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Posted by on Oct. 10, 2007 at 8:39 PM
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I know that catholics believe that you have to repent of your sin to a priest, right? But what if you sin and and did not get a chance to repent and die. What happens then?

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Posted by on Oct. 10, 2007 at 8:39 PM
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  • LesHug
  • by on Oct. 10, 2007 at 9:56 PM

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    The sacrament of Reconciliation is tough for some people because we actually have to admit to another human being that we did something wrong.  But if you think about it -- sin is not just between you and God.  What you do affects other people and you might not even be aware of  how it does.  And the priest, as a representative of the community, reminds us of that.

    And Jesus did give the authority to forgive sins to the apostles and their successors (John 20:23).  So in addition to representing the community, the priests acts in the place of Christ.  I also see other advantages to the Sacrament of Confession:

    * We learn humility.  Talking directly to God sort of gets around the idea that we actually caused harm to other people, even if that harm is just the fact that we're not the best human being we could be.  For many people, this is the biggest obstical -- to admit to someone that we're sinners.  But like an alcoholic needs to admit they have a problem in order to get better -- admitting our problems to another person can also help us get better too.

    * We receive grace -- and grace is a very real thing.  It makes our souls ready for heaven and helps us grow stronger in faith. 

    * We are assured that our sins are forgiven and we don't have to rely on some subjective feeling.

    * We can obtain some advice on how to avoid sinning in the future.


    But the most important reason is because Jesus told us to. 
    There are actually several places in the Bible where it talks about confessing our sins to humans and not just to God.  There's a website (http://www.scripturecatholic.com/) that lists the various biblical passages that relate to Catholic teachings.  For example, here's a list of biblical references to the necessity of oral confessions:


    James 5:16 - James clearly teaches us that we must “confess our sins to one another,” not just privately to God. James 5:16 must be read in the context of James 5:14-15, which is referring to the healing power (both physical and spiritual) of the priests of the Church. Hence, when James says “therefore” in verse 16, he must be referring to the men he was writing about in verses 14 and 15 – these men are the ordained priests of the Church, to whom we must confess our sins.


    Acts 19:18 - many came to orally confess sins and divulge their sinful practices. Oral confession was the practice of the early Church just as it is today.


    Matt. 3:6; Mark 1:5 - again, this shows people confessing their sins before others as an historical practice (here to John the Baptist).


    1 Tim. 6:12 - this verse also refers to the historical practice of confessing both faith and sins in the presence of many witnesses.


    1 John 1:9 - if we confess are sins, God is faithful to us and forgives us and cleanse us. But we must confess our sins to one another.

    Num. 5:7 - this shows the historical practice of publicly confessing sins, and making public restitution.


    2 Sam. 12:14 - even though the sin is forgiven, there is punishment due for the forgiven sin. David is forgiven but his child was still taken (the consequence of his sin).


    Neh. 9:2-3 - the Israelites stood before the assembly and confessed sins publicly and interceded for each other.


    Sir. 4:26 - God tells us not to be ashamed to confess our sins, and not to try to stop the current of a river. Anyone who has experienced the sacrament of reconciliation understands the import of this verse.


    Baruch 1:14 - again, this shows that the people made confession in the house of the Lord, before the assembly.


    1 John 5:16-17; Luke 12:47-48 - there is a distinction between mortal and venial sins. This has been the teaching of the Catholic Church for 2,000 years, but, today, most Protestants no longer agree that there is such a distinction. Mortal sins lead to death and must be absolved in the sacrament of reconciliation. Venial sins do not have to be confessed to a priest, but the pious Catholic practice is to do so in order to advance in our journey to holiness.


    Matt. 5:19 - Jesus teaches that breaking the least of commandments is venial sin (the person is still saved but is least in the kingdom), versus mortal sin (the person is not saved).

    I know this is not a direct answer but I found this and thought it may help some. I posted your question in the group, when I get some good answers I'll pass them on.

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  • annieeggplant
  • by on Oct. 10, 2007 at 10:56 PM
  • I was raised Roman Catholic and went to Catholic school.  That question was brought up once during religion class. 

    The nun told us that in the event that we were going to die without a chance to confess to a priest, we could confess our sins directly to God.  I was taught that as long as you seek forgiveness from God, you will be forgiven.  It is preferred that you seek out a priest, but you would not be penalized if you could not get to one.

    I do not have anything from the Bible to back up what I was taught.  That is just what I remember from class.
  • PeggyM
  • by on Oct. 10, 2007 at 11:26 PM
  • My grandma was Catholic, and my mom and her siblings were raised Catholic, so I have a loose understanding of Catholicism.  I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that if you die with unabsolved sins, you go to purgatory (so long as they aren't big sins like murder, for which you go straight to hell, I think).  Then people need to pray you out of purgatory.  I think certain parts of my grandma's funeral had to do with praying for her soul (in case she'd gone to purgatory).  And every year, my sister (who is an atheist, but does this out of respect for our grandma) goes to mass and has a mass said for her (apparantly you can dedicate a mass to someone).  I am not Christian, but any time I happen to be in a church, I will light a candle for my grandma.  Partly out of remembrance and respect, partly in case she was right.

    Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
  • Rhonda78
  • by on Oct. 11, 2007 at 7:38 AM
  • Thanks, I uderstand the fact that we should confess to someone else. I am christian and it comes natural to be to be open about what I have done. But why to a priest? It says nothing about confessing to a priest, just to another person.

    I know you are waiting for replies. So I will wait patientlly...lol


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  • Rhonda78
  • by on Oct. 11, 2007 at 7:45 AM

  • Quoting annieeggplant:

    I was raised Roman Catholic and went to Catholic school. That question was brought up once during religion class.

    The nun told us that in the event that we were going to die without a chance to confess to a priest, we could confess our sins directly to God. I was taught that as long as you seek forgiveness from God, you will be forgiven. It is preferred that you seek out a priest, but you would not be penalized if you could not get to one.

    I do not have anything from the Bible to back up what I was taught. That is just what I remember from class.
    Doesn't it say somewhere in the bible that no sin is greater than the next, except for taking another God before him? So I don't get why for little sins you will still go to heaven if you confess straight to god, but the big ones you don't.


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  • annieeggplant
  • by on Oct. 11, 2007 at 8:27 AM
  • Good question!  I forgot to write in my original post that even though I was raised Roman Catholic, I have not considered myself Catholic for almost 20 years. 

    I am not really sure how it all works, I just read your post and it reminded me of being in religion class as a child.  We never really got into Limbo/Purgatory growing up.  The main thing the focused on was being a good person and asking forgiveness when we had done wrong.

    Sorry I could not be more helpful!
    Quoting Rhonda78:

    Doesn't it say somewhere in the bible that no sin is greater than the next, except for taking another God before him? So I don't get why for little sins you will still go to heaven if you confess straight to god, but the big ones you don't.


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  • Rhonda78
  • by on Oct. 11, 2007 at 8:34 AM

  • Quoting annieeggplant:

    Good question! I forgot to write in my original post that even though I was raised Roman Catholic, I have not considered myself Catholic for almost 20 years.

    I am not really sure how it all works, I just read your post and it reminded me of being in religion class as a child. We never really got into Limbo/Purgatory growing up. The main thing the focused on was being a good person and asking forgiveness when we had done wrong.

    Sorry I could not be more helpful!
    Quoting Rhonda78:

    Doesn't it say somewhere in the bible that no sin is greater than the next, except for taking another God before him? So I don't get why for little sins you will still go to heaven if you confess straight to god, but the big ones you don't.


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    Thats ok, thanks for tryings. =)
    Maybe someone else can help. =)



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  • LesHug
  • by on Oct. 11, 2007 at 12:49 PM
  • Here are a few I've got so far........

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    Short answer:
    We must die in a state of friendship with God.  That means no mortal sin on our souls.

    In the end, only God knows who is saved and who isn't.  But His name is Mercy, so we trust in Him.


      
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    Only God knows how He will judge each of us, but we must always be ready for that time.  We should go ASAP to Confession after we have committed a mortal sin.  Also, the longer a person waits to confess even venial sins, the harder it is to go & the more we tend to put it off.  It's so easy to let everyday life get in the way of this beautiful sacrament

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      No one knows what goes on in a person's heart moments before they die.  Our God is a loving and merciful God.  I was always taught that if we are sincere, opened our hearts to God's love and asked him for forgiveness even if it is just moments before we die and their is no priest around to confess to we are still forgiven by God. Now having said this,  only Godknows what is in our hearts.  We cannot fool God.  If our intentions are not pure and we are not truly repentful then God knows this and we will be judged accordingly. 
    Not sure how helpful these will be, they left me with questions. Let me know.

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  • Rhonda78
  • by on Oct. 11, 2007 at 1:34 PM

  • Quoting LesHug:

    Here are a few I've got so far........

    Quote:

    Short answer:
    We must die in a state of friendship with God. That means no mortal sin on our souls.

    In the end, only God knows who is saved and who isn't. But His name is Mercy, so we trust in Him.



    Quote:

    Only God knows how He will judge each of us, but we must always be ready for that time. We should go ASAP to Confession after we have committed a mortal sin. Also, the longer a person waits to confess even venial sins, the harder it is to go & the more we tend to put it off. It's so easy to let everyday life get in the way of this beautiful sacrament

    Quote:


    .
    No one knows what goes on in a person's heart moments before they die. Our God is a loving and merciful God. I was always taught that if we are sincere, opened our hearts to God's love and asked him for forgiveness even if it is just moments before we die and their is no priest around to confess to we are still forgiven by God. Now having said this, only Godknows what is in our hearts. We cannot fool God. If our intentions are not pure and we are not truly repentful then God knows this and we will be judged accordingly.
    Not sure how helpful these will be, they left me with questions. Let me know.

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    I am a little confused because in a way they sound like christian answers. I am a christian and that would be something I would probablly say.
    But the just of what I am getting is that we must confess or we will not go to heaven. Right?
    Because as a christian I believe if you are trully saved it would come natural to feel guilty and confess to God.
    Let me know if you get anymore responses. I am interested and thanks. =)



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