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The Fifth Seal?

Posted by on Aug. 13, 2014 at 12:07 AM
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Are We Living in the Fifth Seal of Revelation?

Are We Living in the Fifth Seal of Revelation?





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Smoke billows from the town of Makhmur during clashes between Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga troops and Islamic State militants Saturday. (Reuters/Azad Lashkari )

The Middle East is on fire! War rages between Israel and Hamas, ISIS runs rampant over parts of Iraq, and Islamic extremist terrorist groups like al-Qaeda threaten the security of the region. All of this is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy of the last days. Jesus said it would happen: "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars ... nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom" (Matt. 24:6-7).

But it's going to get worse before it gets better. He added, "All these are the beginning of birth pains" (Matt. 24:8). At the end of the age, Jesus Christ will return, and the world will enjoy the peace and prosperity of his kingdom.

These wars and conflicts are spiritual in nature. Radical Islam seeks to rule by shariah law and drive out or destroy anyone of any other faith, especially Christians and Jews. In the last days, Jesus said, "You will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated of all nations because of me" (Matt. 24:9).

A good friend asked me what I thought about the suffering of Christians in the Middle East and other nations such as North Korea, and I said, "I think we are living under the fifth seal of the Revelation." John described it this way: "When he (Jesus) opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained" (Rev 6:9).

We are engaged in a great spiritual war. The Revelator said, "There was war in heaven" (Rev 12:7). This spiritual war is seen in the persecution of God's people. Satan is described in the Revelation as a great Red Dragon who is enraged at Israel and Christians. He "went off to make war against ... those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus" (Rev. 12:17).

Christians are now being driven out of Iraq at the threat of their lives. According to Mirror Online's Labour Politics panelist, Tom Watson, militant fighters known as ISIS have declared a new Islamic state in northern Iraq. Ten years ago "Mosul was home to one of the world's ancient Christian communities; an estimated 60,000 lived in this northern Iraqi city. For nearly 2,000 years, Christians and Muslims rubbed along together. But now ISIS has forced Christians to convert to Islam or be driven out--or worse. Doors to the homes of Christians have been daubed in red by ISIS militants to speed up the process of mass religious 'cleansing.' More than two dozen powerless churches now lie abandoned as worshippers run for their lives."

I recently met a pastor from Pakistan who had to flee his country because of persecution. He and his family suffered greatly with his life being threatened. When he fled the country, all his possessions were seized by the government. He and his family were left destitute.

A good friend of mine, a pastor in Iran, is suffering seven years of imprisonment for preaching the gospel of Christ. He refused to recant his faith and was imprisoned. Only the letters of appeal to the court and an excellent attorney kept him from life in prison or possible execution for the charge of converting people to Christ.

Look at this alarming news headline: "Pakistan mob kills woman, girls, over 'blasphemous' Facebook post.'" Syed Raza Hassan reported the story of a Pakistani mob who "killed [a] woman member of a religious sect and two of her granddaughters after a sect member was accused of posting blasphemous material on Facebook, police said Monday, the latest instance of growing violence against minorities."

"The dead, including a 7-year-old girl and her baby sister, were Ahmadis, who consider themselves Muslim but believe in a prophet after Mohammed. A 1984 Pakistani law declared them non-Muslims, and many Pakistanis consider them heretics." A crowd of 150 came to the police station and registered a blasphemy case against them. While the police were negotiating with them the mob started burning the houses of Ahmadis. "Accusations of blasphemy are rocketing in Pakistan, from one in 2011 to at least 68 last year, according to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan. About 100 people have been accused of blasphemy this year."

I talked to a pastor in India who told me about a high government official who started a personal campaign to drive all the Christians out of India. He visited several cities and began to build a consensus among leaders for his cause. Then his own daughter confessed to him that she had become a Christian and told him, "If you drive all the Christians out of India, you will drive me out of our home." He didn't want to lose his daughter so he dropped his cause!

What should we do? Stand firm in our faith and let the light of Jesus shine brightly to dispel the darkness of evil in the world. As the devil prowls around the world today looking for someone to devour, let us resist him standing firm in the faith (see 1 Peter 5:8-9).

In the words of singer Tom Petty: "Well I know what's right, I got just one life/ In a world that keeps on pushin' me around/ But I'll stand my ground, and I won't back down/ You can stand me up at the gates of hell/ But I won't back down!"

David Cooper is lead pastor of Mount Paran Church in Atlanta. He is also the author of several books, including his latest, Unfinished Business.

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-Celestial-
by Platinum Member on Aug. 13, 2014 at 12:15 AM
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This has been going on since biblical times man picked up sticks. Its has been written to give men the excuse to wage war. Theres nothing coming out the skies for human kind other than missles

JakeandEmmasMom
by Gold Member on Aug. 13, 2014 at 12:19 AM
Nah
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Raintree
by Gold Member on Aug. 13, 2014 at 12:37 AM
Sigh.

And then yawn.
AdrianneHill
by Bronze Member on Aug. 13, 2014 at 12:49 AM
You wish.
marchantmom06
by Bronze Member on Aug. 13, 2014 at 12:55 AM
Nah too many of the 144,000 are still left. And doesn't he open the seals in order?
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shannonnigans
by Silver Member on Aug. 13, 2014 at 3:09 AM
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I guess we should change the name of the group to News, Politics & Mythology. Has a nice ring to it.

Added irony - the author you quoted referencing Petty, who just recently ripped the Catholic Church a new one.
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Sweet_Faith
by Gold Member on Aug. 13, 2014 at 4:56 AM
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Quoting marchantmom06: Nah too many of the 144,000 are still left. And doesn't he open the seals in order?

My understanding of the scripture regarding the 144,000 are the Jewish people that become believers in Jesus and more than likely martyred during the tribulation for rejecting the anti-Christ and the Mark.

romalove
by SenseandSensibility on Aug. 13, 2014 at 5:22 AM
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Whatever could be discussed here?
idunno1234
by Silver Member on Aug. 13, 2014 at 8:21 AM
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Some of you so badly want this to be true.  You need this to be true.  Your whole life is given meaning by the possibility of living in a special time where nonbelievers are given their comeuppance and you may be able to witness the second coming of Christ.  You talk about how scary it is at the same time you can barely contain your excitement.  You are utterly enthralled with what you believe are supernatural things going on unseen by most of us common folk.

You cling to this, regardless of how many bible scholars have proven how little we know about who actually wrote the bible and the numerous inconsistencies, the prophecies being easily and repeatedly debunked and all the evidence that is contrary to what you believe.  You cling to it like a life raft, like a drug even....so much so that you can't even consider it to be a fallacy, as if your life would lose meaning if you faced the reality of much of what you believe.

So cling away.  Just don't complain when I repeatedly make it clear I can't take a thing you take seriously because truth is meaningless to you.  Belief for you trumps everything including reality.  So what the heck you are doing on a discussion forum is beyond me.  I have already expressed my frustration with the fact that so many of you profess an interest in intellectual debate when intelligence and debate have no place in your agenda.  Only a belief.

These are scary times we live in, no doubt.  Humans are scary animals and in spite of our intelligence, sometimes the dumbest.  We repeat the same horrific mistakes over and over again while some justify and others demonize.  Nothing has changed except for the fact that our population has exploded like a scourge on this earth and the weapons that our wonderful brains have invented are deadlier.  Our superstitions come under different names but basically, no different than any other superstition past and present.  Human have a remarkable, somewhat scary and often destructive ability to think that if they believe something it must be true which is why I think this has no place on this discussion forum.  There is nothing to discuss with people who's beliefs trump reality.  I swear, if God showed itself and told you, you have it all wrong, you would argue with God.

I know, I know....free speech and all that.  I can't and don't have the right to stop you from expressing your beliefs ad nauseum all over this site. I also know that I am rambling and it is a wasted exercise but would it kill you to dip your foot back into reality, away from scripture, prophecies, demons, angels and saints on occasion? 

Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Aug. 13, 2014 at 8:26 AM

ABSOLUTELY!!!!! I appreciate your comments- keep them coming. All you can do is try.

Quoting idunno1234:

Some of you so badly want this to be true.  You need this to be true.  Your whole life is given meaning by the possibility of living in a special time where nonbelievers are given their comeuppance and you may be able to witness the second coming of Christ.  You talk about how scary it is at the same time you can barely contain your excitement.  You are utterly enthralled with what you believe are supernatural things going on unseen by most of us common folk.

You cling to this, regardless of how many bible scholars have proven how little we know about who actually wrote the bible and the numerous inconsistencies, the prophecies being easily and repeatedly debunked and all the evidence that is contrary to what you believe.  You cling to it like a life raft, like a drug even....so much so that you can't even consider it to be a fallacy, as if your life would lose meaning if you faced the reality of much of what you believe.

So cling away.  Just don't complain when I repeatedly make it clear I can't take a thing you take seriously because truth is meaningless to you.  Belief for you trumps everything including reality.  So what the heck you are doing on a discussion forum is beyond me.  I have already expressed my frustration with the fact that so many of you profess an interest in intellectual debate when intelligence and debate have no place in your agenda.  Only a belief.

These are scary times we live in, no doubt.  Humans are scary animals and in spite of our intelligence, sometimes the dumbest.  We repeat the same horrific mistakes over and over again while some justify and others demonize.  Nothing has changed except for the fact that our population has exploded like a scourge on this earth and the weapons that we our wonderful brains have invented are deadlier.  Our superstitions come under different names but basically, no different than any other superstition past and present.  Human have a remarkable, somewhat scary and often destructive ability to think that if they believe something it must be true which is why I think this has no place on this discussion forum.  There is nothing to discuss with people who's beliefs trump reality.  I swear, if God showed itself and told you, you have it all wrong, you would argue with God.

I know, I know....free speech and all that.  I can't and don't have the right to stop you from expressing your beliefs ad nauseum all over this site. I also know that I am rambling and it is a wasted exercise but would it kill you to dip your foot back into reality, away from scripture, prophecies, demons, angels and saints on occasion? 


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