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Texas: Gay-marriage ban best for children

Posted by on Jul. 30, 2014 at 6:34 AM
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File - In this April 2, 2014 file photo, Attorney General and Republican gubernatorial candidate Greg Abbott speaks in San Antonio. Attorney General Greg Abbott has decided previously that the state doesn't have to disclose what potentially dangerous chemicals plants around Texas store. But he now clarifies that ordinary Texans are free to ask the plants on their own. (AP Photo/Eric Gay, File)
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File - In this April 2, 2014 file photo, Attorney General and Republican gubernatorial candidate Greg Abbott speaks in San Antonio. Attorney General Greg Abbott has decided previously that the state doesn't have to disclose what potentially dangerous chemicals plants around Texas store. But he now clarifies that ordinary Texans are free to ask the plants on their own. (AP Photo/Eric Gay, File)

DALLAS (AP) - Texas' ban on same-sex marriage allows the state to promote the birth and upbringing of children in "stable, lasting relationships," the state's attorney general argued Tuesday while asking a federal appeals court to reinstate the ban.

Attorney General Greg Abbott, the Republican nominee for governor, said the views of ban opponents could be considered "rational." But he argued that Texas voters have the right under the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause, the same amendment often cited by ban opponents, to define marriage in a way that best supports children.

"There are good, well-meaning people on both sides," he wrote to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, echoing previous sentiments in the case. But he argued that opposite-sex couples are better suited to have and raise children, and thus help reduce "societal costs."

"Because same-sex relationships do not naturally produce children, recognizing same-sex marriage does not further these goals to the same extent that recognizing opposite-sex marriage does," the brief said.

Mark Pharriss, a longtime friend of Abbott's who along with his partner sued the state over the ban, argued that the real harm to children is done when their parents aren't granted "the benefits and protections of a marriage."

"Our constitutional rights are not up for the vote of Texas citizens," he said. "That point has been made unanimously by every district court and now two circuit courts who have looked at this issue."

A federal judge declared Texas' ban unconstitutional in February but allowed it to remain in effect during the appeal process.

Gay marriage proponents have won more than 20 legal decisions around the country since the U.S. Supreme Court struck down part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act last year, though most are under appeal. Lawsuits challenging such bans have been filed in all 31 states that prohibited same-sex marriage, while 19 states and the District of Columbia allow such marriages.

Abbott is the front-runner to replace Texas Gov. Rick Perry, also an opponent of gay marriage. His Democratic opponent, state Sen. Wendy Davis, has applauded the ruling invalidating the gay marriage ban.

In its motion filed Tuesday, Abbott's office said its argument - that opposite-sex couples provide the best environment for newborn children - doesn't violate the U.S. Constitution because it treats all couples the same. The office also argued that voters, not courts and attorneys, know what's best for their state.

"Issues are often more complex than judges and lawyers think, and their legal training gives them no comparative advantage in resolving the complex value judgments and empirical questions that go into deciding questions such as whether same-sex marriage should be legal," the brief said.

The brief was filed a day after an appeals court in Virginia upheld another lower court's ruling striking down the state's gay-marriage ban.

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Associated Press writer Will Weissert in Austin contributed to this report.

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candlegal
by Bronze Member on Jul. 30, 2014 at 6:35 AM
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 He is definitely right about that.

-Celestial-
by Platinum Member on Jul. 30, 2014 at 7:05 AM
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We can put all the kids into catholic orphanages and let them fall prey to the perverted priests..
candlegal
by Bronze Member on Jul. 30, 2014 at 7:08 AM
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 or the govt run indoctrination camps where the teachers can get them.

Quoting -Celestial-: We can put all the kids into catholic orphanages and let them fall prey to the perverted priests..

 

AdrianneHill
by Bronze Member on Jul. 30, 2014 at 8:11 AM
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What harm is demonstrated by advancing the rights of marriage? Saying that kids don't need gay marriage is kind of well stupid. Who the hell cares? If a straight couple is married or not, a gay couple shouldn't effect that in any way just by being wed themselves. I mean should it? What harm is he trying to claim? He is just saying that kids don't gain from gay marriage but I doubt he has anything but a very powerful gut feeling to tell him that is true. And I'd argue that children with gay parents would likely also flourish from the protections and stability afforded by government recognized unions.
TCgirlatheart
by TC on Jul. 30, 2014 at 8:16 AM
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Agreed.

Quoting AdrianneHill: What harm is demonstrated by advancing the rights of marriage? Saying that kids don't need gay marriage is kind of well stupid. Who the hell cares? If a straight couple is married or not, a gay couple shouldn't effect that in any way just by being wed themselves. I mean should it? What harm is he trying to claim? He is just saying that kids don't gain from gay marriage but I doubt he has anything but a very powerful gut feeling to tell him that is true. And I'd argue that children with gay parents would likely also flourish from the protections and stability afforded by government recognized unions.
Billiejeens
by Ruby Member on Jul. 30, 2014 at 8:43 AM
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In its motion filed Tuesday, Abbott's office said its argument - that opposite-sex couples provide the best environment for newborn children - doesn't violate the U.S. Constitution because it treats all couples the same. The office also argued that voters, not courts and attorneys, know what's best for their state.

"Issues are often more complex than judges and lawyers think, and their legal training gives them no comparative advantage in resolving the complex value judgments and empirical questions that go into deciding questions such as whether same-sex marriage should be legal," the brief said.

littlemum41
by Silver Member on Jul. 30, 2014 at 9:46 AM
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Oh boy. Another airhead reducing marriage to an institute created for procreation. Is that ALL they care about? That marriage is for opposite sex partners only because they produce children together? How basic and narrow minded!!!

Children are raised well and loved and cared for by same sex couples, too. There are many Moms here at CM who have told us that they were happy to be raised by their two Moms, for example.

I am really discouraged with these judgemental, prejudiced ,undereducated Pastors, Minsiters,  Preachers and their gullible, robotic  followers who never question their values and motivations.

littlemum41
by Silver Member on Jul. 30, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Whaaaaaaat ?

surprisedthat is insane.

Quoting candlegal:

 or the govt run indoctrination camps where the teachers can get them.

Quoting -Celestial-: We can put all the kids into catholic orphanages and let them fall prey to the perverted priests..

 


Abaco
by on Jul. 30, 2014 at 10:04 AM
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Hi friend ! so glad to see you. Been praying for you : )



Quoting candlegal:

 or the govt run indoctrination camps where the teachers can get them.


Quoting -Celestial-: We can put all the kids into catholic orphanages and let them fall prey to the perverted priests..

 

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Ednarooni160
by Eds on Jul. 30, 2014 at 10:08 AM
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Quoting -Celestial-: We can put all the kids into catholic orphanages and let them fall prey to the perverted priests..

You have an obsession with priests..even when an "athiest" advocated "mild" pedophile acts as being okay you made a comment about priest....  Saying all priest are pedophiles is like saying all black people are like Obama..just isn't so

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