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Become Dangerous Again~

Posted by on Jul. 19, 2014 at 3:14 PM
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'Russia has become dangerous again'

Russia Has Become Dangerous Again

The illusion of a stable Europe died yesterday with the murdered passengers of MH17.


Masked pro-Russian separatists guarding city council building in Donetsk (Reuters)

It was not even a month ago that Vladimir Putin stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the elected leaders of the Western world to commemorate the D-Day invasion. I hope whoever issued that invitation has the decency to feel some embarrassment today. Through the past eight months of escalating Russian violence against Ukraine, too many European governments have treated the Ukraine issue as remote and marginal: regrettable, yes, but not a threat to the peace of the continent. It was more important, they felt, to sustain a normal relationship with Russia. That illusion died yesterday along with the murdered passengers of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

Russia is funding, arming, and urging forward a violent insurgency against an elected European government. In Crimea, Russia sent troops across an internationally recognized border, seized territory, and intimidated and abused the conquered population. This is not a bilateral Ukraine-Russia conflict, in the way that, for example, the conflict between Russia and Georgia in 2008 could be dismissed as a bilateral conflict. It’s a challenge to the stability of the whole continent.

For a decade after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Europeans hoped that Russia would and could evolve into a country at peace with itself and its neighbors, as Germany has so notably done since 1945. Russia was invited to join the Group of Seven industrialized nations (G7). NATO redefined its mission, reorienting itself as a global peacekeeping organization rather than a Western alliance designed to contain Russia. NATO extended a kind of associate status to Russia, and Russia was assured that no U.S. troops would be stationed in former Warsaw Pact territories.

Vladimir Putin’s ascent to power crushed those hopes. For a long time, however, Europeans—and Americans too—hesitated to acknowledge what was happening in Russia. There were some good reasons for this hesitation: Putin did sometimes cooperate with the Western world—in Afghanistan, for example. There were bad reasons too. As energy prices rose after 2000, the Russian economy recovered. Russia had more of value to sell to the rest of the world, and more money to buy things that the West had to sell—more money, too, to buy Western politicians.

Above all, nobody wanted to return to the days of living in a Europe armed against itself, divided into hostile blocs, with horrifying war a push of a button away. The human mind is constituted in such a way that what we don’t wish to believe, we can for a long time disbelieve. “The Cold War is over,” German chancellor Angela Merkel reproached the United States, when the NSA was caught surveilling German communications. But the NSA was surveilling precisely to monitor how deeply Russian espionage had penetrated the German state—because while the Cold War has ended, the security threat from Russia has not.

Suddenly, NATO’s role in Europe has regained relevance. Unfortunately, NATO lacks the credibility to match. The United States no longer maintains even a single tank in Europe. The European countries have allowed their defense capabilities to wither altogether. If the budget sequester remains in force, the U.S. Army's combat capabilities will be cut in half by decade’s end. Even if NATO decided that Russia’s latest actions release the West from the 1990s ban on permanent deployments in eastern Europe, what troops could it send?

We shouldn’t give up the hope that Putin will prove only an ugly detour on Russia’s route to a future as a normal, peaceful European democracy. But we shouldn’t any longer rely on that hope to guide our policy. Russia has become dangerous again. It's not as dangerous as it was, but it’s more than dangerous enough. Nearly 300 bereaved families in the Netherlands, Britain, Canada, and elsewhere have suffered what hundreds of Ukrainians have suffered since Russian sharpshooters opened fire on peacefully protesting crowds in Kyiv last winter.

And we are all more vulnerable to that danger because we have let atrophy the institutions necessary to meet and contain that danger. It’s time—past time—to build those institutions back. That’s been the meaning of the Ukraine crisis from the start. The terrible heartbreak of MH17 might have been averted if we had absorbed that meaning early. But better to absorb it now than to leave it any longer.

by on Jul. 19, 2014 at 3:14 PM
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lizzielouaf
by Bronze Member on Jul. 19, 2014 at 3:57 PM

What do you think our government should do?

vic270
by Vic on Jul. 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM
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I might be mistaken, but didn't Romney say that Russia was a big threat before the election and lots and lots of people including Obama laughed at him.

shannonnigans
by Silver Member on Jul. 19, 2014 at 7:08 PM
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This is where the responses always seem to wither. But I second the question, I'm not denying he's a psychotic, but what is the plan?

Quoting lizzielouaf:

What do you think our government should do?

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shannonnigans
by Silver Member on Jul. 19, 2014 at 7:11 PM
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If you can, point me to the video of Obama referring to a Romney statement as you described it and laughing, or a source that confirms this. I am not a huge Obama supporter by any means, but nor am I a fan of fabrication.

Quoting vic270:

I might be mistaken, but didn't Romney say that Russia was a big threat before the election and lots and lots of people including Obama laughed at him.

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vic270
by Vic on Jul. 19, 2014 at 7:19 PM
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 I am not a fabricator, so look it up your self. Sorry I don't deal with attitude or name calling.

Quoting shannonnigans: If you can, point me to the video of Obama referring to a Romney statement as you described it and laughing, or a source that confirms this. I am not a huge Obama supporter by any means, but nor am I a fan of fabrication.
Quoting vic270:

I might be mistaken, but didn't Romney say that Russia was a big threat before the election and lots and lots of people including Obama laughed at him.

 

vic270
by Vic on Jul. 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM
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Google* Flashback Obama Mocks Romney on Saying Russia Poses a Danger*, If any one cares to read.

lizzielouaf
by Bronze Member on Jul. 19, 2014 at 7:45 PM
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I agree, he is psychotic but short of blowing the guy off the map, what are "we" supposed to do? What do we even want to do? It's really easy to come up with theories when you're not the one sitting in the oval office. There's a good reason our presidents go into the office look fresh faced and young but come out looking like hammered shit.

Quoting shannonnigans: This is where the responses always seem to wither. But I second the question, I'm not denying he's a psychotic, but what is the plan?

Quoting lizzielouaf:

What do you think our government should do?

shannonnigans
by Silver Member on Jul. 19, 2014 at 7:49 PM
I have a feeling you are referring to the Cold War is over remark. Hardly what I'd call laughing at him. What a distortion.

Quoting vic270:

 I am not a fabricator, so look it up your self. Sorry I don't deal with attitude or name calling.


Quoting shannonnigans: If you can, point me to the video of Obama referring to a Romney statement as you described it and laughing, or a source that confirms this. I am not a huge Obama supporter by any means, but nor am I a fan of fabrication.
Quoting vic270:

I might be mistaken, but didn't Romney say that Russia was a big threat before the election and lots and lots of people including Obama laughed at him.


 

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littlemum41
by Silver Member on Jul. 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM
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When someone says,"look it up yourself", that usually means they fabricated or they're lazy.


Quoting vic270:

 I am not a fabricator, so look it up your self. Sorry I don't deal with attitude or name calling.


Quoting shannonnigans: If you can, point me to the video of Obama referring to a Romney statement as you described it and laughing, or a source that confirms this. I am not a huge Obama supporter by any means, but nor am I a fan of fabrication.
Quoting vic270:

I might be mistaken, but didn't Romney say that Russia was a big threat before the election and lots and lots of people including Obama laughed at him.


 

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Clairwil
by Gold Member on Jul. 20, 2014 at 12:58 PM
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I recently had a long discussion about Russia with very educated and well informed ex-Russian who now lives in Britain, but who still reads news sources on all sides and stays in contact with friends who live there.

The situation is more complex than the narrative being presented by the western media.

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