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I find this offensive...anyone else?

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 I live in a small town. The school district has decided to place pictures of animals on their busses so that the smaller kids that cannot read numbers know which bus is theirs For example bus 123-Cat or Bus 321-Dog...

This morning I was at a redlight and I see a short bus (the bus used to transport the handicap and special needs children) and the picture of the animal is a fucking TURTLE! Now I don't know if this was intentional but I found that to be extremely offensive towards special needs...

(I worked for the state training special needs adults and evaluating behaviors so this is offensive to me and I think it should be removed, it's rude.)

by on Mar. 3, 2014 at 8:25 AM
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Mrs_Velez
by Member on Mar. 17, 2014 at 9:42 AM

 I'm not hurt over the comments. Like I said they are just opinions. I have a problem with people attacking other people over their opinions. It's immature. We are all adults here. In case you haven't read all the 700+ comments there are mothers talking about how their special needs child is more important that another persons special needs child. It's gotten out of hand. I'm a big girl, I can handle my own but I won't put up with other people getting bashed because of their opinion. I'm okay with the fact that some people don't agree with me. I'm not okay with the fact that moms with children with special needs think their are superior to other moms and therfore decide to call them names that is beyond uncalled for. Like I said I'm done here and so is this post. You will need to find somewhere else to get your drama fix.

Quoting tiafez:

well aren't you ready for the turtle bus. your thread got people talking but now you want to pull it because you got butt hurted. please don't, it's childish to post and pull because the replies didn't award you super hero o' the day. 

Quoting Mrs_Velez:

 This has gone way to far.

This was just supposed to be a simple post for simple opinions. Yes or no would have been fine!

700+ comments later and you women are arguing about who has the child with the most special needs...and who has more right to their opinion. 

This is crazy. Most of you bashed me for my opinion yet you show no care or regard for anyone else just because you think your opinion overrides theirs because YOU have a child with special needs. I didn't post this so that the mom's with children with special needs could come out pistols blazing and bash the other moms. Okay, you have a child that has special needs and you don't find this offensive? Thank you for your opinion now move along. You don't have to sit around and call the other moms that do find this offensive names and tell them how wrong their opinion is. It's called an opinon for a reason. Now take yours and shove it up your ass if you can't be nice about it.

Moving on....

This post will be deleted later today.

 

 

Tal0n
by New Member on Mar. 17, 2014 at 10:15 AM

You are putting your opinion on an open forum called The Venting Booth.  Do you have issues with reading comprehension? (This is a serious question and not a slam. If you do have reading comprehension issues, I apologize in advance.)

You're going to get responses that you don't like.  I have no obligation to treat you in any way except to abide by the site's TOS.  Which I do.  Beyond that, you get what you get.  Again.  VENTING. BOOTH. You are not entitled to be treated with kid gloves.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

I found your post extremely inane and offensive; both the original and the reply to my post.  And you're going to get replies that reflect that.  I'm not certain how much simpler I can make this. 

I don't know a single autistic adult who says, "I have autism".  Not one.  I've had NT people correct me as to how I refer to myself and frankly I'm not having it.  My Aspie daughter (who has corrected people since before she could actually speak) won't stand for it.  My sister, my niece, my other homeschool moms with kids on the spectrum...they don't care for it.  We are autistic.  Autism is not something you HAVE; it is something you ARE.

To each their own?  I don't know.  To say one "has autism" shows a lack of understanding of just what autism IS.

I don't know where you're getting your rosy view of people on the autistic spectrum, but here's a hint: We're PEOPLE.  All kinds of PEOPLE.  We're not pod persons or stereotypes or cut-outs of the same person.  Some of us are quite violent actually.  And some of us, it's true, simply have no tolerance for for bullshit.  We've slogged through it our whole lives and see no reason whatsoever to put up with it in any way, shape or form now.  I can be perfectly polite should the situation call for it.  And you're pretty thin-skinned if you think I "slammed" you so very hard.

And have you really never been present for a good old fashioned autistic meltdown?  Good grief woman...the more I read your reply, the more truly ignorant of autism you seem.

My daughter laughed at your comments about people on the spectrum not being mean or that they're more polite and that there's no tolerance in this household.  She's a teenager.  And aside from being an Aspie, she probably has more experience with more autistic persons than you do.

I reiterate: We're PEOPLE.  And it's actually pretty offensive for you to proclaim that most autistic people are one way or another.  There's a reason it's called a spectrum.  If you ARE on the spectrum...which seems doubtful...perhaps you would do well to educate yourself.

And Chibi...my 14 year old Aspie finds it ridiculous that ANYONE is offended by a TURTLE.  Yes, she does understand that the "short" bus transports Special Needs kids; her autistic cousin (Chibi Jr.)rides one.  Her uncle (Chibi Jr's father) is an exotic's and reptilian specialist.  Turtles are AWESOME.  And also?  Ninjas.


Quoting DianeDennis:

My goodness, I certainly did not expect to get slammed like that.  I'm on the spectrum as well.  I think I'm allowed to have my opinion without being treated like you have treated me, aren't I?  You claim you're on the spectrum but typically people on the spectrum are not as mean as you are.

Autistic vs. having Autism --  Go figure, the other I was corrected by the leader of a support group for saying "our Autistic kids".  To each his own eh?  The other thing is that people on the spectrum are typically much more polite than you are, even my own son has it going on so much better than you.  And tolerance?  Sounds like it doesn't exist in your household.  Sad...

Quoting Tal0n:

Oh PLEASE.

My Autistic 14 year old AND my Autistic self both think that your reply is one of the most ignorant, over-reaching, over-reacting, and in Chibi's words, "down right ridiculous" thing we've read in at least a week. (By the way...we're AUTISTIC. We don't "have" autisim as autisim is NOT a disease.  It is part of the way we're hardwired and because autism affects how we experience life, it is not something that can be seperated from ourselves.  If you were autistic, you might understand that.)

No matter WHAT animal is put on the bus, SOMEONE like you is going to have an issue with it.  Educate yourself about turtles for starters.  As a matter of fact, do some real research on terrapins in general.  Just like kids, turtles and tortoises are much more than a single stereotype.

And incase you missed it...Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was remade in 2012.  It's awesome (I'm a lifetime TMNT fan) and wildly popular.  Trust me.  No one is making fun of the turtle bus.

Quoting DianeDennis:


I agree that it's offensive.  [BTW my 20 year old son has Autism]

Our special needs kids may love turtles and be completely not bothered by a turtle representing their bus but that's because they're innocent and sweet and have no idea that a neurotypical (NT) schoolmate can use it against them.  

Unfortunately the NT bullies will turn it around and tell the kids that they're as slow and dumb as turtles and that that's why the turtle is on their bus.  [I'm not saying turtles are dumb, I love turtles] :)

Some kids may not be affected by that bullying but I guarantee some will (my son would have been) and some will lose their love of turtles because the NT kids put a negative spin on turtles in association with our children and in so doing take away the positive that our kids feel about turtles.  

In addition it will affect their psyche, one more thing to be bullied about.

Whether it was intentional on the part of the folks who put the animals on the bus or not, they need to take a look at the potential damage the turtle can cause and swap it out pronto.

Maybe give them the biggest, baddest, smartest animal there is to reinforce strength and intelligence in the special needs kids and at the same time take away the opportunity for the NT bullies to use it against our special needs kids.

I like the idea of putting it in front of the kids to see what they want but even that has to be "controlled" in the sense of don't include as a choice any animals that we know NT's  will use to bully our kids.

As an aside, the woman who formed our Young Adults Autism Support Group (she has since resigned) chose Wiley(sp?) Coyote as the "logo" for the group.  Parents are bothered by that because Wiley always loses and is always laughed at by the Roadrunner.  So I expect we'll be changing our "logo" and I think it's for the best that we do.

Parents of special needs kids are more in tune (for want of a better phrase) to what images and words can represent because we have to be extra vigilant in helping our kids to understand what words and images represent and/or imply.  So we see both sides automatically.  Turtles are tough in the sense of their shells (a positive) but they're slow (which can be perceived as negative).  And unfortunately the negative seems to always outweigh the positive when trying to work with our kids.

We're also more protective of our kids than parents of NT kids are (I mean nothing negative by that statement, it's simply that our kids require more protection than most NT kids do) so we're quicker to be offended by something such as the turtle on the special needs bus.  

And many parents of NT kids won't or can't understand some parents of special needs kids being offended by certain things because those NT parents most often haven't had to deal with, to the same extreme, the same issues parents of special needs kids have to deal with.

I hope this makes sense.  

Whether one is offended by it or not, the important thing is how will it affect our special needs kids at school with their NT schoolmates.  And on top of that our kids oftentimes can't explain what's happening so they could already be being bullied about it and the parents don't know.

Edited to include:  Although this is probably not practical it would be interesting to have the entire school vote on what their favorite animal is or what animal they perceive to be the toughest, strongest, baddest, etc. animal (without telling them why) and then take the majority vote and put that animal on the special needs bus. ;o)




Anonymous
by Anonymous 139 on Mar. 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM
Oh stfu you knew what you were doing when you posted this. Delete it oh no! Lol

Quoting Mrs_Velez:

 This has gone way to far.


This was just supposed to be a simple post for simple opinions. Yes or no would have been fine!


700+ comments later and you women are arguing about who has the child with the most special needs...and who has more right to their opinion. 


This is crazy. Most of you bashed me for my opinion yet you show no care or regard for anyone else just because you think your opinion overrides theirs because YOU have a child with special needs. I didn't post this so that the mom's with children with special needs could come out pistols blazing and bash the other moms. Okay, you have a child that has special needs and you don't find this offensive? Thank you for your opinion now move along. You don't have to sit around and call the other moms that do find this offensive names and tell them how wrong their opinion is. It's called an opinon for a reason. Now take yours and shove it up your ass if you can't be nice about it.


Moving on....


This post will be deleted later today.

tiafez
by Member on Mar. 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM
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you knew where you were posting when you posted. I've seen you post in other groups, this is what you do. many of know your pattern. if you can't handle "drama" then don't open this thread again but let us grown adults decide for ourselves what we can handle.  just walk away and let grown adults discuss, argue, and *gasp* be mean to other grown adults. you don't need to monitor and chastise grown adults. Us big people can police ourselves. I've learned a lot from reading the posts, I'd rather talk with fifty people who do not see eye to eye than be monitored and kept polite with ten who think the same. 

Quoting Mrs_Velez:

 I'm not hurt over the comments. Like I said they are just opinions. I have a problem with people attacking other people over their opinions. It's immature. We are all adults here. In case you haven't read all the 700+ comments there are mothers talking about how their special needs child is more important that another persons special needs child. It's gotten out of hand. I'm a big girl, I can handle my own but I won't put up with other people getting bashed because of their opinion. I'm okay with the fact that some people don't agree with me. I'm not okay with the fact that moms with children with special needs think their are superior to other moms and therfore decide to call them names that is beyond uncalled for. Like I said I'm done here and so is this post. You will need to find somewhere else to get your drama fix.

Quoting tiafez:

well aren't you ready for the turtle bus. your thread got people talking but now you want to pull it because you got butt hurted. please don't, it's childish to post and pull because the replies didn't award you super hero o' the day. 

Quoting Mrs_Velez:

 This has gone way to far.

This was just supposed to be a simple post for simple opinions. Yes or no would have been fine!

700+ comments later and you women are arguing about who has the child with the most special needs...and who has more right to their opinion. 

This is crazy. Most of you bashed me for my opinion yet you show no care or regard for anyone else just because you think your opinion overrides theirs because YOU have a child with special needs. I didn't post this so that the mom's with children with special needs could come out pistols blazing and bash the other moms. Okay, you have a child that has special needs and you don't find this offensive? Thank you for your opinion now move along. You don't have to sit around and call the other moms that do find this offensive names and tell them how wrong their opinion is. It's called an opinon for a reason. Now take yours and shove it up your ass if you can't be nice about it.

Moving on....

This post will be deleted later today.


 


Mrs_Velez
by Member on Mar. 18, 2014 at 8:15 AM

Go ahead, if my posts make you happy and keeps you busy then by all means...go for it. I'll leave the damn thing up...for now. I'm out of the conversation though. I'm way to busy this week to fool with this post anymore. I have children to teach and test to give. Adios.

DianeDennis
by on Mar. 18, 2014 at 3:29 PM

I'm with you Mrs_Velez...  The lack of tolerance and slamming and everything that's going on here, the assumptions being made, etc., I'm shocked that so many moms would come out and slam other moms.  I'm leaving this thread as well after the same person viciously smacked me down twice (and even involved her children in the smackdown).  If you decide to delete this post I totally support you.  There's enough hate in this world without the women in this forum adding more hate (not all the women, just the women that are).  Have a great day Mrs_Velez! :)  Diane

Quoting Mrs_Velez:

Go ahead, if my posts make you happy and keeps you busy then by all means...go for it. I'll leave the damn thing up...for now. I'm out of the conversation though. I'm way to busy this week to fool with this post anymore. I have children to teach and test to give. Adios.


DianeDennis
by on Mar. 18, 2014 at 3:32 PM

I am SOOOOO done with you, your intolerance, and your kids' intolerance.  Your assumptions are way off base and you don't know me personally (and should probably hope that you never run into me if you don't want a loud piece of my mind).  Go off in your perfect little world with your perfect little intolerant children and don't expect to hear from me again.  You are rude and uncouth and definitely not worth my time.  Ciao!

Quoting Tal0n:

You are putting your opinion on an open forum called The Venting Booth.  Do you have issues with reading comprehension? (This is a serious question and not a slam. If you do have reading comprehension issues, I apologize in advance.)

You're going to get responses that you don't like.  I have no obligation to treat you in any way except to abide by the site's TOS.  Which I do.  Beyond that, you get what you get.  Again.  VENTING. BOOTH. You are not entitled to be treated with kid gloves.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

I found your post extremely inane and offensive; both the original and the reply to my post.  And you're going to get replies that reflect that.  I'm not certain how much simpler I can make this. 

I don't know a single autistic adult who says, "I have autism".  Not one.  I've had NT people correct me as to how I refer to myself and frankly I'm not having it.  My Aspie daughter (who has corrected people since before she could actually speak) won't stand for it.  My sister, my niece, my other homeschool moms with kids on the spectrum...they don't care for it.  We are autistic.  Autism is not something you HAVE; it is something you ARE.

To each their own?  I don't know.  To say one "has autism" shows a lack of understanding of just what autism IS.

I don't know where you're getting your rosy view of people on the autistic spectrum, but here's a hint: We're PEOPLE.  All kinds of PEOPLE.  We're not pod persons or stereotypes or cut-outs of the same person.  Some of us are quite violent actually.  And some of us, it's true, simply have no tolerance for for bullshit.  We've slogged through it our whole lives and see no reason whatsoever to put up with it in any way, shape or form now.  I can be perfectly polite should the situation call for it.  And you're pretty thin-skinned if you think I "slammed" you so very hard.

And have you really never been present for a good old fashioned autistic meltdown?  Good grief woman...the more I read your reply, the more truly ignorant of autism you seem.

My daughter laughed at your comments about people on the spectrum not being mean or that they're more polite and that there's no tolerance in this household.  She's a teenager.  And aside from being an Aspie, she probably has more experience with more autistic persons than you do.

I reiterate: We're PEOPLE.  And it's actually pretty offensive for you to proclaim that most autistic people are one way or another.  There's a reason it's called a spectrum.  If you ARE on the spectrum...which seems doubtful...perhaps you would do well to educate yourself.

And Chibi...my 14 year old Aspie finds it ridiculous that ANYONE is offended by a TURTLE.  Yes, she does understand that the "short" bus transports Special Needs kids; her autistic cousin (Chibi Jr.)rides one.  Her uncle (Chibi Jr's father) is an exotic's and reptilian specialist.  Turtles are AWESOME.  And also?  Ninjas.


Quoting DianeDennis:

My goodness, I certainly did not expect to get slammed like that.  I'm on the spectrum as well.  I think I'm allowed to have my opinion without being treated like you have treated me, aren't I?  You claim you're on the spectrum but typically people on the spectrum are not as mean as you are.

Autistic vs. having Autism --  Go figure, the other I was corrected by the leader of a support group for saying "our Autistic kids".  To each his own eh?  The other thing is that people on the spectrum are typically much more polite than you are, even my own son has it going on so much better than you.  And tolerance?  Sounds like it doesn't exist in your household.  Sad...

Quoting Tal0n:

Oh PLEASE.

My Autistic 14 year old AND my Autistic self both think that your reply is one of the most ignorant, over-reaching, over-reacting, and in Chibi's words, "down right ridiculous" thing we've read in at least a week. (By the way...we're AUTISTIC. We don't "have" autisim as autisim is NOT a disease.  It is part of the way we're hardwired and because autism affects how we experience life, it is not something that can be seperated from ourselves.  If you were autistic, you might understand that.)

No matter WHAT animal is put on the bus, SOMEONE like you is going to have an issue with it.  Educate yourself about turtles for starters.  As a matter of fact, do some real research on terrapins in general.  Just like kids, turtles and tortoises are much more than a single stereotype.

And incase you missed it...Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was remade in 2012.  It's awesome (I'm a lifetime TMNT fan) and wildly popular.  Trust me.  No one is making fun of the turtle bus.

Quoting DianeDennis:


I agree that it's offensive.  [BTW my 20 year old son has Autism]

Our special needs kids may love turtles and be completely not bothered by a turtle representing their bus but that's because they're innocent and sweet and have no idea that a neurotypical (NT) schoolmate can use it against them.  

Unfortunately the NT bullies will turn it around and tell the kids that they're as slow and dumb as turtles and that that's why the turtle is on their bus.  [I'm not saying turtles are dumb, I love turtles] :)

Some kids may not be affected by that bullying but I guarantee some will (my son would have been) and some will lose their love of turtles because the NT kids put a negative spin on turtles in association with our children and in so doing take away the positive that our kids feel about turtles.  

In addition it will affect their psyche, one more thing to be bullied about.

Whether it was intentional on the part of the folks who put the animals on the bus or not, they need to take a look at the potential damage the turtle can cause and swap it out pronto.

Maybe give them the biggest, baddest, smartest animal there is to reinforce strength and intelligence in the special needs kids and at the same time take away the opportunity for the NT bullies to use it against our special needs kids.

I like the idea of putting it in front of the kids to see what they want but even that has to be "controlled" in the sense of don't include as a choice any animals that we know NT's  will use to bully our kids.

As an aside, the woman who formed our Young Adults Autism Support Group (she has since resigned) chose Wiley(sp?) Coyote as the "logo" for the group.  Parents are bothered by that because Wiley always loses and is always laughed at by the Roadrunner.  So I expect we'll be changing our "logo" and I think it's for the best that we do.

Parents of special needs kids are more in tune (for want of a better phrase) to what images and words can represent because we have to be extra vigilant in helping our kids to understand what words and images represent and/or imply.  So we see both sides automatically.  Turtles are tough in the sense of their shells (a positive) but they're slow (which can be perceived as negative).  And unfortunately the negative seems to always outweigh the positive when trying to work with our kids.

We're also more protective of our kids than parents of NT kids are (I mean nothing negative by that statement, it's simply that our kids require more protection than most NT kids do) so we're quicker to be offended by something such as the turtle on the special needs bus.  

And many parents of NT kids won't or can't understand some parents of special needs kids being offended by certain things because those NT parents most often haven't had to deal with, to the same extreme, the same issues parents of special needs kids have to deal with.

I hope this makes sense.  

Whether one is offended by it or not, the important thing is how will it affect our special needs kids at school with their NT schoolmates.  And on top of that our kids oftentimes can't explain what's happening so they could already be being bullied about it and the parents don't know.

Edited to include:  Although this is probably not practical it would be interesting to have the entire school vote on what their favorite animal is or what animal they perceive to be the toughest, strongest, baddest, etc. animal (without telling them why) and then take the majority vote and put that animal on the special needs bus. ;o)





gramattmom
by New Member on Mar. 18, 2014 at 3:39 PM

It took me a minute to get it but turtles are slow..

Quoting Sister_Someone:

I... don't get it.


jenval
by on Mar. 19, 2014 at 10:25 AM

whoa!!!!!!!

Tal0n
by New Member on Mar. 19, 2014 at 1:11 PM

I thought you were already done with me.  I didn't bother to reply to your last because you made it pretty clear.  The only interest I have in your posts at this point is the amusement factor you provide my CHILD and my autistic friends. (Who, by the way, would PAY to see you try and give me a piece of your mind.)

Honey, if you ever actually met me in person...I'm literally laughing.  Clearly you've had whatever medication you use today and are feeling your oats.  Confidence is a good thing and I commend you for it.  But I back down from no one and nothing.  Loud piece of your mind?  I would laugh in your face.  I've done it before to people who think they can intimidate me.  Can't be done. Ever. I don't get intimidated.  Not online, not in person.  I advocate for people who cannot speak for themselves to authority figures.  Your little hissy fits are nothing compared to bringing a Doctor down from his High 'n Mighty God Complex to remind him he's (supposedly) human.

When I say something, I mean it.  You should try it sometime.  If you're done with me, and your amusing little head vision of what I'm like, then BE DONE.  You're a small person with a closed little mind.  Try and wrap it around simple concepts...like following through on things you say...and go from there.  Maybe someday you'll be ready to be an actual adult.  Keep practicing.  But for heaven sakes, don't continue to reply to me when you've stated you're done with me!!  That just sets a bad example and sends the wrong messages.

Ta-ta!


Quoting DianeDennis:

I am SOOOOO done with you, your intolerance, and your kids' intolerance.  Your assumptions are way off base and you don't know me personally (and should probably hope that you never run into me if you don't want a loud piece of my mind).  Go off in your perfect little world with your perfect little intolerant children and don't expect to hear from me again.  You are rude and uncouth and definitely not worth my time.  Ciao!

Quoting Tal0n:

You are putting your opinion on an open forum called The Venting Booth.  Do you have issues with reading comprehension? (This is a serious question and not a slam. If you do have reading comprehension issues, I apologize in advance.)

You're going to get responses that you don't like.  I have no obligation to treat you in any way except to abide by the site's TOS.  Which I do.  Beyond that, you get what you get.  Again.  VENTING. BOOTH. You are not entitled to be treated with kid gloves.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

I found your post extremely inane and offensive; both the original and the reply to my post.  And you're going to get replies that reflect that.  I'm not certain how much simpler I can make this. 

I don't know a single autistic adult who says, "I have autism".  Not one.  I've had NT people correct me as to how I refer to myself and frankly I'm not having it.  My Aspie daughter (who has corrected people since before she could actually speak) won't stand for it.  My sister, my niece, my other homeschool moms with kids on the spectrum...they don't care for it.  We are autistic.  Autism is not something you HAVE; it is something you ARE.

To each their own?  I don't know.  To say one "has autism" shows a lack of understanding of just what autism IS.

I don't know where you're getting your rosy view of people on the autistic spectrum, but here's a hint: We're PEOPLE.  All kinds of PEOPLE.  We're not pod persons or stereotypes or cut-outs of the same person.  Some of us are quite violent actually.  And some of us, it's true, simply have no tolerance for for bullshit.  We've slogged through it our whole lives and see no reason whatsoever to put up with it in any way, shape or form now.  I can be perfectly polite should the situation call for it.  And you're pretty thin-skinned if you think I "slammed" you so very hard.

And have you really never been present for a good old fashioned autistic meltdown?  Good grief woman...the more I read your reply, the more truly ignorant of autism you seem.

My daughter laughed at your comments about people on the spectrum not being mean or that they're more polite and that there's no tolerance in this household.  She's a teenager.  And aside from being an Aspie, she probably has more experience with more autistic persons than you do.

I reiterate: We're PEOPLE.  And it's actually pretty offensive for you to proclaim that most autistic people are one way or another.  There's a reason it's called a spectrum.  If you ARE on the spectrum...which seems doubtful...perhaps you would do well to educate yourself.

And Chibi...my 14 year old Aspie finds it ridiculous that ANYONE is offended by a TURTLE.  Yes, she does understand that the "short" bus transports Special Needs kids; her autistic cousin (Chibi Jr.)rides one.  Her uncle (Chibi Jr's father) is an exotic's and reptilian specialist.  Turtles are AWESOME.  And also?  Ninjas.


Quoting DianeDennis:

My goodness, I certainly did not expect to get slammed like that.  I'm on the spectrum as well.  I think I'm allowed to have my opinion without being treated like you have treated me, aren't I?  You claim you're on the spectrum but typically people on the spectrum are not as mean as you are.

Autistic vs. having Autism --  Go figure, the other I was corrected by the leader of a support group for saying "our Autistic kids".  To each his own eh?  The other thing is that people on the spectrum are typically much more polite than you are, even my own son has it going on so much better than you.  And tolerance?  Sounds like it doesn't exist in your household.  Sad...

Quoting Tal0n:

Oh PLEASE.

My Autistic 14 year old AND my Autistic self both think that your reply is one of the most ignorant, over-reaching, over-reacting, and in Chibi's words, "down right ridiculous" thing we've read in at least a week. (By the way...we're AUTISTIC. We don't "have" autisim as autisim is NOT a disease.  It is part of the way we're hardwired and because autism affects how we experience life, it is not something that can be seperated from ourselves.  If you were autistic, you might understand that.)

No matter WHAT animal is put on the bus, SOMEONE like you is going to have an issue with it.  Educate yourself about turtles for starters.  As a matter of fact, do some real research on terrapins in general.  Just like kids, turtles and tortoises are much more than a single stereotype.

And incase you missed it...Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was remade in 2012.  It's awesome (I'm a lifetime TMNT fan) and wildly popular.  Trust me.  No one is making fun of the turtle bus.

Quoting DianeDennis:


I agree that it's offensive.  [BTW my 20 year old son has Autism]

Our special needs kids may love turtles and be completely not bothered by a turtle representing their bus but that's because they're innocent and sweet and have no idea that a neurotypical (NT) schoolmate can use it against them.  

Unfortunately the NT bullies will turn it around and tell the kids that they're as slow and dumb as turtles and that that's why the turtle is on their bus.  [I'm not saying turtles are dumb, I love turtles] :)

Some kids may not be affected by that bullying but I guarantee some will (my son would have been) and some will lose their love of turtles because the NT kids put a negative spin on turtles in association with our children and in so doing take away the positive that our kids feel about turtles.  

In addition it will affect their psyche, one more thing to be bullied about.

Whether it was intentional on the part of the folks who put the animals on the bus or not, they need to take a look at the potential damage the turtle can cause and swap it out pronto.

Maybe give them the biggest, baddest, smartest animal there is to reinforce strength and intelligence in the special needs kids and at the same time take away the opportunity for the NT bullies to use it against our special needs kids.

I like the idea of putting it in front of the kids to see what they want but even that has to be "controlled" in the sense of don't include as a choice any animals that we know NT's  will use to bully our kids.

As an aside, the woman who formed our Young Adults Autism Support Group (she has since resigned) chose Wiley(sp?) Coyote as the "logo" for the group.  Parents are bothered by that because Wiley always loses and is always laughed at by the Roadrunner.  So I expect we'll be changing our "logo" and I think it's for the best that we do.

Parents of special needs kids are more in tune (for want of a better phrase) to what images and words can represent because we have to be extra vigilant in helping our kids to understand what words and images represent and/or imply.  So we see both sides automatically.  Turtles are tough in the sense of their shells (a positive) but they're slow (which can be perceived as negative).  And unfortunately the negative seems to always outweigh the positive when trying to work with our kids.

We're also more protective of our kids than parents of NT kids are (I mean nothing negative by that statement, it's simply that our kids require more protection than most NT kids do) so we're quicker to be offended by something such as the turtle on the special needs bus.  

And many parents of NT kids won't or can't understand some parents of special needs kids being offended by certain things because those NT parents most often haven't had to deal with, to the same extreme, the same issues parents of special needs kids have to deal with.

I hope this makes sense.  

Whether one is offended by it or not, the important thing is how will it affect our special needs kids at school with their NT schoolmates.  And on top of that our kids oftentimes can't explain what's happening so they could already be being bullied about it and the parents don't know.

Edited to include:  Although this is probably not practical it would be interesting to have the entire school vote on what their favorite animal is or what animal they perceive to be the toughest, strongest, baddest, etc. animal (without telling them why) and then take the majority vote and put that animal on the special needs bus. ;o)






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