How do you guys feel about the modern-day definition of "feminism"? Do you identify more with the feminist movement as it was when it started (voting rights, equal pay...basically, a movement toward EQUALITY) or more toward the current world's view of feminism, as a group seeking SUPERIORITY? (I heard someone say recently: "Men have had all this time to be the superior sex, and they've effed it up. Now it's our turn.)
What do you feel about the modern view of feminism? Are you the bra-burning type? Do you feel that men and women are exactly the same, except for biological differences, and that it's only society that puts the "nurture" value in women and the "proctect" instinct in men? Or do you think that men and women are innately different animals, and need to be treated as such, but that "different" does not have to mean "inequal"?
Just curious to get some views straight from the horse's mouth...I haven't identified myself as a feminist since high school, but maybe that's because I'm only looking at one view of it.
What do you feel about the modern view of feminism? Are you the bra-burning type? Do you feel that men and women are exactly the same, except for biological differences, and that it's only society that puts the "nurture" value in women and the "proctect" instinct in men? Or do you think that men and women are innately different animals, and need to be treated as such, but that "different" does not have to mean "inequal"?
Just curious to get some views straight from the horse's mouth...I haven't identified myself as a feminist since high school, but maybe that's because I'm only looking at one view of it.
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Quote from http://happyfeminist.typepad.com/happyfeminist/2006/01/feminism_is_not.html:According to the statement given, I am a feminist....and proud of it!! (if only being a Christian were this simple, oy vay...)
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I'm a feminist and proud of it. I'm more of the original type. I want equality! I work in a field where almost all of the people in charge are men and almost all of the people doing the "grunt work" are women. In a faculty of 15, there are 2 women (who are both intelligent, strong women who I want to be like someday!)
There are days when I am more open minded to the 2nd type of feminism. I do admit that I sometimes think the world would be better with women in charge.
There are days when I am more open minded to the 2nd type of feminism. I do admit that I sometimes think the world would be better with women in charge.
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on Oct. 17, 2007 at 1:38 PM
well i dont think nurture is the only reason men are diff from woman (in terms of behavior) - i think there are inherent genetic differences that could explain this too. but i also think there are levels of this - i know some women who are all womanly, in the traditional sence, cooking, cleaming, child rearing etc. and some who act more like men! and love it that way! i really think i fall in the middle.
but at this time my dh and i have a role reversal of sorts - he is sahd for now and i work full time. and i think it will work for us ok (this is new).
but superior sex? i dont think there is such a thing. we are different, but complementary.
but at this time my dh and i have a role reversal of sorts - he is sahd for now and i work full time. and i think it will work for us ok (this is new).
but superior sex? i dont think there is such a thing. we are different, but complementary.
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on Oct. 17, 2007 at 3:31 PM
i'm pretty much the exact opposite of a feminist. i believe a woman should be home cooking and cleaning and taking care of her kids while the man goes out and works. i feel that physically and instinctively that's what men and and women, respectively, were meant for. men are stronger and more built for labor, while women are better suited to run a household (not to mention bear children). of course, i believe that everyone should be encouraged to follow their own happiness, but i think alot of the human race's natural balance was thrown off when these roles began to shift.
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Quoting sunmoonstars:
well i dont think nurture is the only reason men are diff from woman (in terms of behavior) - i think there are inherent genetic differences that could explain this too. but i also think there are levels of this - i know some women who are all womanly, in the traditional sence, cooking, cleaming, child rearing etc. and some who act more like men! and love it that way! i really think i fall in the middle.
but at this time my dh and i have a role reversal of sorts - he is sahd for now and i work full time. and i think it will work for us ok (this is new).
but superior sex? i dont think there is such a thing. we are different, but complementary.
My hubby and I are like this. He was a SAHD for over a year, but we couldn't afford it anymore. Even now, though, he'd rather cook, and I'd rather mow the lawn. Child-rearing is something we both share the responsibilities of equally.
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I'm proud of being a feminist. While I don't think there's a superior sex, I do want my girls to know that they do NOT need a man or children to be have full, satisfying lives. I think a woman can do anything a man can do except pee standing up. If something's too heavy we have machines that can lift them.
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Quoting Lorial51:
I'm proud of being a feminist. While I don't think there's a superior sex, I do want my girls to know that they do NOT need a man or children to be have full, satisfying lives. I think a woman can do anything a man can do except pee standing up. If something's too heavy we have machines that can lift them.
And then you've got my daughter, who actually DOES pee standing up.
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Quoting Hippiemama98:Well I was going to do a big long response as to how I am against feminism and what I think, but I dare say I just agree with you.
i'm pretty much the exact opposite of a feminist. i believe a woman should be home cooking and cleaning and taking care of her kids while the man goes out and works. i feel that physically and instinctively that's what men and and women, respectively, were meant for. men are stronger and more built for labor, while women are better suited to run a household (not to mention bear children). of course, i believe that everyone should be encouraged to follow their own happiness, but i think alot of the human race's natural balance was thrown off when these roles began to shift.
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on Oct. 17, 2007 at 6:49 PM
I do believe that all people are equal. Now, if I can just convince the rest of the world that were true...
I do have the unpopular opinion that the Betty Friedan version of feminism did a bit of harm. I think that the image of feminists took a big hit. They came across as crazed, unreasonable, bitches. I also believe that that brand of feminism was really just for educated middle class to wealthy women who were bored at being stay at home moms.
It totally ignored all of the working class and poor women who have to struggle day in and day out to keep their children safe, feed, and educated. It also did a lot of harm to the image of motherhood and stay at home moms.
In high school there we were in class when the teacher asked us what we wanted to be when we grew up. I was the only one who answered stay at home mom. My teacher shook his head and asked, "Why? You are so smart. I thought that you would want more from your life."
I feel that everybody should be allowed to pursue the role in life they wish to take. Be it surgeon, midwife, working mom, or stay at home mom. I can't wait for the day when someone asks "What do you do?" and when you give them your answer, they say "Cool. That sounds very interesting."
I do have the unpopular opinion that the Betty Friedan version of feminism did a bit of harm. I think that the image of feminists took a big hit. They came across as crazed, unreasonable, bitches. I also believe that that brand of feminism was really just for educated middle class to wealthy women who were bored at being stay at home moms.
It totally ignored all of the working class and poor women who have to struggle day in and day out to keep their children safe, feed, and educated. It also did a lot of harm to the image of motherhood and stay at home moms.
In high school there we were in class when the teacher asked us what we wanted to be when we grew up. I was the only one who answered stay at home mom. My teacher shook his head and asked, "Why? You are so smart. I thought that you would want more from your life."
I feel that everybody should be allowed to pursue the role in life they wish to take. Be it surgeon, midwife, working mom, or stay at home mom. I can't wait for the day when someone asks "What do you do?" and when you give them your answer, they say "Cool. That sounds very interesting."
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on Oct. 17, 2007 at 7:33 PM
Quoting msbowen:this is how I feel, exactly. I once asked my older sister if she considered herself a feminist. She said no because she liked to do all the domestic goddess stuff around the house. But she works and I know she is for equal pay, equal rights and freedom to make choices. I told her just because she enjoys to cook and keep a neat house doesn't not make her a feminist. I'm a SAHM and definately consider myself a feminist. It is MY choice to stay home and take care of my family. It is MY choice to let DH take care of oil changes, car repair etc. I'd rather not get greasy thanks! LOL!Quote from http://happyfeminist.typepad.com/happyfeminist/2006/01/feminism_is_not.html:According to the statement given, I am a feminist....and proud of it!! (if only being a Christian were this simple, oy vay...)
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