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Israel should exercise restraint? Come now, Mr. Obama

Posted by on Jul. 17, 2014 at 3:25 PM
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In the midst of Israeli civilians being relentlessly bombed by the internationally recognized terrorist organization, Hamas, President Barack Obama is urging Israel to respond with "reasonableness and restraint," while the United Nations calls Israel's reaction inhumane and unlawful.

Addressing the president's exhortation, American Center for Law and Justice senior counsel David French believes the commander-in-chief should reevaluate the word "reasonable."

"When an enemy force consistently and deliberately does all that it can to terrorize and kill as many of your citizens as possible, with no regard for the difference between military and civilian targets, the 'reasonable' thing to do is obliterate that enemy … [d]estroy it," French proclaims. "There is nothing unreasonable about self-defense, and there is nothing unreasonable about destroying an armed enemy force."

French sees a double-standard at work in the president's rhetoric.

"In fact, our own military has a long and proud history of destroying enemy armed forces, and our nation and the world tend to achieve far better outcomes when our military is given the free hand to do the truly reasonable thing: defeat the enemy," French added. "It is unreasonable to expect Israel to exercise more restraint than the United States would under similar circumstances."

Being quite aware of U.S. military practices as a U.S. Army Reserve captain, French – having served in Iraq for a year – asserts that Obama's advice to Israel and his foreign policy with the Palestinian government is anything but reasonable.

"It is unreasonable to demand that Israel abide by made-up rules of 'proportionality' that we've rightly rejected for our own armed forces," French explains. "It is unreasonable to assume that the so-called 'honest broker' role requires this nation to blind itself to truth and violate its own laws by funneling hundreds of millions of dollars per year to a terrorist 'unity' government."

In a recent statement, the United Nations is in agreement with Obama when it comes to how Israel should deal with its neighboring terrorist enemies occupying Gaza – going as far as accusing Israelis of using excessive and unlawful force to defend their land.

"We have received deeply disturbing reports that many of the civilian casualties, including of children, occurred as a result of strikes on homes," said U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay, when speaking about Palestinians in Gaza. "Such reports raise serious doubt about whether the Israeli strikes have been in accordance with international humanitarian law and international human rights law."

To this, the ACLJ would have Pillay re-read the U.N.-accepted definition of a legitimate military target.

"Military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military of advantage," states the First Additional Protocol of 1977 to the Geneva Conventions – Sections 52(2) and 52(3). "In case of doubt whether an object which is normally dedicated to civilian purposes, such as a place of worship, a house or other dwelling or a school, is being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it shall be presumed not to be so used."

Attorneys with the ACLJ are in a quandary as to how the U.N. could possibly conclude that Israel has wrongfully or unlawfully attacked militant targets.

"What emerges clearly from the above is that civilian buildings may be legitimate military targets if they are being used to make an effective contribution to military action," the ACLJ points out. "These include houses and other dwellings, if so used. Since the modus operandi of Hamas is to use civilian buildings for most, if not all of its military activity, the civilian buildings so used, including homes, become legitimate targets for attack."

Instead of seeing Pillay as a victim of some kind of failure of communication, the ACLJ insists that the U.N. leader is purposely choosing to overlook fundamental military tactics used by Israel's enemies on the Gaza Strip.

"At this stage, the U.N. High Commissioner has no way of knowing whether any particular building targeted by the Israeli military was or was not being used by Hamas or other militant groups for military purposes," the Christian legal organization explains. "If the High Commissioner's sources of information are the residents of those buildings, she should recognize that they have a vested interest in denying any knowledge of such military use."

In the ACLJ's eyes, Pillay's anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian stance in the Middle East conflict is quite transparent.

"Thus the High Commissioner is in no position to express 'serious doubts' about the legality of any particular Israeli attack," maintains the Washington, DC-based legal group. "Use of the term 'serious doubts' to denote what is simply a lack of information is no more than an expression of bias against Israel."

French sees this same bias when it comes to the Obama administration's foreign policy in the Middle East.

"Between the United States, which has pledged to continue funding the Palestinian government, and Israel, which is now dropping bombs to protect itself from terrorist aggression, the only nation that is violating international norms and its own laws is the United States," French reasons. "It's a violation of federal criminal law to provide support to a designated terrorist organization, like Hamas."

And he emphasizes that the White House has failed to provide Americans with any evidence that half a billion of their tax dollars – on an annual basis – are not funding terrorist activities.

"Yet the Obama administration has been unable to provide any meaningful reassurance that the money we send the Palestinian Authority won't aid Hamas, a member of the PA's government," French concludes. "Meanwhile, the right of national self-defense – which Israel is now exercising – is embedded in the U.N. Charter … so, who's truly reasonable?"

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grandmab125
by Platinum Member on Jul. 17, 2014 at 7:31 PM
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 I say...cut off our money going to Palestine until they oust Hamas.

erika9009
by Silver Member on Jul. 17, 2014 at 7:42 PM
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We should put this in way most can relate.

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A bunch of delinquent kids have been throwing rocks and bottles into your yard and through windows from a vacant lot across the street.

You complain to the police, nothing happens.

Some of their rocks have gone through the windows and hurt your 3 yr old daughter.  While you sit in the hospital with your daughter, your husband gets his friends with sledgehammers and goes into the lot.

Your husband and friends breaks down all the hiding places these kids throw from and look for any kids that might be hiding

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That might be a better "hits home" analogy (I'm sure some will pick it apart though.)

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Erika..

The best things in life are not things.

Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Jul. 17, 2014 at 7:53 PM
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Hut 2, 3, 4 what the hell are we fighting for?

Cut off one side, cut off BOTH sides.

Too bad the US needs to pay to have a regional friend.



Donna6503
by Silver Member on Jul. 17, 2014 at 8:26 PM
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The US signed the Camp Davis Accord, it's a treaty, we are obligated to help finance Israel defense under the terms of that treaty.

Quoting Sisteract:

Hut 2, 3, 4 what the hell are we fighting for?

Cut off one side, cut off BOTH sides.

Too bad the US needs to pay to have a regional friend.

Donna6503
by Silver Member on Jul. 17, 2014 at 8:29 PM
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I don't think I've read as much lies about Isreal these past couple of days than ever before, I've been too upset from these lies that I can't give a proper reply.

It's just sad.
Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Jul. 17, 2014 at 8:33 PM


Quoting Donna6503: I don't think I've read as much lies about Isreal these past couple of days than ever before, I've been too upset from these lies that I can't give a proper reply. It's just sad.

It takes 2 sides to continue a fight.

Donna6503
by Silver Member on Jul. 17, 2014 at 8:53 PM
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Have you noticed that the West Banks isn't being fired on this past week; you know why? Because, rockets (with a small exception) aren't being fired from the West Bank.

If Israel really wanted "just fight" they'll be firing on the Palestinians living in the West Bank, but no, they are taking action against the leaders, who have an open declaration of war against Israel, in Gaza.

If you want the fighting to stop, tell Hamas to stop firing rockets that are aimed at civilian population and Israel would stop. If you want civilian deaths to stop, tell Hamas to stop firing (and storing) rockets from civilian areas.

Honestly, it's no a crime to tell Hamas that firing and storing military weapons in civilian population is a UN human rights violation and targeting weapons at civilian population is another noted violation.

So in this case, it only takes one side to end this violent; but, Hamas teaches that they love death more than others love life. So we shouldn't be surprised when they dance in the street and celebrate the killing of innocent children, not just Israeli children; but also, their own.


Quoting Sisteract:

Quoting Donna6503: I don't think I've read as much lies about Isreal these past couple of days than ever before, I've been too upset from these lies that I can't give a proper reply.

It's just sad.

It takes 2 sides to continue a fight.

Abaco
by Gold Member on Jul. 17, 2014 at 9:05 PM
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Praying for Israel once and for all to end it.
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grandmab125
by Platinum Member on Jul. 17, 2014 at 11:01 PM
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 Excellent reply.

Quoting Donna6503: Have you noticed that the West Banks isn't being fired on this past week; you know why? Because, rockets (with a small exception) aren't being fired from the West Bank. If Israel really wanted "just fight" they'll be firing on the Palestinians living in the West Bank, but no, they are taking action against the leaders, who have an open declaration of war against Israel, in Gaza. If you want the fighting to stop, tell Hamas to stop firing rockets that are aimed at civilian population and Israel would stop. If you want civilian deaths to stop, tell Hamas to stop firing (and storing) rockets from civilian areas. Honestly, it's no a crime to tell Hamas that firing and storing military weapons in civilian population is a UN human rights violation and targeting weapons at civilian population is another noted violation. So in this case, it only takes one side to end this violent; but, Hamas teaches that they love death more than others love life. So we shouldn't be surprised when they dance in the street and celebrate the killing of innocent children, not just Israeli children; but also, their own.
Quoting Sisteract:

Quoting Donna6503: I don't think I've read as much lies about Isreal these past couple of days than ever before, I've been too upset from these lies that I can't give a proper reply. It's just sad.

It takes 2 sides to continue a fight.

 

29again
by Gold Member on Jul. 17, 2014 at 11:50 PM
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Quoting Donna6503: I don't think I've read as much lies about Isreal these past couple of days than ever before, I've been too upset from these lies that I can't give a proper reply. It's just sad.

And I think I've seen them all in this forum. 

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