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I watched the Vice Presidential debate. I thought it was much more spirited than the Presidential debate. I also thought Vice President Joe Biden was the clear winner. I will be interested to hear what you ladies thought and what the general consensus will be all over the internet.

As I watched the live feed online there were comments constantly streaming alongside. It is amazing to be able to see commentary live while you are actually watching the debate. I don’t know how people type that fast though!

Overall I thought Biden’s experience in foreign affairs showed. He obviously knew what he
was talking about. I did not love his laughing at everything Ryan said though, that seemed a bit smug.

I thought the moderator was great. She maintained control, asked good questions, and required that her questions were answered. Did you like her?

She repeatedly questioned Ryan why he and Romney have refused to show any actual plans, to delineate exactly what cuts they would make and which loopholes would be closed. I wonder why they will not come forth with that, too. How do you feel about that?

On the abortion question, a quote from Twitter: “@dannysullivan Ryan: my faith guides everything. Biden: my faith is strong enough I don't have to impose it on those of other faiths.”

Did you watch the debate? Do you agree or disagree with my assessment? I welcome all thoughts and opinions.

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by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 12:00 AM
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falconmomma
by New Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM
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Ryan! Biden and his smarmy smirks were a total turnoff. The reason Ryan and Romney are not able to provide specifics to the tax issue is unless they are in office, there is NOTHING they can do. I agree with Romney and Ryan in that if we have more people working and working at the pay level they should be, w really shouldn't have to increase taxes since more people are paying.

mom_to_travis
by Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 4:34 PM
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This is because liberals know how to admit when something didn't go very well, as opposed to most republicans who are incapable of admitting anything good about Obama or Biden.  It's very unbecoming.

Quoting mom2twinboyz:


Look Romney's debate was fair as even the liberal media didn't cry fair and gave him the credit.

Quoting Melanie420:

psh, okay acting very unprofessional and interupting a moderater in a big important debate on national television is such a good canidate. Yes I can compare the 2, Biden laughed, Romney interuppting shows that he wont listen to anyone but himself, he thinks hes always right. No class at all.

Quoting mom2twinboyz:


OMFG! are you kidding? Did you even watch the debates? There is no comparaison to how Romney handled himself vs Lieden. Romney spoke with concivtion while still respecting his opponent and conducted himself like an elder statesman and looked very much presidential. Biden came across as a 12 year old school yard bully. No class at all!!

Quoting Melanie420:


Quoting mom2twinboyz:

Quoting Melanie420:




Not 82 times? And Romney didn't laugh and guffaw as they were trying to discuss serious issues.

He smirked everytime Obama said something, and Ryan sounded like an idiot, its hard not to laugh. What do you mean not 82 times, everytime the moderator opened his mouth Romney decided he had something to say!





mom2twinboyz
by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 4:34 PM

 

I have done plenty of soul searching into what views and values I hold and why I hold them. Just because they are not a leftist view does not make them wrong. Why don't you do some soul searching and realize that not everyone who doesn't agree with you is bad. It's called tolerance for those who have a different opinion. Look into it.

Quoting annelauer:

Once again, do some fact checking or actually look into the information.  There isn't a "death panel" that decides who gets coverage and for what.  That is a LIE and has been proven so.  The Affordable Care Act is not socialized medicine.  (Although it would be much better if it were.)  And people DO die because they cannot afford medical care.  I know someone who died of gangrene.  Easily treatable.  Couldn't afford to see a doctor.  She could walk in and see a doctor, but then she would be billed for the visit.  Imagine the financial implications of someone with cancer.  You should READ the Affordable Care Act rather than blather on about it when you don't know what you are talking about.  There is certainly nothing in it that dictates that the "government can make all of your medical decisions".  

I would go on to explain socialism in more detail, but it is likely to either go over your head, or you will ignore it.  What you are complaining about is government regulation of insurance companies who are screwing people over because their only obligation is to make profits.  They are still for-profit (not socialized), but now they can't conduct some of the atrocities that they did in the past.  They can no longer kick you off of insurance once you become ill.  They cannot deny you coverage because of a preexisting condition thereby only insuring the healthy.  They cannot cut off care to a premature baby who is being hospitalized because he has already cost the lifetime cap.  How on earth do you feel that serves the people?  It does not.  It only serves the profits.  

Once again, you have a hard time with staying on topic, but in regards to terminating pregnancy, it is a right that we have been awarded as US Citizens via the Supreme Court.  It's strange to me that Republicans claim to want the government to "stay out" of things, when what they appear to want is for the government to rescind rights.  I believe that people have a right to health care, clean water and air, to conduct their lives as they see fit as long as it is not negatively impacting the lives of others.  I think it is delusional to say that people who can't afford babies should be required to have babies, but that public assistance should not exist.  And then to claim that you care about the children or their rights.  Shouldn't they be fed?  Shouldn't they be allowed medical treatment?  Shouldn't they be allowed an education?  According to your party: No.  They only have the right to exist hungry, sick, and uneducated.  That is is epitome of cold-hearted.  It truly is tragic that part of mankind can think that way.

Please, do some soul-searching, some independent thinking.  No TV, no radio.  Figure out what your values truly are and then OBJECTIVELY look into how your political views line up with your values.  I can't imagine that there are many people out there who are truly as uncaring as the GOP policies would imply.  A few awful people have just found enough others who do are happier to listen to their lies than to research and think for themselves.  I would like to believe that you are not an uncompassionate person, just one who is momentarily a little misguided.  Good luck finding your way. 

Quoting mom2twinboyz:

Quoting annelauer:


You are delusional! I am heartless because I don't support socialized medicine? wtf? I don't want people to die while they are waiting months for the govt to decide/ or approve if they need a life saving medical procedures. Look people are not refused medical care in the US. You can walk into a hospital and be treated insurance or not don't be dramatic. I am not heartless because I don't think the govt needs to get involved in my medical care. I don't get libs the govt can make all their medical decisions but when it comes to the right to kill their babies by God the govt has to stay out of that one.

 


annelauer
by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 4:44 PM
You have repeatedly shown that you haven't looked into the facts. This was a two-stepped suggestion. Please feel free to reread it. Step one: get a clue. Step two: align your morals. You can't align your morals with a party when you clearly haven't a clue as to what either of them stand for. I am not intolerant of those with researched, thoughtful views that differ from mine. I do have a tendency to get annoyed with people with no logical or factual basis for their opinions and who spout feelings as facts. It's bad for our country and the individuals within it.


Quoting mom2twinboyz:

 


I have done plenty of soul searching into what views and values I hold and why I hold them. Just because they are not a leftist view does not make them wrong. Why don't you do some soul searching and realize that not everyone who doesn't agree with you is bad. It's called tolerance for those who have a different opinion. Look into it.


Quoting annelauer:


Once again, do some fact checking or actually look into the information.  There isn't a "death panel" that decides who gets coverage and for what.  That is a LIE and has been proven so.  The Affordable Care Act is not socialized medicine.  (Although it would be much better if it were.)  And people DO die because they cannot afford medical care.  I know someone who died of gangrene.  Easily treatable.  Couldn't afford to see a doctor.  She could walk in and see a doctor, but then she would be billed for the visit.  Imagine the financial implications of someone with cancer.  You should READ the Affordable Care Act rather than blather on about it when you don't know what you are talking about.  There is certainly nothing in it that dictates that the "government can make all of your medical decisions".  


I would go on to explain socialism in more detail, but it is likely to either go over your head, or you will ignore it.  What you are complaining about is government regulation of insurance companies who are screwing people over because their only obligation is to make profits.  They are still for-profit (not socialized), but now they can't conduct some of the atrocities that they did in the past.  They can no longer kick you off of insurance once you become ill.  They cannot deny you coverage because of a preexisting condition thereby only insuring the healthy.  They cannot cut off care to a premature baby who is being hospitalized because he has already cost the lifetime cap.  How on earth do you feel that serves the people?  It does not.  It only serves the profits.  


Once again, you have a hard time with staying on topic, but in regards to terminating pregnancy, it is a right that we have been awarded as US Citizens via the Supreme Court.  It's strange to me that Republicans claim to want the government to "stay out" of things, when what they appear to want is for the government to rescind rights.  I believe that people have a right to health care, clean water and air, to conduct their lives as they see fit as long as it is not negatively impacting the lives of others.  I think it is delusional to say that people who can't afford babies should be required to have babies, but that public assistance should not exist.  And then to claim that you care about the children or their rights.  Shouldn't they be fed?  Shouldn't they be allowed medical treatment?  Shouldn't they be allowed an education?  According to your party: No.  They only have the right to exist hungry, sick, and uneducated.  That is is epitome of cold-hearted.  It truly is tragic that part of mankind can think that way.


Please, do some soul-searching, some independent thinking.  No TV, no radio.  Figure out what your values truly are and then OBJECTIVELY look into how your political views line up with your values.  I can't imagine that there are many people out there who are truly as uncaring as the GOP policies would imply.  A few awful people have just found enough others who do are happier to listen to their lies than to research and think for themselves.  I would like to believe that you are not an uncompassionate person, just one who is momentarily a little misguided.  Good luck finding your way. 


Quoting mom2twinboyz:


Quoting annelauer:


You are delusional! I am heartless because I don't support socialized medicine? wtf? I don't want people to die while they are waiting months for the govt to decide/ or approve if they need a life saving medical procedures. Look people are not refused medical care in the US. You can walk into a hospital and be treated insurance or not don't be dramatic. I am not heartless because I don't think the govt needs to get involved in my medical care. I don't get libs the govt can make all their medical decisions but when it comes to the right to kill their babies by God the govt has to stay out of that one.

 




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LoveOfSign
by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 4:48 PM

If I had to choose I'd say ryan.

mom_to_travis
by Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Oh, AMEN.  It gets so annoying to try to have a conversation with someone who refuses to accept FACTS and clearly makes no attempt to educate themselves.  Defiant ignorance.  No thank you.

Quoting annelauer:

You have repeatedly shown that you haven't looked into the facts. This was a two-stepped suggestion. Please feel free to reread it. Step one: get a clue. Step two: align your morals. You can't align your morals with a party when you clearly haven't a clue as to what either of them stand for. I am not intolerant of those with researched, thoughtful views that differ from mine. I do have a tendency to get annoyed with people with no logical or factual basis for their opinions and who spout feelings as facts. It's bad for our country and the individuals within it.


Quoting mom2twinboyz:



I have done plenty of soul searching into what views and values I hold and why I hold them. Just because they are not a leftist view does not make them wrong. Why don't you do some soul searching and realize that not everyone who doesn't agree with you is bad. It's called tolerance for those who have a different opinion. Look into it.


Quoting annelauer:


Once again, do some fact checking or actually look into the information.  There isn't a "death panel" that decides who gets coverage and for what.  That is a LIE and has been proven so.  The Affordable Care Act is not socialized medicine.  (Although it would be much better if it were.)  And people DO die because they cannot afford medical care.  I know someone who died of gangrene.  Easily treatable.  Couldn't afford to see a doctor.  She could walk in and see a doctor, but then she would be billed for the visit.  Imagine the financial implications of someone with cancer.  You should READ the Affordable Care Act rather than blather on about it when you don't know what you are talking about.  There is certainly nothing in it that dictates that the "government can make all of your medical decisions".  


I would go on to explain socialism in more detail, but it is likely to either go over your head, or you will ignore it.  What you are complaining about is government regulation of insurance companies who are screwing people over because their only obligation is to make profits.  They are still for-profit (not socialized), but now they can't conduct some of the atrocities that they did in the past.  They can no longer kick you off of insurance once you become ill.  They cannot deny you coverage because of a preexisting condition thereby only insuring the healthy.  They cannot cut off care to a premature baby who is being hospitalized because he has already cost the lifetime cap.  How on earth do you feel that serves the people?  It does not.  It only serves the profits.  


Once again, you have a hard time with staying on topic, but in regards to terminating pregnancy, it is a right that we have been awarded as US Citizens via the Supreme Court.  It's strange to me that Republicans claim to want the government to "stay out" of things, when what they appear to want is for the government to rescind rights.  I believe that people have a right to health care, clean water and air, to conduct their lives as they see fit as long as it is not negatively impacting the lives of others.  I think it is delusional to say that people who can't afford babies should be required to have babies, but that public assistance should not exist.  And then to claim that you care about the children or their rights.  Shouldn't they be fed?  Shouldn't they be allowed medical treatment?  Shouldn't they be allowed an education?  According to your party: No.  They only have the right to exist hungry, sick, and uneducated.  That is is epitome of cold-hearted.  It truly is tragic that part of mankind can think that way.


Please, do some soul-searching, some independent thinking.  No TV, no radio.  Figure out what your values truly are and then OBJECTIVELY look into how your political views line up with your values.  I can't imagine that there are many people out there who are truly as uncaring as the GOP policies would imply.  A few awful people have just found enough others who do are happier to listen to their lies than to research and think for themselves.  I would like to believe that you are not an uncompassionate person, just one who is momentarily a little misguided.  Good luck finding your way. 


Quoting mom2twinboyz:


Quoting annelauer:


You are delusional! I am heartless because I don't support socialized medicine? wtf? I don't want people to die while they are waiting months for the govt to decide/ or approve if they need a life saving medical procedures. Look people are not refused medical care in the US. You can walk into a hospital and be treated insurance or not don't be dramatic. I am not heartless because I don't think the govt needs to get involved in my medical care. I don't get libs the govt can make all their medical decisions but when it comes to the right to kill their babies by God the govt has to stay out of that one.






mom2twinboyz
by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 4:50 PM

 

 http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2012/01/obamacare-obama-ends-medicare-as-we-know-it

 

Here are some facts about Obama Care. Who are you to say I don't do research?

 

I can provide you with any facts you want! I really don't have to explain myself to you but I will. I am conservative because I happen to believe in small govt and personal accountablility and responsibility and I think the government is too big. I don't think the president has done anything his term and its not to be blamed solely on congress.

Obama care will happen to drain medicare... therfore I guess you want seniors to die. Feel free to want to burden your children with this shit but I don't. How does that not align with my morals? Oh I forgot is is because I don't agree with you almighty?

Quoting annelauer:

You have repeatedly shown that you haven't looked into the facts. This was a two-stepped suggestion. Please feel free to reread it. Step one: get a clue. Step two: align your morals. You can't align your morals with a party when you clearly haven't a clue as to what either of them stand for. I am not intolerant of those with researched, thoughtful views that differ from mine. I do have a tendency to get annoyed with people with no logical or factual basis for their opinions and who spout feelings as facts. It's bad for our country and the individuals within it.


Quoting mom2twinboyz:

 


I have done plenty of soul searching into what views and values I hold and why I hold them. Just because they are not a leftist view does not make them wrong. Why don't you do some soul searching and realize that not everyone who doesn't agree with you is bad. It's called tolerance for those who have a different opinion. Look into it.


Quoting annelauer:


Once again, do some fact checking or actually look into the information.  There isn't a "death panel" that decides who gets coverage and for what.  That is a LIE and has been proven so.  The Affordable Care Act is not socialized medicine.  (Although it would be much better if it were.)  And people DO die because they cannot afford medical care.  I know someone who died of gangrene.  Easily treatable.  Couldn't afford to see a doctor.  She could walk in and see a doctor, but then she would be billed for the visit.  Imagine the financial implications of someone with cancer.  You should READ the Affordable Care Act rather than blather on about it when you don't know what you are talking about.  There is certainly nothing in it that dictates that the "government can make all of your medical decisions".  


I would go on to explain socialism in more detail, but it is likely to either go over your head, or you will ignore it.  What you are complaining about is government regulation of insurance companies who are screwing people over because their only obligation is to make profits.  They are still for-profit (not socialized), but now they can't conduct some of the atrocities that they did in the past.  They can no longer kick you off of insurance once you become ill.  They cannot deny you coverage because of a preexisting condition thereby only insuring the healthy.  They cannot cut off care to a premature baby who is being hospitalized because he has already cost the lifetime cap.  How on earth do you feel that serves the people?  It does not.  It only serves the profits.  


Once again, you have a hard time with staying on topic, but in regards to terminating pregnancy, it is a right that we have been awarded as US Citizens via the Supreme Court.  It's strange to me that Republicans claim to want the government to "stay out" of things, when what they appear to want is for the government to rescind rights.  I believe that people have a right to health care, clean water and air, to conduct their lives as they see fit as long as it is not negatively impacting the lives of others.  I think it is delusional to say that people who can't afford babies should be required to have babies, but that public assistance should not exist.  And then to claim that you care about the children or their rights.  Shouldn't they be fed?  Shouldn't they be allowed medical treatment?  Shouldn't they be allowed an education?  According to your party: No.  They only have the right to exist hungry, sick, and uneducated.  That is is epitome of cold-hearted.  It truly is tragic that part of mankind can think that way.


Please, do some soul-searching, some independent thinking.  No TV, no radio.  Figure out what your values truly are and then OBJECTIVELY look into how your political views line up with your values.  I can't imagine that there are many people out there who are truly as uncaring as the GOP policies would imply.  A few awful people have just found enough others who do are happier to listen to their lies than to research and think for themselves.  I would like to believe that you are not an uncompassionate person, just one who is momentarily a little misguided.  Good luck finding your way. 


Quoting mom2twinboyz:


Quoting annelauer:


You are delusional! I am heartless because I don't support socialized medicine? wtf? I don't want people to die while they are waiting months for the govt to decide/ or approve if they need a life saving medical procedures. Look people are not refused medical care in the US. You can walk into a hospital and be treated insurance or not don't be dramatic. I am not heartless because I don't think the govt needs to get involved in my medical care. I don't get libs the govt can make all their medical decisions but when it comes to the right to kill their babies by God the govt has to stay out of that one.

 


 


 

mom_to_travis
by Member on Oct. 12, 2012 at 5:17 PM
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LOL, great source.  A website devoted to bashing the Left.

"The Heritage Foundation is a research and educational institution—a think tank—whose mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense"

Wow, what a shock that their "facts" completely support your conservative views!

Quoting mom2twinboyz:


 http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2012/01/obamacare-obama-ends-medicare-as-we-know-it


Here are some facts about Obama Care. Who are you to say I don't do research?


I can provide you with any facts you want! I really don't have to explain myself to you but I will. I am conservative because I happen to believe in small govt and personal accountablility and responsibility and I think the government is too big. I don't think the president has done anything his term and its not to be blamed solely on congress.

Obama care will happen to drain medicare... therfore I guess you want seniors to die. Feel free to want to burden your children with this shit but I don't. How does that not align with my morals? Oh I forgot is is because I don't agree with you almighty?

Quoting annelauer:

You have repeatedly shown that you haven't looked into the facts. This was a two-stepped suggestion. Please feel free to reread it. Step one: get a clue. Step two: align your morals. You can't align your morals with a party when you clearly haven't a clue as to what either of them stand for. I am not intolerant of those with researched, thoughtful views that differ from mine. I do have a tendency to get annoyed with people with no logical or factual basis for their opinions and who spout feelings as facts. It's bad for our country and the individuals within it.


Quoting mom2twinboyz:



I have done plenty of soul searching into what views and values I hold and why I hold them. Just because they are not a leftist view does not make them wrong. Why don't you do some soul searching and realize that not everyone who doesn't agree with you is bad. It's called tolerance for those who have a different opinion. Look into it.


Quoting annelauer:


Once again, do some fact checking or actually look into the information.  There isn't a "death panel" that decides who gets coverage and for what.  That is a LIE and has been proven so.  The Affordable Care Act is not socialized medicine.  (Although it would be much better if it were.)  And people DO die because they cannot afford medical care.  I know someone who died of gangrene.  Easily treatable.  Couldn't afford to see a doctor.  She could walk in and see a doctor, but then she would be billed for the visit.  Imagine the financial implications of someone with cancer.  You should READ the Affordable Care Act rather than blather on about it when you don't know what you are talking about.  There is certainly nothing in it that dictates that the "government can make all of your medical decisions".  


I would go on to explain socialism in more detail, but it is likely to either go over your head, or you will ignore it.  What you are complaining about is government regulation of insurance companies who are screwing people over because their only obligation is to make profits.  They are still for-profit (not socialized), but now they can't conduct some of the atrocities that they did in the past.  They can no longer kick you off of insurance once you become ill.  They cannot deny you coverage because of a preexisting condition thereby only insuring the healthy.  They cannot cut off care to a premature baby who is being hospitalized because he has already cost the lifetime cap.  How on earth do you feel that serves the people?  It does not.  It only serves the profits.  


Once again, you have a hard time with staying on topic, but in regards to terminating pregnancy, it is a right that we have been awarded as US Citizens via the Supreme Court.  It's strange to me that Republicans claim to want the government to "stay out" of things, when what they appear to want is for the government to rescind rights.  I believe that people have a right to health care, clean water and air, to conduct their lives as they see fit as long as it is not negatively impacting the lives of others.  I think it is delusional to say that people who can't afford babies should be required to have babies, but that public assistance should not exist.  And then to claim that you care about the children or their rights.  Shouldn't they be fed?  Shouldn't they be allowed medical treatment?  Shouldn't they be allowed an education?  According to your party: No.  They only have the right to exist hungry, sick, and uneducated.  That is is epitome of cold-hearted.  It truly is tragic that part of mankind can think that way.


Please, do some soul-searching, some independent thinking.  No TV, no radio.  Figure out what your values truly are and then OBJECTIVELY look into how your political views line up with your values.  I can't imagine that there are many people out there who are truly as uncaring as the GOP policies would imply.  A few awful people have just found enough others who do are happier to listen to their lies than to research and think for themselves.  I would like to believe that you are not an uncompassionate person, just one who is momentarily a little misguided.  Good luck finding your way. 


Quoting mom2twinboyz:


Quoting annelauer:


You are delusional! I am heartless because I don't support socialized medicine? wtf? I don't want people to die while they are waiting months for the govt to decide/ or approve if they need a life saving medical procedures. Look people are not refused medical care in the US. You can walk into a hospital and be treated insurance or not don't be dramatic. I am not heartless because I don't think the govt needs to get involved in my medical care. I don't get libs the govt can make all their medical decisions but when it comes to the right to kill their babies by God the govt has to stay out of that one.







mom2twinboyz
by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM
1 mom liked this
Quoting mom_to_travis:




Ooh and I am sure your facts support your leftist views. Why does the left demonize those who have different opinions? Don't you preach tolerance? Should be tolerance for those who think exactly like they do. Bleh!
annelauer
by on Oct. 12, 2012 at 5:49 PM
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It's not demonizing.  It is expecting TRUTH to outweigh convenience.  The difference between the "facts" that you have mentioned and the facts that respect are that yours are PAID advertisements that you are accepting as facts even though they have been disproven.  In post after post you have made assertions that have been proven to be LIES, inaccuracies, untruths.  I can see how it would be hard for you to accept that you are incapable of understanding the difference between the ad and the content, but that is what is going on here.  Generally, people on the left expect to see proof and process rather than opinion masquerading as fact.  So, no our facts do not support our views, it is the other way around, our views were built based on the facts.  That is what it means to be progressive.

Quoting mom2twinboyz:

Quoting mom_to_travis:




Ooh and I am sure your facts support your leftist views. Why does the left demonize those who have different opinions? Don't you preach tolerance? Should be tolerance for those who think exactly like they do. Bleh!


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