even know what they are talking about.

I don't know why it's all of a sudden something to talk about. They have been there. The have been there every since USA put control right in the hands of the Shaih and they came in trying to take control from them. 

This why my brother got trapped there last last July and a 3 week marriage visit turned into almost 2months. 

Keep us as up to date as you can, please.

 I have to catch up myself. I will probably listen while I lay down for a couple hours but first I need to find out why all of a sudden it is "new " news. It almost make me think there is another motive behind it all of a sudden being brought to light when before "USA was the savior" who saved us from Saddam.

There is no other reason for it to now being presented and something "new" and just now happening if they are not gearing up for some kind of plan. Which at this point does not even matter at this stage in the game. If the USA and other western countries want to waste their money, time, and man power by going again... so be it lol. The damage is already done. They can't do any more harm than they already did the first time.

I wonder if because the US is moving troops out- it's a way to throw in obama's face- and say: " see the mess you are leaving behind!' ?????

Ms.KitKat
by Gold Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 1:37 PM
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Quoting 1stmuslimah:


Quoting Billiejeens:
Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Yesterday evening they were supposedly waiting 30 miles out side of Baghdad and he Nation Republican Guard of Iran was supposed coming to take advantage  or I mean coming to the rescue. I don't  know what happened there. I'm gonna have to go back up stairs and listened to the Arabic news because I have about all can stand of these made up words like "Islamist, jihadist" makes me feel like if they don't know what's a word from what isn't how they can even know what they are talking about.

I don't know why it's all of a sudden something to talk about. They have been there. The have been there every since USA put control right in the hands of the Shaih and they came in trying to take control from them. 

This why my brother got trapped there last last July and a 3 week marriage visit turned into almost 2months. 

Keep us as up to date as you can, please.

 I have to catch up myself. I will probably listen while I lay down for a couple hours but first I need to find out why all of a sudden it is "new " news. It almost make me think there is another motive behind it all of a sudden being brought to light when before "USA was the savior" who saved us from Saddam.

There is no other reason for it to now being presented and something "new" and just now happening if they are not gearing up for some kind of plan. Which at this point does not even matter at this stage in the game. If the USA and other western countries want to waste their money, time, and man power by going again... so be it lol. The damage is already done. They can't do any more harm than they already did the first time.

C/P from pema's thread:

On Wednesday's "Kelly File," Megyn Kelly stated flatly that the violence was happening in "a vacuum left by America's commander-in-chief." Turning to her guest, retired general Jack Keane, she said, "People like you were jumping up and down saying we will lose it all if we don't handle this differently."

Left unmentioned was the fact that President Obama actually tried to stay in Iraq past 2011, but was rebuffed by the Iraqi government, or any suggestion that the instability in the country might have been the result of the American invasion in the first place.

1stmuslimah
by Gold Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 4:47 PM

 I keep hearing everyone say "vacuum" but I don't know what they mean by this.

The rest of that I agree with, it's not even a matter of agree it is true. The whole invasion from the start is what caused everything. The minute Saddam and Aziz where destabilized was the minute it was over. There was no reason for them to stay just as there is no reason for to go back.

They are so hell bent on Iran being their enemy but they stayed all those years putting the people with the exact same school of though in power and setting up the jack ass fake Shaiah president all of whom want Iraq to be another Iran and that is their goal. How backwards is that ?

The only reason USA did that was because Saddam is Sunni and the majority of us are Sunni and they only did that to defy our way of life and our system. Now they have 2 Irans instead of 1 to always be so worried about. What kind of sense does that make ?

Just like now they are sitting like a bunch of idiots trying to decide what to do...

Iran is supposed to be going in with the National Iranian Guard to defend their people... Shiah. USA is now has air craft carrier on the way to send missiles to shoot Al-Queida and ISIS (same thing) and the only people who get hurt are the civilians hiding in their village.

So there now you have it Iran and USA are now fighting side by side as ally's together to defeat the same enemy, lol

Then in 5 years USA will decide "now it's just like Iran" so they will have to go again to try and take control away from Shiah and try to give it back to Sunni lol. If Iran does not stabilize Iraq with a real military other than this cracked jack military USA left them with and they don't team up and both go after USA which would actually after what they have done would be fine with me. They created this let them suffer the consequense.

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

Quoting 1stmuslimah:

 

Quoting Billiejeens:
Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Yesterday evening they were supposedly waiting 30 miles out side of Baghdad and he Nation Republican Guard of Iran was supposed coming to take advantage  or I mean coming to the rescue. I don't  know what happened there. I'm gonna have to go back up stairs and listened to the Arabic news because I have about all can stand of these made up words like "Islamist, jihadist" makes me feel like if they don't know what's a word from what isn't how they can even know what they are talking about.

I don't know why it's all of a sudden something to talk about. They have been there. The have been there every since USA put control right in the hands of the Shaih and they came in trying to take control from them. 

This why my brother got trapped there last last July and a 3 week marriage visit turned into almost 2months. 

Keep us as up to date as you can, please.

 I have to catch up myself. I will probably listen while I lay down for a couple hours but first I need to find out why all of a sudden it is "new " news. It almost make me think there is another motive behind it all of a sudden being brought to light when before "USA was the savior" who saved us from Saddam.

There is no other reason for it to now being presented and something "new" and just now happening if they are not gearing up for some kind of plan. Which at this point does not even matter at this stage in the game. If the USA and other western countries want to waste their money, time, and man power by going again... so be it lol. The damage is already done. They can't do any more harm than they already did the first time.

C/P from pema's thread:

On Wednesday's "Kelly File," Megyn Kelly stated flatly that the violence was happening in "a vacuum left by America's commander-in-chief." Turning to her guest, retired general Jack Keane, she said, "People like you were jumping up and down saying we will lose it all if we don't handle this differently."

Left unmentioned was the fact that President Obama actually tried to stay in Iraq past 2011, but was rebuffed by the Iraqi government, or any suggestion that the instability in the country might have been the result of the American invasion in the first place.

 

SallyMJ
by Ruby Member on Jun. 14, 2014 at 4:50 PM
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Didn't you know?

Obama told us in 2012 that he had singlehandedly DECIMATED Al Qaeda.

Decimated.

And Romney saying they were still a huge problem was just being ignorant.

TappyToes
by Bronze Member on Jun. 15, 2014 at 11:11 AM


Quoting SallyMJ:

Didn't you know?

Obama told us in 2012 that he had singlehandedly DECIMATED Al Qaeda.

Decimated.

And Romney saying they were still a huge problem was just being ignorant.

No, I did not know that and neither do you!

bang head on keyboard

1stmuslimah
by Gold Member on Jun. 15, 2014 at 12:14 PM

 

Quoting Ms.KitKat:

Quoting 1stmuslimah:

 

Quoting Billiejeens:
Quoting 1stmuslimah:

Yesterday evening they were supposedly waiting 30 miles out side of Baghdad and he Nation Republican Guard of Iran was supposed coming to take advantage  or I mean coming to the rescue. I don't  know what happened there. I'm gonna have to go back up stairs and listened to the Arabic news because I have about all can stand of these made up words like "Islamist, jihadist" makes me feel like if they don't know what's a word from what isn't how they can even know what they are talking about.

I don't know why it's all of a sudden something to talk about. They have been there. The have been there every since USA put control right in the hands of the Shaih and they came in trying to take control from them. 

This why my brother got trapped there last last July and a 3 week marriage visit turned into almost 2months. 

Keep us as up to date as you can, please.

 I have to catch up myself. I will probably listen while I lay down for a couple hours but first I need to find out why all of a sudden it is "new " news. It almost make me think there is another motive behind it all of a sudden being brought to light when before "USA was the savior" who saved us from Saddam.

There is no other reason for it to now being presented and something "new" and just now happening if they are not gearing up for some kind of plan. Which at this point does not even matter at this stage in the game. If the USA and other western countries want to waste their money, time, and man power by going again... so be it lol. The damage is already done. They can't do any more harm than they already did the first time.

I wonder if because the US is moving troops out- it's a way to throw in obama's face- and say: " see the mess you are leaving behind!' ?????

 No the Iraqi people are not thinking like this. The Shiah are happy they have some control, the Sunni are devastated that life will never be the same. USA is going to be the crying about the mess they left behind that is going to come back and bite them in the ass.

Already now they are getting ready to go help their enemy who they are already scared of and now Iran will defeat the terrorist and double it's power and make Iraq part of them and even though Iran has never attacked, occupied, or invaded another country USA will really be scared of them because they will be double and USA created it.

People keep talking should have stayed, did they leave to soon ? None of that matters. If they would have left the day they captured Saddam or if they would have stayed until the end of time, it would be same. Once they captured Saddam and took away the only thing that could keep Iraq together it was over.

If they were still there and stayed for another 5 years it will still be the same thing. They should not have went there in the first place. There is no other way anything could have been avoided once they went there and captured Saddam and Tariq Aziz.

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