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PRO-LIFE PROTESTERS ARE TRACKING LICENSE PLATES OF CLINIC PATIENTS AND EMPLOYEES

Posted by on Aug. 16, 2014 at 5:43 PM
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The abortion debate in America has been going on for decades and will probably continue well into the future, but rather than growing calmer and more productive, things only seem to be getting scarier. Not only has 2014 seen morebills aimed at regulating women’s bodies introduced already this year than therewe saw even last year, but now it seems that anti-abortion activists are actually tracking the license plates of people who go to abortion clinics. If that isn’t enough to terrify you, I don’t know what will. 

As you can hear in a series of audio clips taken from an anti-abortion training session held on August 4 and released to the public by NARAL Pro-Choice Texas and Progress Texas on Tuesday, tracking license plates is becoming a popular tactic, one that organizers are openly encouraging anti-choice activists to utilize. And listening to speakers boast about the times they successfully intimidated patients away from clinics or bullied employees into quitting is absolutely chilling. 

The sad but scary truth is that the self-proclaimed “pro-life” movement has a long history of deadly violence. And although anti-abortion activists would like people to believe that this is true of both sides, a Google search for “pro-choice violence” turns up mainly outraged posts about people shoving or getting into fights with protesters outside clinics, which is sort of expected given the in-your-face tactics protesters often employ. Searching “pro-life violence” on the other hand, reveals that the topic is serious enough to have its own Wikipedia page.

Since the 1970s, there have been over 6,000 incidents of violence against abortion providers in the U.S. and Canada. This includes eight murders of abortion providers, 17 attempted murders, 41 clinic bombings, 175 incidents of arson, 179 assaults, 525 documented cases of stalking, and over 3,000 incidents of vandalism or trespassing, among other crimes.

In other words, these are not the sorts of people you want tracking your license plate. Not even a little bit. 

Here’s the thing: I’m well aware that abortion is a difficult issue, one that people have all sorts of views about, and I have known plenty of pro-life people who are good people and would (I hope) never boast about harassing clinic employees into quitting their jobs. But I’m going to come out and say right here and right now that the people who use these kinds of tactics, and endorse them for others, are behaving awfully. 

Harassing women who want to exercise their constitutional and moral right to control their own reproductive destinies is awful. Tracking clinic employees and trying to get them to quit their jobs is awful. Lying to women about abortion risks or telling them a clinic has closed when it hasn’t is awful. Trying to use fear or intimidation or lies in order to take away people’s choices is awful. 

And yet as you can hear in this recording, some anti-abortion activists not only behave this way but openly and proudly boast about it. Only to be met with applause

Hopefully someday, pro-life and pro-choice people will be able to agree to disagree. Someday maybe anti-abortion protesters will focus on things likeproviding free contraception to teens and low-income women, or setting up clinics to provide women with free prenatal care, or raising money to support young mothers — you know, things that might make women feel like abortion isn’t their only feasible option or even never need to consider one in the first place. Maybe someday we’ll even live in a world where “pro-life” states aren’t also pro-death penalty

But for now, we’ve got this:

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Clairwil
by Platinum Member on Aug. 17, 2014 at 7:00 AM
So 'sidewalk counsellors', just by being there, make clients think their license plates might be tracked and their names and home addresses published, and publishing such things is threatening because some extremists will use such lists to track down targets for violence.

It doesn't matter if it actually very rarely happens. Just by publicising that it might, they increase the intimidation they can wield, and they're ok with that - their good ends justify the most extreme of means.
jaxTheMomm
by Gold Member on Aug. 17, 2014 at 9:09 AM
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It's all about scaring women away from the clinic.

jobseeker
by Bronze Member on Aug. 17, 2014 at 9:16 AM
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 I heard this rumor 12 years ago, before the 2 visit rule was in place.  This is another urban myth to shine a negative light on people praying for the lives of the unborn

jobseeker
by Bronze Member on Aug. 17, 2014 at 9:24 AM
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 or setting up clinics to provide women with free prenatal care, or raising money to support young mothers — you know, things that might make women feel like abortion isn’t their only feasible option or even never need to consider one in the first place.

 

This already happens in EVERY state in the union.  Look up Project Rachel.  Pro Life groups hold events all the time for young moms.  All I know is Catholic Charities because that is who I work with.  We offer (depending on your location) supplies, clothing, help with qualifying for housing and food assistance, even help paying for rent and utilities.

It is so common to insight ignorance.  Know what is available before you point fingers and accuse the 'other side' of being the opposite of what you are.

jaxTheMomm
by Gold Member on Aug. 17, 2014 at 9:26 AM
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You do realize they are actually being recorded saying this?

I know plenty of people who have had their pictures taken by pro-lifers outside out clinics.  I know people - escorts mostly - and have read many accounts of people who have had pro-lifers walk right up to them outside the clinic and address them by name, even when they never gave it.  

Nobody needs to shine a negative light on them.  They do it themselves.

A question: Why must they pray outside the clinic?  Can't they pray at home or at church?

Quoting jobseeker:

 I heard this rumor 12 years ago, before the 2 visit rule was in place.  This is another urban myth to shine a negative light on people praying for the lives of the unborn


jaxTheMomm
by Gold Member on Aug. 17, 2014 at 9:27 AM

It's sad that those people that stand outside clinics all day every day don't do this instead.

Why is it more important to shame and harrass women? 

Quoting jobseeker:

 or setting up clinics to provide women with free prenatal care, or raising money to support young mothers — you know, things that might make women feel like abortion isn’t their only feasible option or even never need to consider one in the first place.

 

This already happens in EVERY state in the union.  Look up Project Rachel.  Pro Life groups hold events all the time for young moms.  All I know is Catholic Charities because that is who I work with.  We offer (depending on your location) supplies, clothing, help with qualifying for housing and food assistance, even help paying for rent and utilities.

It is so common to insight ignorance.  Know what is available before you point fingers and accuse the 'other side' of being the opposite of what you are.


jaxTheMomm
by Gold Member on Aug. 17, 2014 at 9:35 AM
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This is a myth?  Why aren't these people praying at home?  Does anybody actually need to shine a negative light on them, or are they doing it themselves?



What are they doing with the cameras?

Well, they aren't just praying, are they?  They have big pictures - looks like they want to interact...

Quoting jobseeker:

 I heard this rumor 12 years ago, before the 2 visit rule was in place.  This is another urban myth to shine a negative light on people praying for the lives of the unborn


Sisteract
by Socialist Hippie on Aug. 17, 2014 at 9:37 AM

I know that I have told this story many times...

These folks used to stand outside my facility- while inside, we would be caring for drug addicted, screaming, retching, sick babies, most with absent parents. Now maybe these protesters did not have the "clear" backgrounds to volunteer inside the facility, but come on...do something instead of flapping and harassing.

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

It's sad that those people that stand outside clinics all day every day don't do this instead.

Why is it more important to shame and harrass women? 

Quoting jobseeker:

 or setting up clinics to provide women with free prenatal care, or raising money to support young mothers — you know, things that might make women feel like abortion isn’t their only feasible option or even never need to consider one in the first place.

 

This already happens in EVERY state in the union.  Look up Project Rachel.  Pro Life groups hold events all the time for young moms.  All I know is Catholic Charities because that is who I work with.  We offer (depending on your location) supplies, clothing, help with qualifying for housing and food assistance, even help paying for rent and utilities.

It is so common to insight ignorance.  Know what is available before you point fingers and accuse the 'other side' of being the opposite of what you are.



jobseeker
by Bronze Member on Aug. 17, 2014 at 11:53 AM
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 Why should they be stopped from praying outside a clinic?

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

You do realize they are actually being recorded saying this?

I know plenty of people who have had their pictures taken by pro-lifers outside out clinics.  I know people - escorts mostly - and have read many accounts of people who have had pro-lifers walk right up to them outside the clinic and address them by name, even when they never gave it.  

Nobody needs to shine a negative light on them.  They do it themselves.

A question: Why must they pray outside the clinic?  Can't they pray at home or at church?

Quoting jobseeker:

 I heard this rumor 12 years ago, before the 2 visit rule was in place.  This is another urban myth to shine a negative light on people praying for the lives of the unborn

 

 

jobseeker
by Bronze Member on Aug. 17, 2014 at 11:57 AM
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 "these people' (your own words attempt to make them less than) DO pray at home.  Nothing in these photos show anything illegal.  I am allowed to pray anywhere, anytime.  Because YOU don't like this happening does not make it wrong or negative.  If YOU feel uncomfortable being photographed, then it is a reflection of your knowing that you are doing something wrong.  If you are so confident in your actions, you would have no problem being photographed doing it.

Quoting jaxTheMomm:

This is a myth?  Why aren't these people praying at home?  Does anybody actually need to shine a negative light on them, or are they doing it themselves?

 

 

What are they doing with the cameras?

Well, they aren't just praying, are they?  They have big pictures - looks like they want to interact...

Quoting jobseeker:

 I heard this rumor 12 years ago, before the 2 visit rule was in place.  This is another urban myth to shine a negative light on people praying for the lives of the unborn

 

 

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