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Right-Wing Christians Take It To a New Low By Handing Out Guns In Churches

Posted by on Jun. 17, 2014 at 2:15 PM
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Kentucky Baptists use gun giveaways to lure unchurched to Christ

5:14 PM, Mar. 1, 2014
Kentucky Baptists give away guns to lure men to church: Chuck McAlister uses the love of guns and hunting in Kentucky as a “bridge to unchurched men so they will hear what we have to say.”
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    In an effort its spokesman has described as "outreach to rednecks," the Kentucky Baptist Convention is leading "Second Amendment Celebrations," where churches around the state give away guns as door prizes to lure in nonbelievers in hopes of converting them to Christ.

    As many as 1,000 people are expected at the next one, on Thursday at Lone Oak Baptist Church in Paducah, where they will be given a free steak dinner and the chance to win one of 25 handguns, long guns and shotguns.

    The goal is to "point people to Christ," the church says in a flier. Chuck McAlister, an ex-pastor, master storyteller ...


    http://archive.courier-journal.com/article/20140228/FEATURES10/302280129?gcheck=%5B%271%27%5D&nclick_check=%5B%271%27%5D




    A rose by any other name would smell as sweet” is a commonly quoted line from William Shakespeare’s play Romeo and Juliet, in which Juliet appears to argue that the names of things do not matter, only what things really “are.” The line’s meaning is applicable in America in the sense that although the overwhelming majority of religious conservative Americans hate everything Jesus Christ preached and taught, calling themselves Christians and followers of Christ does not change the fact they are anti-Christ in every sense of the name. The notion of so-called Christians exposing themselves as the anti-Christs they really are is being played out in the drive to put moimagere guns in the hands of more Americans, especially conservative Christian Americans; it is no surprise it is being advanced by right-wing Christian churches.

    Last month at the Lone Oak First Baptist church in Paducah, Kentucky, a line of people wrapped around the building waiting anxiously to get inside, but not because they sought spiritual guidance from Jesus Christ’s teachings, but to win one of the twenty-five guns being raffled off. One may be inclined to think Lone Oak First Baptist is an aberration among churches purported to be “followers of Christ,” but according to the Kentucky Baptist Convention, handing out human-killing weapons is the best way to get people into church. Last year there were at least 50 “Christian” church gun giveaways in Kentucky alone, and an official at Lone Oak Baptist said handing out free guns is a rallying point to bring people to Christ.

    According to Lone Oak Sunday school teacher David Keele, “We’re doing two things here. One, we’re going to talk about the Second Amendment to bear arms. But that isn’t the primary thing. The primary thing is who Jesus is.” The only primary thing is that Keele and Kentucky Baptists lack even a rudimentary understanding of who Jesus was or why calling themselves Christians while crusading for 2nd Amendment rights makes them rank liars and anti-Christs for opposing Christ’s teaching.


    The featured speaker at the Baptist gun giveaway was hired by Kentucky Southern Baptists as a traveling full-time evangelist who defended the Baptists giving away guns and said, “if giving away guns allows them to come into the doors of the church to hear that the church has a message that’s relevant to their lives, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.” The paid evangelist wasted little time getting to the Christian message that is relevant to people’s lives and told other Christians that, “There’s no government on the face of this earth that has the right to take this gun from me” to thunderous applause. The evangelist even said he believed in Christ’s message of turning the other cheek, but only to a certain point; a certain point that cannot be found in any of Christ’s teachings.

    The idea of Christian churches handing out guns, following the teachings of the NRA, and crusading for the 2nd Amendment isnot restricted to Kentucky or Baptists. Other Christian denominations in other states regularly offer guns alongside bibles cementing their proud identity as “followers of Christ.” Christian churches handing out guns brings up a larger point regarding so-called Christians in this country; there are very few, if any, Christians in America. It is especially true of the Christian Right that supports any Republican candidate, conservative policies, or agenda founded on greed and inhumanity. It is highly likely the last American to adhere to Christ’s teachings was not a Christian by any stretch of the imagination, but he certainly understood the value in Christ’s moral teachings. Thomas Jefferson created his own rendering of Christ’s teachings after carefully removing every reference to Christ as a deity, miracle worker, or supernatural being in “The Jefferson Bible.

    It is impossible for any American to support conservatives or Republicans and be a follower of Christ no matter how devoutly they claim Christianity as their religion. In fact, it is relatively safe to say that if a person calls themselves a Republican, teabagger, libertarian, or an independent and votes for Republican candidates and claim they are also Christians, they are pathological liars of the first order. It is utterly impossible to support any Republican policy and be a Christian, and yet they are the people most likely to claim their religious devotion to Christianity informs their support of conservatives in general and Republicans in particular.


    Any Christian that supports the NRA or adheres to the 2nd amendment as the be all, end all defining trait of being an American, they are a liar and not remotely close to being a Christian. In fact, unless a so-called Christian lives in the wilderness and depends on hunting for survival, there is no reason to own a firearm if they subscribe to Christ’s teachings in the bible that all they need is faith that they will be resurrected by Christ after they die; even if they die at the hands of an armed intruder.

    One often hears so-called Christians claim they adamantly support feeding, housing, and providing healthcare for the poor, and in the same breath claim their undying support for Republicans; they are liars. The same people vehemently claim they believe in, and support, the Constitution’s guarantee of equal rights for all Americans, and then vote for Republicans passing legislation restricting gay, women, and people of colors’ equal rights. Conservative Christians who oppose the federal government, taxation, and Constitutional prohibition on establishing religion are in violation of Christ’s admonition to pay taxes and obey government authority like a good slave. The list goes on and on, but the point is glaringly obvious; it is impossible to be a Christian and support Republicans on any level.


    On a larger scale, it is a near-impossibility to find a so-called Christian of the conservative type that follows the bible they claim is the infallible word of god. It is true they have latched on to a couple of verses that fit their culture of hate, but it is a rare day indeed to hear even one conservative Christian cite one verse attributed to their avatar of light Jesus Christ. The so-called Christians are not even good Jews as part of their storied Judeo-Christian heritage. They worship graven idols like the cross their lord and savior was crucified on, swear allegiance to a symbol of objects in the sky and Earth (American flag), and violate the majority of the Ten Commandments they insist should replace the Constitution. However, it is their devotion and dedication to Republicans, guns, and a culture of greed and inhumanity that informs they are not Christians; they are anti-Christs.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/16/right-wing-christians-handing-guns-churches.html

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    shannonnigans
    by Silver Member on Jun. 17, 2014 at 7:55 PM

    Well let's pack up the kids and take a break, get away
    Leave the hustle and bustle of living from day to day
    And I know that the crime in the city is-a getting worse
    So we're going on down to the gun sale at the church

    Well my lady's all set to have us a real good time
    Baby Johnny's got fins but he don't seem to mind
    So the family's all ready to pray at the holy perch
    That's set up in the middle of the gun sale at the church

    Well we'll ask the lord to forgive us all of our sins
    And we'll look at the latest in gold plated firing pins
    Well my two main men are Jesus and old John Birch
    So we're going on down to the gun sale at the church

    jobseeker
    by Bronze Member on Jun. 17, 2014 at 8:15 PM

     where do you find these obscure stories set in small towns full of crazies?

    you HAVE to know that there are christian churches of all denominations across the country that are truly worshipping during their services, yet you put a spotlight on 1 small town church with questionable leadership...

    Lesson:  there are crackpots in any given population. Do not focus them, but on the best among them.

    lizzielouaf
    by Bronze Member on Jun. 17, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    This concept, gun raffling, has apparently been a growing thing in the past year and it isn't just the south. Several months ago I read a story about a church in NY raffling an AR-15. It's to boost membership, clearly, but I haven't seen any reports about how effective it is.

    Quoting jobseeker:

     where do you find these obscure stories set in small towns full of crazies?

    you HAVE to know that there are christian churches of all denominations across the country that are truly worshipping during their services, yet you put a spotlight on 1 small town church with questionable leadership...

    Lesson:  there are crackpots in any given population. Do not focus them, but on the best among them.


    fireangel5
    by Bronze Member on Jun. 17, 2014 at 8:31 PM
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    Were they forced to take the guns or did they do so willingly?  Were they told to go out and create mayhem?

    shannonnigans
    by Silver Member on Jun. 17, 2014 at 9:22 PM

    Its not a new thing at all.  The song I posted above was from the mid-eighties.  Chuch gun sales were quite a thing.  I'm hoping some of the "slower" people here didn't take it as an endorsement, as it was obviously an indictment.

    Quoting lizzielouaf:

    This concept, gun raffling, has apparently been a growing thing in the past year and it isn't just the south. Several months ago I read a story about a church in NY raffling an AR-15. It's to boost membership, clearly, but I haven't seen any reports about how effective it is.

    Quoting jobseeker:

     where do you find these obscure stories set in small towns full of crazies?

    you HAVE to know that there are christian churches of all denominations across the country that are truly worshipping during their services, yet you put a spotlight on 1 small town church with questionable leadership...

    Lesson:  there are crackpots in any given population. Do not focus them, but on the best among them.

     

     

    lizzielouaf
    by Bronze Member on Jun. 17, 2014 at 9:30 PM

    It really appears to be growing in popularity.

    Quoting shannonnigans:

    Its not a new thing at all.  The song I posted above was from the mid-eighties.  Chuch gun sales were quite a thing.  I'm hoping some of the "slower" people here didn't take it as an endorsement, as it was obviously an indictment.

    Quoting lizzielouaf:

    This concept, gun raffling, has apparently been a growing thing in the past year and it isn't just the south. Several months ago I read a story about a church in NY raffling an AR-15. It's to boost membership, clearly, but I haven't seen any reports about how effective it is.

    Quoting jobseeker:

     where do you find these obscure stories set in small towns full of crazies?

    you HAVE to know that there are christian churches of all denominations across the country that are truly worshipping during their services, yet you put a spotlight on 1 small town church with questionable leadership...

    Lesson:  there are crackpots in any given population. Do not focus them, but on the best among them.




    jobseeker
    by Bronze Member on Jun. 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

     Well, I am sure that anyone can have a bad idea. 

    there is no good response to this.  bad ideas are bad ideas, bad church leadership is bad church leadershio. 

    Quoting lizzielouaf:

    This concept, gun raffling, has apparently been a growing thing in the past year and it isn't just the south. Several months ago I read a story about a church in NY raffling an AR-15. It's to boost membership, clearly, but I haven't seen any reports about how effective it is.

    Quoting jobseeker:

     where do you find these obscure stories set in small towns full of crazies?

    you HAVE to know that there are christian churches of all denominations across the country that are truly worshipping during their services, yet you put a spotlight on 1 small town church with questionable leadership...

    Lesson:  there are crackpots in any given population. Do not focus them, but on the best among them.

     

     

    Bird_on_a_wire
    by Bronze Member on Jun. 17, 2014 at 11:46 PM
    ***insert eyeroll here***

    RandRMomma
    by Bronze Member on Jun. 18, 2014 at 12:01 AM
    I thought Jesus was supposed to protect them. I guess he's not doing the kind of job they approve of.
    -Celestial-
    by Platinum Member on Jun. 18, 2014 at 12:08 AM

    Kentucky Baptists use gun giveaways to lure unchurched to Christ

    5:14 PM, Mar. 1, 2014
    Kentucky Baptists give away guns to lure men to church: Chuck McAlister uses the love of guns and hunting in Kentucky as a “bridge to unchurched men so they will hear what we have to say.”
      • FILED UNDER

      In an effort its spokesman has described as "outreach to rednecks," the Kentucky Baptist Convention is leading "Second Amendment Celebrations," where churches around the state give away guns as door prizes to lure in nonbelievers in hopes of converting them to Christ.

      As many as 1,000 people are expected at the next one, on Thursday at Lone Oak Baptist Church in Paducah, where they will be given a free steak dinner and the chance to win one of 25 handguns, long guns and shotguns.

      The goal is to "point people to Christ," the church says in a flier. Chuck McAlister, an ex-pastor, master storyteller ...


      http://archive.courier-journal.com/article/20140228/FEATURES10/302280129?gcheck=%5B%271%27%5D&nclick_check=%5B%271%27%5D


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