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Police chief rips Obama remarks

Posted by on Aug. 14, 2014 at 5:31 PM
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The executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police criticized President Obama Thursday for his remarks about law enforcement in Ferguson, Mo.

"I would contend that discussing police tactics from Martha's Vineyard is not helpful to ultimately calming the situation," director Jim Pasco said in an interview with The Hill.

"I think what he has to do as president and as a constitutional lawyer is remember that there is a process in the United States and the process is being followed, for good or for ill, by the police and by the county and by the city and by the prosecutors’ office," Pasco added.

Pasco harkened back to 2009, when Obama criticized a Massachusetts police officer for arresting Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates, when he was attempting to break into his own home. Obama said the officer had “acted stupidly.”

"That is one where the president spoke precipitously without all the facts," Pasco said, adding that the current situation "is a much larger and more tragic incident."

Pasco said both police and members of the public are entitled to due process but said he is not convinced police have used excessive force in Ferguson.  

"I'm not there, and neither is the president," Pasco said. "That is why we have due process in the United States. And this will all be sorted out over time. But right now, I haven't seen anything from afar — and maybe the president has — that would lead me to believe the police are doing anything except to restore order."

Obama on Thursday called for “peace and calm on the streets” of Ferguson after “disturbing” clashes between police and protesters stemming from the police killing of an unarmed black teenager.

"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," Obama said in a statement from where he is vacationing in Massachusetts. "There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights."

The officer involved in the Ferguson shooting is a member of the Fraternal Order of Police and is being represented by one of its lawyers. His name has not been released to the public.

Pasco declined to comment on whether Ferguson police should be withholding the officer's name.

"I would leave any statements on that to his defense," he said.



 

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29again
by Gold Member on Aug. 14, 2014 at 5:36 PM
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Obama seems to be getting pretty good at speaking before he has any facts.

shannonnigans
by Silver Member on Aug. 14, 2014 at 6:04 PM
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Ok , and these are the statements? Could you show me which statement above is disturbing and why?

1) he called the clashes "disturbing" and called for peace and calm on the streets." Ok I'd agree they are disturbing, that sounds accurate. Calling for peace and calm on the streets seems pretty normal too. Certainly doesn't interfere with anyone's due process. What do you see here that disturbs you?

2) "never an excuse for violence against police or using this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting"
Absolutely agree with this. What do you find troublesome about this statement? I'm trying to see something wrong with this but I can't.

3) " no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests, or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights." Ok this one is just stating the law. Such prohibitions are statutory and supported by caselaw. Are you interpreting it to imply that he thinks all protesters have acted lawfully? That can't be it, because it was prefaced by Item No. 2 above, which makes it clear that's not what he is saying. So what about this statement disturbs you?

I'm not a big Obama supporter by any stretch, and especially lately as I think he's a big foreign policy liability. But I can't see an issue with these statements as quoted in this article. They seem kind of normal.

Quoting 29again:

Obama seems to be getting pretty good at speaking before he has any facts.

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Ednarooni160
by Eds on Aug. 14, 2014 at 7:28 PM
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I was waiting for that car to come around the corner.  Obama JUST can't help himself..

29again
by Gold Member on Aug. 14, 2014 at 7:59 PM
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He always does this.  It seems to be innocuous on the surface, but it always turns into something worse.  This is a local (possibly a state) issue, but here he is, injecting himself into it.  But, on the other hand, it does look like the PEOPLE are waking up to him, finally...  him and Sharpton, both..  He isn't helping anything by speaking from the Vineyard....


why do they have swat teams out on the streets? 

Quoting shannonnigans: Ok , and these are the statements? Co

uld you show me which statement above is disturbing and why? 1) he called the clashes "disturbing" and called for peace and calm on the streets." Ok I'd agree they are disturbing, that sounds accurate. Calling for peace and calm on the streets seems pretty normal too. Certainly doesn't interfere with anyone's due process. What do you see here that disturbs you? 2) "never an excuse for violence against police or using this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting" Absolutely agree with this. What do you find troublesome about this statement? I'm trying to see something wrong with this but I can't. 3) " no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests, or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights." Ok this one is just stating the law. Such prohibitions are statutory and supported by caselaw. Are you interpreting it to imply that he thinks all protesters have acted lawfully? That can't be it, because it was prefaced by Item No. 2 above, which makes it clear that's not what he is saying. So what about this statement disturbs you? I'm not a big Obama supporter by any stretch, and especially lately as I think he's a big foreign policy liability. But I can't see an issue with these statements as quoted in this article. They seem kind of normal.
Quoting 29again:

Obama seems to be getting pretty good at speaking before he has any facts.


militarychick17
by on Aug. 14, 2014 at 8:13 PM
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As to #3: the protests are not peaceful. Have you seen the videos of people throwing Molotov cocktails at police? Obama has a history of speaking without having all of the facts.

Quoting shannonnigans: Ok , and these are the statements? Could you show me which statement above is disturbing and why?

1) he called the clashes "disturbing" and called for peace and calm on the streets." Ok I'd agree they are disturbing, that sounds accurate. Calling for peace and calm on the streets seems pretty normal too. Certainly doesn't interfere with anyone's due process. What do you see here that disturbs you?

2) "never an excuse for violence against police or using this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting"
Absolutely agree with this. What do you find troublesome about this statement? I'm trying to see something wrong with this but I can't.

3) " no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests, or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights." Ok this one is just stating the law. Such prohibitions are statutory and supported by caselaw. Are you interpreting it to imply that he thinks all protesters have acted lawfully? That can't be it, because it was prefaced by Item No. 2 above, which makes it clear that's not what he is saying. So what about this statement disturbs you?

I'm not a big Obama supporter by any stretch, and especially lately as I think he's a big foreign policy liability. But I can't see an issue with these statements as quoted in this article. They seem kind of normal.

Quoting 29again:

Obama seems to be getting pretty good at speaking before he has any facts.

143myboys9496
by Gold Member on Aug. 14, 2014 at 8:19 PM
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Love how he interjects himself into local issues, but has little to say with regard to worldly issues. 

Seems our POTUS is focused on the dot. 

I'd suggest a beer summit, like in the Massachusetts case. But there seems to be a large disgruntled group, so he might need a keg.

shannonnigans
by Silver Member on Aug. 14, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Clearly you didn't read my #3 completely.  Reread where I addressed this, bolded in maroon.

Quoting militarychick17: As to #3: the protests are not peaceful. Have you seen the videos of people throwing Molotov cocktails at police? Obama has a history of speaking without having all of the facts.
Quoting shannonnigans: Ok , and these are the statements? Could you show me which statement above is disturbing and why? 1) he called the clashes "disturbing" and called for peace and calm on the streets." Ok I'd agree they are disturbing, that sounds accurate. Calling for peace and calm on the streets seems pretty normal too. Certainly doesn't interfere with anyone's due process. What do you see here that disturbs you? 2) "never an excuse for violence against police or using this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting" Absolutely agree with this. What do you find troublesome about this statement? I'm trying to see something wrong with this but I can't. 3) " no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests, or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights." Ok this one is just stating the law. Such prohibitions are statutory and supported by caselaw. Are you interpreting it to imply that he thinks all protesters have acted lawfully? That can't be it, because it was prefaced by Item No. 2 above, which makes it clear that's not what he is saying. So what about this statement disturbs you? I'm not a big Obama supporter by any stretch, and especially lately as I think he's a big foreign policy liability. But I can't see an issue with these statements as quoted in this article. They seem kind of normal.
Quoting 29again:

Obama seems to be getting pretty good at speaking before he has any facts.

 

Abaco
by on Aug. 14, 2014 at 9:44 PM
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BO called for peace and calm on the streets ? Obviously even his supporters don't listen to him ! There is nothing peaceful about the protesting (looting and vandalism) When a police officer tells you to freeze, stop, hold still, shut up....listen !
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MomTiara19
by Silver Member on Aug. 14, 2014 at 9:50 PM
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Chief Pasco needs to remember who the real commander and chief is.

President Obama is right to tell police officers to allow peaceful protests without excessive force.

Even republican leaders are calling for police enforcement to calm down.What unfolded on tv screens in Ferguson last night was a flash back from the 60s.Totally disturbing.



29again
by Gold Member on Aug. 14, 2014 at 10:20 PM
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No, Obama may be commander IN chief of the military (if Congress has called on him to do so, not sure about that.)  He has no authority over the police.   I agree that the police there are going overboard with their military equipment, and how they are treating the protestors, but this is not under Obama's authority.  He has no standing here.  He can speak, as a fellow American, but that is it.

Quoting MomTiara19:

Chief Pasco needs to remember who the real commander and chief is.

President Obama is right to tell police officers to allow peaceful protests without excessive force.

Even republican leaders are calling for police enforcement to calm down.What unfolded on tv screens in Ferguson last night was a flash back from the 60s.Totally disturbing.



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