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The Bible is God's word. Why?

Posted by on Jul. 18, 2012 at 7:58 PM
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I would like to know why a Christian believes that the Bible is the true word of God.

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bmcandmmh
by on Sep. 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM
I've been struggling with this myself. I think lots of parts are dramatic and depict God as cruel which infact contradicts everything a pastor or priest says. There's a specific story about God telling a king to execute a whole tribe because they "couldn't be redeemed" because they were so evil. When I began actually reading the bible it made me angry because as a Catholic who converter to Christian recently I was never told the evil ways of God. I'm actually going back to Catholic because the Christian churches I've tried are cult like.
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AdrianneHill
by Member on Sep. 3, 2012 at 11:24 AM
How are catholics not Christian?
And the angry god of the old testament still exists in the catholic Bible so I don't know how going back to the church will shove the moral contradiction of the angry, merciful, and frightening god. What is difference in the explanations of those stories from catholic to protestant?
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mnclarkefamily
by Atheist on Sep. 8, 2012 at 6:12 AM

I have read, and re-read your post, and I'm tyring to figure out how this answers my inquiry at all, or maybe I should ask, what did you interpret my inquiry to be?


It really was supposed to be a very simple question. But I shall try to re-phrase, Why is the Bible God's true word and true stories, as opposed to the Story of Icarus, or the story of Horus?

Why is the Bible not just a fairy tale?

Quoting bmcandmmh:

I've been struggling with this myself. I think lots of parts are dramatic and depict God as cruel which infact contradicts everything a pastor or priest says. There's a specific story about God telling a king to execute a whole tribe because they "couldn't be redeemed" because they were so evil. When I began actually reading the bible it made me angry because as a Catholic who converter to Christian recently I was never told the evil ways of God. I'm actually going back to Catholic because the Christian churches I've tried are cult like.


alsmullins7
by on Sep. 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM
I don't know very much about the catholic faith.
How is the catholic bible different from say the king James version(or which ever version you like)?
How is God (for lack of a better word) portrayed in the catholic bible?
And one more question do you believe Catholics are a denomination of Christianity?



Quoting bmcandmmh:

I've been struggling with this myself. I think lots of parts are dramatic and depict God as cruel which infact contradicts everything a pastor or priest says. There's a specific story about God telling a king to execute a whole tribe because they "couldn't be redeemed" because they were so evil. When I began actually reading the bible it made me angry because as a Catholic who converter to Christian recently I was never told the evil ways of God. I'm actually going back to Catholic because the Christian churches I've tried are cult like.

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PrincessNicole
by on Oct. 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

There are both internal and external evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word. The internal evidences are those things within the Bible that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more than 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction. This unity is unique from all other books and is evidence of the divine origin of the words which God moved men to record.

Another of the internal evidences that indicates the Bible is truly God’s Word is the prophecies contained within its pages. The Bible contains hundreds of detailed prophecies relating to the future of individual nations including Israel, certain cities, and mankind. Other prophecies concern the coming of One who would be the Messiah, the Savior of all who would believe in Him. Unlike the prophecies found in other religious books or those by men such as Nostradamus, biblical prophecies are extremely detailed. There are over three hundred prophecies concerning Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. Not only was it foretold where He would be born and His lineage, but also how He would die and that He would rise again. There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin. There is no other religious book with the extent or type of predictive prophecy that the Bible contains.

Clairwil
by Group Owner on Oct. 9, 2012 at 5:42 PM
Quoting PrincessNicole:

There are both internal and external evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word. The internal evidences are those things within the Bible that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more than 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction. This unity is unique from all other books and is evidence of the divine origin of the words which God moved men to record.

What is the evolutionary history of ancient Judaism?

In about 2200 BCE, the Amorites (a nomadic Semitic people, originally from the Levant, in Syria) were hit by a drought and migrated west to settle in the Judean mountains, in Canaan.  They eventually built a number of small cities, including Shaddai, but were tall and retained a reputation for being fierce (if uncivilised) warriors.  Their local patron was a variant on Enki, and was referred to as El (chief God), or to distinguish him from the chief gods of other cities, the El Shaddai (the chief God of Shaddai).

In about 1420 BCE, the Egyptian pharaoh Amenhotep II goes on a successful campaign in Canaan, capturing 89,600 prisoners, including some mountain Apiru or Habiru (disreputable nomadic bandits or mercenaries).

The Kenites are a tribe of Shasu (Bedouin nomadic tinkers and shepherds from Midian, in the Sinai desert) and, according to the Amarna Letters (a set of Egyptian tablets dating back to around 1340 BCE), their tribal God is YHWH.

In about 1200 BCE, there starts to be evidence of some Israeli settlements in the mountainous regions of Canaan.  There's no evidence of mass invasion or slaughter - it seems to have been a merging of tribes, mainly Canaanite, with some external Kenite influence.  These Israelis are monolatrist, not monotheist (monotheism hasn't been invented yet), but do worship Yahweh as their patron deity, and Ishtar alongside him, as His consort (he's even briefly added into the Canaanite pantheon, as a cupbearer and son of the chief Deity, but is swiftly promoted, in the local area, to being the chief Himself).

By about 1000 BCE, the Israelis (under a leader, David) have taken control of parts of Canaan, which splits into two Kingdoms a few years after his death:


and over the next 500 years the sources which will eventually get redacted into a single document (The Torah) are written:

BCE

 950 : the Yahwist source ( J )
 850 : the Elohist source ( E )
 719 : Northern kingdom, Israel, falls to Assyria
 600 : the Deuteronomist ( D )
 587 : Southern kingdom, Judah, falls to Babylon
 500 : the Priestly source ( P )


These document not only had a different style and content, they were each written for a different political purpose (eg justifying the united kingdom, versus stamping out heresy during the exile):

"J was identified with a rich narrative style, E was somewhat less eloquent, P's language was dry and legalistic. Vocabulary items such as the names of God, or the use of Horeb (E and D) or Sinai (J and P) for God's mountain; ritual objects such as the ark, mentioned frequently in J but never in E; the status of judges (never mentioned in P) and prophets (mentioned only in E and D); the means of communication between God and humanity (J's God meets in person with Adam and Abraham, E's God communicates through dreams, P's can only be approached through the priesthood)"  (source)

It is notable that monotheism enters the documents only after the concept became popularised by Zoroastrianism.

For further information, see:


Clairwil
by Group Owner on Oct. 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM
Quoting PrincessNicole:

There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin.

How do you explain the failed prophecies in the Bible?

AdrianneHill
by Member on Oct. 9, 2012 at 7:08 PM
And isn't it possible that Jesus and his disciples knew the prophecies they could fulfill and needed to fill to be consider legitimate? So maybe they did things intentionally or the stories were later written with the prophecy fillers already in and done as though it was a surprise to everyone around at the time.

And of course, many more prophecies haven't come to press than those which have.
And I'm insulted we are no longer deemed worthy of miracles to bring in the faithful. Show it to me as it was shown to then and my faith will be as strong as theirs.


Quoting Clairwil:


Quoting PrincessNicole:

There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin.

How do you explain the failed prophecies in the Bible?

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PrincessNicole
by on Nov. 16, 2012 at 10:09 AM

First of all, tell me which "failed" prophesies you're referring to.  I don't know of any that are failed.

Second, there are still miracles that happen every single day all over the world. I, myself have been the receiver of many miraculous interventions.  For example, when I was pregnant with my son, at 19 weeks they found a 10 cm tumor in my uterus via ultrasound.  I laid there under ultrasound for 45 mins so they could assess whether or not it was an actual tumor or whether it was simply a contraction that would go away.  It did not go away and I was diagnosed with a tumor.  They made an appointment for me to see a specialist the following week.

That Sunday I went to church and asked my Pastor to lay hands on me for healing.  I told him what the problem was and he prayed with me and said, "Now go back to your doctor and get a good report."  I went to the next appointment and, under ultrasound, there was no tumor detected.  It was GONE.  The doctor had no explanation.  And when I told him that I had had hands laid on me, he said that it must have been God.  

Miracles happen every day.  When you have faith, you see them all the time.  This is just one example from my own life.

Quoting AdrianneHill:

And isn't it possible that Jesus and his disciples knew the prophecies they could fulfill and needed to fill to be consider legitimate? So maybe they did things intentionally or the stories were later written with the prophecy fillers already in and done as though it was a surprise to everyone around at the time.

And of course, many more prophecies haven't come to press than those which have.
And I'm insulted we are no longer deemed worthy of miracles to bring in the faithful. Show it to me as it was shown to then and my faith will be as strong as theirs.


Quoting Clairwil:


Quoting PrincessNicole:

There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin.

How do you explain the failed prophecies in the Bible?


AdrianneHill
by Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 10:42 AM
I'm not in the mood for research but one of the big ones is when Jesus said he would be back before the people who knew had died. I'm sure that didn't happen.

Quoting PrincessNicole:

First of all, tell me which "failed" prophesies you're referring to.  I don't know of any that are failed.

Second, there are still miracles that happen every single day all over the world. I, myself have been the receiver of many miraculous interventions.  For example, when I was pregnant with my son, at 19 weeks they found a 10 cm tumor in my uterus via ultrasound.  I laid there under ultrasound for 45 mins so they could assess whether or not it was an actual tumor or whether it was simply a contraction that would go away.  It did not go away and I was diagnosed with a tumor.  They made an appointment for me to see a specialist the following week.

That Sunday I went to church and asked my Pastor to lay hands on me for healing.  I told him what the problem was and he prayed with me and said, "Now go back to your doctor and get a good report."  I went to the next appointment and, under ultrasound, there was no tumor detected.  It was GONE.  The doctor had no explanation.  And when I told him that I had had hands laid on me, he said that it must have been God.  

Miracles happen every day.  When you have faith, you see them all the time.  This is just one example from my own life.

Quoting AdrianneHill:

And isn't it possible that Jesus and his disciples knew the prophecies they could fulfill and needed to fill to be consider legitimate? So maybe they did things intentionally or the stories were later written with the prophecy fillers already in and done as though it was a surprise to everyone around at the time.



And of course, many more prophecies haven't come to press than those which have.

And I'm insulted we are no longer deemed worthy of miracles to bring in the faithful. Show it to me as it was shown to then and my faith will be as strong as theirs.




Quoting Clairwil:



Quoting PrincessNicole:

There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin.

How do you explain the failed prophecies in the Bible?


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