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There is an explosion Of special needs children.


Their mothers that have 3 or4 kids and each of them have something different. I'm really thinking about doing my thesis on this. There are so many different factors like genetics, environment ..Prenatal care or lack of. Exposure.


What are your thoughts on a family having 3-4 kids all with a issue. Whether it be autism, add or sensory ..etc
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by on Jan. 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM
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GoodyBrook
by on Jan. 22, 2013 at 8:41 PM

I'm not convinced that there is an "explosion" of special needs children.  If we were to go back 50 or even 20 years ago, I think the numbers would be the same, but the diagnosis just wasn't there...  Why?  Maybe health care is more affordable now?  Maybe there are more specialists?  Maybe healthcare is in more communities now than 50 years ago?

moroccanmommy
by Bronze Member on Jan. 22, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Actually they're now saying " we've made a mistake By making the DSv so broad....more children were diagnose then should have been"

Quoting GoodyBrook:

I'm not convinced that there is an "explosion" of special needs children.  If we were to go back 50 or even 20 years ago, I think the numbers would be the same, but the diagnosis just wasn't there...  Why?  Maybe health care is more affordable now?  Maybe there are more specialists?  Maybe healthcare is in more communities now than 50 years ago?

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peaches_04
by on Jan. 22, 2013 at 9:19 PM
I think a lot of it is environmental factors especially diet
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jconney80
by Group Mod on Jan. 22, 2013 at 9:31 PM
That's not what I meant. I just thought it was funny that I share with you that all 3 of my kids are autistic and you come in the other group I'm in with you and start asking about why there is an increase in families with 3-4 kids that have special needs. I found it offensive. Call me sensitive... Whatever. Just didn't find it much of a coincidence. I'm sick of people being so incredibly uneducated about autism.

Quoting moroccanmommy:

Wow do you really think I'm talking about you? Listen I have my big girl panties on. I'm in school and starting to think about my thesis.

I have worked with children and families for over 20 years. And as wonderful as you. I'm not going to base my thesis on you. I don't even know you.

Just because me n you had a debate on sleep and melatonin doesn't mean I'm going to talk about you . Wow




Quoting jconney80:

There is no big explosion of them. They've always been there. Parents were just always forced to deal with them and blamed for the problem. Now that time has gone on more people with undiagnosed problems are having kids and so on etc. It's genetic and hereditary. No one wants to believe it. They just blame it on whatever is convenient.





I didn't do any of the same stuff with any of my pregnancies or any of their births. All of my kids are autistic. It runs in my family that I can date back to 1904. I'm sure it goes back much further. There are a lot more kids out there not diagnosed.





BTW I love how you continue to talk about me in this group from the other one. Nice.
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jconney80
by Group Mod on Jan. 22, 2013 at 9:49 PM
They are THEORISTS. Theories. Meaning they can't be proven.

So basically if you think Maslow is correct (funny he studied Einstein who is a classic case of autism lol) then you're saying that my children who all have special needs didn't have adequate love or their basic physical needs met and that is why they have problems with autism, sensory processing disorder, ADHD, etc? You're basically saying if parents were better parents their kids wouldn't have autism or valid genetic disorders? My younger two kids... Who have never CIO, are still nursing into toddlerhood, have two loving parents who adore & respect them, bedshared, have two parents who work with them extensively throughout the day and have since birth, have never gone hungry and thirsty.. Have special needs because their needs haven't been met?

Do you see how offensive that is?

And by Maslows standards/ hierarchy every child in America would have special needs because they didn't have sex in childhood. One of his most basic physical needs is sex. So why isn't everyone running around with ASD, SPD, dyslexia... Etc etc that isn't getting any all the time? His theories have long since been torn down and shown not to be seen in every society or every situation. That's why they call them theorists. They are merely human beings guessing and interpreting. And who knows if they had autism or if their brains were functioning. If he thought Albert Einstein was the perfect person to use as a basis in your studies for your theories something might be wrong with his brain. He wore the same clothes every day and had his whole life managed for him.

I've taken psychology and sociology courses also. Psychology is merely flawed human beings' personal, narrow views of the world. The more I know about autism the more I know that psychology is all just a guessing game taken as science. If you can't prove it over and over again it isn't true in the scientific world.
Quoting moroccanmommy:

I'm not pin pointing autism. My post is not about only autism ... I'm talking about disorders in children. I'm very sorry that all your children suffer from autism. I worked with a child for 4 years that was severely autistic and I know it can be challengingng. He couldn't talk and swayed ..he was super sweet. I was able to teach in some signs.



That's awesome you tracked it back so far.


Now Erickson , piaget. Maslow. Are Very well respected theroist. And negative utero exposure and environment play huge rolls in ALL children's development.




Quoting jconney80:

LOL OMG this is so offensive. Saying environment causes autism is so ridiculous. Autism is caused by a malformation of the brain.
Quoting moroccanmommy:

Therioes vary... I did some research last week on the neurological connections in the brain while in utero with various teragein exposure . In utero is so important ..... Erikson and Piaget makes sense..

environment also plays a huge role, in that, family cohesion and interactions are indicators of out come. Even Maslow's theory makes a lot of sense.
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moroccanmommy
by Bronze Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 7:13 AM
Sadly I think you want to be offended. You are taking many post personal ..like people are talking about you personally.

There is no one size fits all. You have missed the point. Because you are sure its about your parenting or even you



My post u quote mentioned other theories .. and yes often times.environment ..lack of basic needs....and exposure has effects on children ..that's not a new concept. It doesnt mean a parent of a special need did anything ...you are trying to escalate what I said.
Please just be a little more relaxed.



Quoting jconney80:

They are THEORISTS. Theories. Meaning they can't be proven.

So basically if you think Maslow is correct (funny he studied Einstein who is a classic case of autism lol) then you're saying that my children who all have special needs didn't have adequate love or their basic physical needs met and that is why they have problems with autism, sensory processing disorder, ADHD, etc? You're basically saying if parents were better parents their kids wouldn't have autism or valid genetic disorders? My younger two kids... Who have never CIO, are still nursing into toddlerhood, have two loving parents who adore & respect them, bedshared, have two parents who work with them extensively throughout the day and have since birth, have never gone hungry and thirsty.. Have special needs because their needs haven't been met?

Do you see how offensive that is?

And by Maslows standards/ hierarchy every child in America would have special needs because they didn't have sex in childhood. One of his most basic physical needs is sex. So why isn't everyone running around with ASD, SPD, dyslexia... Etc etc that isn't getting any all the time? His theories have long since been torn down and shown not to be seen in every society or every situation. That's why they call them theorists. They are merely human beings guessing and interpreting. And who knows if they had autism or if their brains were functioning. If he thought Albert Einstein was the perfect person to use as a basis in your studies for your theories something might be wrong with his brain. He wore the same clothes every day and had his whole life managed for him.

I've taken psychology and sociology courses also. Psychology is merely flawed human beings' personal, narrow views of the world. The more I know about autism the more I know that psychology is all just a guessing game taken as science. If you can't prove it over and over again it isn't true in the scientific world.
Quoting moroccanmommy:

I'm not pin pointing autism. My post is not about only autism ... I'm talking about disorders in children. I'm very sorry that all your children suffer from autism. I worked with a child for 4 years that was severely autistic and I know it can be challengingng. He couldn't talk and swayed ..he was super sweet. I was able to teach in some signs.



That's awesome you tracked it back so far.


Now Erickson , piaget. Maslow. Are Very well respected theroist. And negative utero exposure and environment play huge rolls in ALL children's development.







Quoting jconney80:

LOL OMG this is so offensive. Saying environment causes autism is so ridiculous. Autism is caused by a malformation of the brain.
Quoting moroccanmommy:

Therioes vary... I did some research last week on the neurological connections in the brain while in utero with various teragein exposure . In utero is so important ..... Erikson and Piaget makes sense..

environment also plays a huge role, in that, family cohesion and interactions are indicators of out come. Even Maslow's theory makes a lot of sense.
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moroccanmommy
by Bronze Member on Jan. 23, 2013 at 7:18 AM
Parinod a little?

I did not know all three of your kids had autism. I know in another post you stated your oldest had it....But im not examining your kids. If you mentioned it....I didn't write it down..

relax..not everything is about you. I DONT KNOW YOU


Quoting jconney80:

That's not what I meant. I just thought it was funny that I share with you that all 3 of my kids are autistic and you come in the other group I'm in with you and start asking about why there is an increase in families with 3-4 kids that have special needs. I found it offensive. Call me sensitive... Whatever. Just didn't find it much of a coincidence. I'm sick of people being so incredibly uneducated about autism.



Quoting moroccanmommy:

Wow do you really think I'm talking about you? Listen I have my big girl panties on. I'm in school and starting to think about my thesis.



I have worked with children and families for over 20 years. And as wonderful as you. I'm not going to base my thesis on you. I don't even know you.



Just because me n you had a debate on sleep and melatonin doesn't mean I'm going to talk about you . Wow






Quoting jconney80:

There is no big explosion of them. They've always been there. Parents were just always forced to deal with them and blamed for the problem. Now that time has gone on more people with undiagnosed problems are having kids and so on etc. It's genetic and hereditary. No one wants to believe it. They just blame it on whatever is convenient.









I didn't do any of the same stuff with any of my pregnancies or any of their births. All of my kids are autistic. It runs in my family that I can date back to 1904. I'm sure it goes back much further. There are a lot more kids out there not diagnosed.









BTW I love how you continue to talk about me in this group from the other one. Nice.
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RochelleFS
by on Jan. 23, 2013 at 7:41 AM
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I have heard this before. My 11 year old dd has autism and all of her levels have always been normal though. I personally think her predisposition to auto immune and chemical sensitivity combined with pregnancy complications, meds during labor and vaxing until 1 when she had a reaction, all play a roll in her autism. She has regressive autism and developed normally until 18 mo. - 2 years when she began to regress. I don"t think there is any one blame to disorders in kids. It's genetics and a cocktail of enviromental factors imo.

Quoting moroccanmommy:

Just read an article today about vitamin D in a Natural Awakenings magazine. There was a study regarding D levels in children that did have autism. They found a common theme that these children were deficent and had extremely low levels. They started the children on 500 to 1000 units per day and they noticed within a week that some of their behaviors had significantly improved . It's worth doing more research on if your mom that has an autistic child!
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Kmary
by on Jan. 23, 2013 at 8:35 AM

I'm not in this group (yet) and have been lurking a bit.  But I wanted to throw this out there and I do hope you won't think I'm totally crazy...

I've been somewhat curious for a while now if the Back to Sleep campaign has played a role in the increasing numbers of ADHD specifically.  There are now rather well-respected studies linking poor sleep habits to children later diagnosed with ADHD.  And it has been proven that babies who sleep on their backs tend to get less deep, less restful, more interrupted sleep than those who sleep in other positions.  This less deep sleep is considered beneficial to preventing SIDS, but could it be detrimental in terms of ADHD?  And please note, I'm not suggesting that anyone stop putting their babies to sleep on their backs if they're not comfortable doing so.  I would prefer a child with ADHD to a dead baby.  I'm sure we can all agree on that.  And please refrain from telling me that your child slept on their tummy and still has ADHD as I'm certainly not suggesting this is the only cause.  But could it be a contributing factor in a child who is already presidposed to ADHD for whatever reason? In the case of SIDS, are we erring on the right side of cost/benefit equation?  Is it possible the other things we do to prevent SIDS (ventilation, tight fitting sheets, sleeping near one's parent, no smoking, no bumpers, etc) be enough and should we focus on our babies getting better, deeper sleep?  I know this is a fairly controversial position to take.

This was something I'd wondered about on my own for awhile, decided to google it and did find an article or two arguing my exact thoughts, including citation of an ADHD increase rate mirroring the exact increase in babies sleeping on their backs at that exact same time. I really don't know the answer, but I just found it interesting and it's just one more possible cause or theory to consider, I suppose. 

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