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Another city, another child, another death at the hands of police

Posted by on Nov. 24, 2014 at 4:08 PM
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Another Light Extinguished in Cleveland

I am sick to death of hearing about children, black children, dying at the hands of the police. This morning, I logged on to Facebook to find the story of a 12-year-old boy killed by Cleveland police. TWELVE. What’s going on in this country?!?!?!?

In this case, a good samaritan called 911 to report “a guy with a gun pointing it at people” at the Cudell Rec Center in Cleveland. In fact, the caller called twice – and clearly said the gun was “probably fake” and the guy who he saw pull the gun from his waistband was “probably a juvenile.”

Two officers responded to the call – a veteran with over a decade of experience and a rookie with less than a year on the job. The rookie said the boy picked up what he thought was a gun and placed it in his waistband. The officer demanded the boy put his hands up, but the boy instead reached for his gun. According to Deputy Chief Edward Tomba, the boy made no verbal threats or physical contact with the officers. The rookie cop fired twice at the boy, hitting him in the stomach with at least one of the shots.

Upon recovery, the officers realized the boy was holding a BB gun with the orange safety marker scratched off. Both officers have been placed on administrative leave.

So the caller said the person in question was “probably a child.” Did the 911 dispatch update the cops responding to the call? Were the cops informed the gunman in question was really a child?

Now, I know gun rights advocates will say “It was his fault, why did he reach for the gun?” And to that my response is “Are you smurfing kidding me????” Twelve-year-old boys are CHILDREN. You cannot expect a child to think and behave like a rational adult. You just can’t. You’re asking for trouble if you do. Think back to your childhood self. If someone was yelling at you over a misconception, wouldn’t you immediately try to convince them otherwise? As a woman who has lived through too many of these shootings, I know to immediately listen to police orders; I can make explanations later. But a child? What does a child know?

I have a five-year-old son. He’s my heart. And thus far, I’ve taught him that police are his friends. In fact, he always stops officers when we’re out and about. He loves saying “Hi.” He also loves asking for the junior officer stickers. I think he’s got ten in his backpack right now. This relationship with the police works right now. But soon he’s not going to be the adorable little boy. Soon, he’s going to be tall (but still adorable). When do I start teaching him to have a different relationship with the police? Instead, I pray police-citizen relations improve and I never have to teach this lesson. Wishful thinking? I hope not.

H/T Cleveland.com

http://bluenationreview.com/another-light-extinguished/?ref=00077

“If you live for having it all, what you have is never enough.” 

by on Nov. 24, 2014 at 4:08 PM
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4kidz916
by Gold Member on Nov. 24, 2014 at 5:52 PM
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This is a very sad story for many reasons.  First because a child died, second those cops will have to live with that (and I'm not excusing them but I also don't know the whole extent of the situation or how many times they see young kids with real guns in that area), thirdly-why was a child aiming a gun (even a fake gun) at a crowd of people/where were his parents?  

This is another reason that I say kids should be taught gun safety at a very early age.  My kids were taught just as I was that you never point a gun at a person, not even a fake gun.

DSamuels
by Platinum Member on Nov. 24, 2014 at 6:27 PM
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They have come out and said that the orange tip that shows it is a fake/toy gun had been removed. I feel bad for both the family and the rookie cop. Such a tragic accident on both the boys part and the cops, although without the orange tip there is no way to know it's not a real gun.

Quoting 4kidz916:

This is a very sad story for many reasons.  First because a child died, second those cops will have to live with that (and I'm not excusing them but I also don't know the whole extent of the situation or how many times they see young kids with real guns in that area), thirdly-why was a child aiming a gun (even a fake gun) at a crowd of people/where were his parents?  

This is another reason that I say kids should be taught gun safety at a very early age.  My kids were taught just as I was that you never point a gun at a person, not even a fake gun.


Sweet_Faith
by Ruby Member on Nov. 24, 2014 at 7:28 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/us-police-shoot-dead-boy-12-holding-replica-183524381.html


Chief defends Ohio cop who shot 12-year-old boy

Washington (AFP) - The chief of police in the US city of Cleveland on Monday defended the conduct of an officer who fatally shot a 12-year-old boy who was wielding a replica handgun.

Tamir Rice died in hospital early Sunday after two police officers, responding to a 911 emergency call, confronted the African-American youngster at a recreation center.

"There is no time that a Cleveland police officer wants to go out and shoot a kid, period," Cleveland police chief Calvin Williams told a press conference.

He said the officer, whose name or race he did not disclose, and who has been placed on administrative leave, was "broken up about this."

But he stood by the officer's conduct, saying "he had to protect himself" in the face of what appeared to be, in the heat of the moment, to be a genuine firearm.

"The investigation -- all the video evidence, all the scientific evidence -- will show everyone exactly what happened," he said.

Williams urged parents to educate youngsters on the dangers of all weapons, including convincing replicas like the so-called "airsoft" pellet gun Rice had been carrying.

"Our kids need to know that guns aren't toys," he said.

Visiting the scene of the shooting, the boy's father, Gregory Henderson, questioned why police didn't use a Taser electric stun gun in lieu of lethal force.

"Why not taze him?" said Henderson, who remembered his son as a "respectful" lad, the Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper reported.

-- Boy shot twice --

Rice was shot twice, including once in the torso.

The incident came as Americans awaited a grand jury's decision on whether to indict a white police officer in the St Louis, Missouri suburb of Ferguson for the fatal shooting in August of black teenager Michael Brown.

That shooting, in a majority black community with an overwhelmingly white police force and city council, prompted a national debate about race and law enforcement.

"Ferguson being out there, not being out there, doesn't matter to me," said Cleveland Mayor Frank Johnson at the same press conference.

"It's about the child, the loss of his life, the grieving of the family" and the ability of the community to overcome a tragedy, he said.

In a statement on Sunday, police said the two officers, one of them a rookie, upon arriving at the Cudell Recreation Center, "located the suspect and advised him to raise his hands."

"The suspect did not comply with the officers' orders and reached to his waistband for the gun," it said, adding: "Shots were fired and the suspect was struck in the torso."

"Further information reveals that the weapon which the 12-year-old suspect was in possession of is an 'airsoft' type replica gun resembling a semi-automatic pistol, with the orange safety indicator removed."

The caller to 911 who initiated the police response said once that a juvenile was involved, and twice that the gun was "probably fake."

Timothy Kucharski, a lawyer for the Rice family, said the boy never pointed the replica gun at the officers, the Plain Dealer reported.

-- Investigation unfolds --

Williams said Monday that in the days to come, witnesses will be interviewed, video reviewed, forensic evidence examined and a statement taken from the officer concerned.

Once that is completed, the police chief added, "all evidence" will be turned over to local prosecutors, within a 60-day timeframe.

Ohio witnessed a similar case in August, when police responding to a 911 call shot and killed a black man in a Walmart who was carrying a toy gun sold in the store.

Ohio state lawmaker Alicia Reese said Sunday she would introduce a bill to require all toy guns to be either brightly colored or bear prominent fluorescent stripes.

Meanwhile, the online activist group Anonymous, in a YouTube video, claimed responsibility for a cyberattack that knocked out the Cleveland city website Monday.

On social media, commentators noted the irony of police shooting a boy with a replica gun in Ohio -- one of several US states where openly carrying a firearm is legal.

Toshwood
by on Nov. 24, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Very sad. It's time our officers had their guns taken away. They do it in the UK. UK cops are hard asses too they will beat the shit out of you but you don't see them shooting little kids. I know it's not a popular opinion here given the amount of Ammosexuals in this group but it needs to be done! 

DSamuels
by Platinum Member on Nov. 24, 2014 at 9:47 PM
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So you will completely disarm the US? Umm, no thanks, and it won't stop people from getting and using guns.

Quoting Toshwood:

Very sad. It's time our officers had their guns taken away. They do it in the UK. UK cops are hard asses too they will beat the shit out of you but you don't see them shooting little kids. I know it's not a popular opinion here given the amount of Ammosexuals in this group but it needs to be done! 


candlegal
by Silver Member on Nov. 24, 2014 at 9:49 PM
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do not feed the trolls.

Quoting DSamuels:

So you will completely disarm the US? Umm, no thanks, and it won't stop people from getting and using guns.

Quoting Toshwood:

Very sad. It's time our officers had their guns taken away. They do it in the UK. UK cops are hard asses too they will beat the shit out of you but you don't see them shooting little kids. I know it's not a popular opinion here given the amount of Ammosexuals in this group but it needs to be done! 

DSamuels
by Platinum Member on Nov. 24, 2014 at 9:50 PM
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*hanging head in shame* I sowwy

im sorry

Quoting candlegal: do not feed the trolls.
Quoting DSamuels:

So you will completely disarm the US? Umm, no thanks, and it won't stop people from getting and using guns.

Quoting Toshwood:

Very sad. It's time our officers had their guns taken away. They do it in the UK. UK cops are hard asses too they will beat the shit out of you but you don't see them shooting little kids. I know it's not a popular opinion here given the amount of Ammosexuals in this group but it needs to be done! 


susannah2000
by on Nov. 25, 2014 at 10:31 AM

So you want the police to wait around to see if it was a real gun, right before the kid shoots and kills one of them? Would that make you happy?  Do you think a 12 year old is too young to shoot someone? They aren't. It is unfortunate that it ended the way it did, but the kid was old enough to know better than to play with a toy gun that he made look like a real gun. The police have no time to screw around wondering, if they want to live. How about these black kids start acting like human beings?

susannah2000
by on Nov. 25, 2014 at 10:33 AM
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Quoting DSamuels:

*hanging head in shame* I sowwy

im sorry

Quoting candlegal: do not feed the trolls.
Quoting DSamuels:

So you will completely disarm the US? Umm, no thanks, and it won't stop people from getting and using guns.

Quoting Toshwood:

Very sad. It's time our officers had their guns taken away. They do it in the UK. UK cops are hard asses too they will beat the shit out of you but you don't see them shooting little kids. I know it's not a popular opinion here given the amount of Ammosexuals in this group but it needs to be done! 

Don't be sad! *pats head* Toshwood is just a stupid jerk.

BaronSamedi
by Silver Member on Nov. 25, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Lack of discipline.  Lack of learned obediance.  Possibly time to process the command asuming he heard and understood it.  Question the "good samaritan".  These  people think swatting is a great joke.  Police procedure is some what at fault too.  It would have been possible to go up and physically take control?

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