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wolfs and abortion

Posted by on Feb. 5, 2009 at 12:07 PM
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So the jump that Elisabeth made...umm.. I am not sure what to make of it.  I am pro-life.  I feel very strong about my prolife-ness.  I don't get the jump.  What does killing wolfs have to do with abortion?  Two different issues. IMO

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kdgreen07
by on Feb. 5, 2009 at 12:15 PM

I didnt get the jump and for her to say she is at a table of socialist was just wrong. I mean come on...its about a slaughter of wolves..I think she was saying instead of worrying about killing wolves we should care more about the babys who are being killed.

Now I love animals by all means, and Im antiabortion yet Im prochoice...only bc i dont want the government in my vagina.....lol.

Kaylababy girl

cleanaturalady
by on Feb. 5, 2009 at 12:17 PM

I have heard this argument so many times.  It still doesn't make sense no matter how many times people try to make the jump.  It is just a way to deflect attention from the issue.  Then when everyone at the table asked her to stick to the subject she got all pissy about it which made her look even more desperate to deflect attention.

I wish I had not watched that.  I understand that herds have to be culled and that it may be a necessary evil, but I do not want to see it.  Surely there is a more humane way to thin out the wolves than that.

                                                                  

vintagemom45
by on Feb. 5, 2009 at 12:30 PM

I think Elizabeth always deflects issues that she doesn't agree with, particularly if there's criticism of Palin, her best friend.  She is very self righteous and  looks at  issues in black and white, there is never a middle ground for her.   I wish that she would just once stick with the issue they're discussing and not go into her uppity mode.

NYMOM12
by on Feb. 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

There is no jump.  She just made a connection in a different way.  I think it is a legitmate connection. I dont necessarily agree with her but I understand her point.  If you defend life why not defend it across the board.

Psalm 19:14  May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart  be pleasing in your sight O Lord my Rock and my Redeemer

DrTink
by on Feb. 5, 2009 at 1:35 PM

At least she didn't use the Bible as her reasoning or b/c Noah built the arc. I don't mind the jump, because her reality is a 3 part jump....Animals(she's OK with)-Unborn babies(she's not OK with)- then the life lost in the war(she didn't say anything b/c she pro death in war). She's a flip-flopper and still entertaining.

She will always have a "oh yea, well about....(fill in the blank with almost anything)??"

sandeetraveler
by Member on Feb. 5, 2009 at 1:41 PM

If a celebrity makes a video speaking up for animal rights,  we do not necessarily know how they feel about abortion.

Part of Elisabeth's point is that people who support saving the animals don't care about saving babies.

I was apalled by the video.  I understand that wolves need to be controlled, but not shot from airplanes and left to die in the snow.

I am as critical of Sarah Palin as Joy or anyone else who is critcized her,  but I am  also pro life.

It is two different issues.

Unless Elisabeth had a video of the same actress promoting a pro abortion viewpoint ,  then there jjust is no comparison.

 

Maggie900
by on Feb. 5, 2009 at 2:21 PM

I understand E's jump.  People, including the press, will jump up in alarm and talk for days about a dog left to starve, but are oddly quiet when they hear of a child that is starved to death.  In my hometown we saw that first hand when a dog starved one summer and a child also died of not being feed.  The dog was front page news for days, including the owner's trial and the child was hardly mentioned.  E's beliefs make no distinction between the worth of life before birth and life after birth.  Many of us held our noses when we voted this year because of right to life issues.

As for celebrities, specifically Ashley Judd, speaking to issues that they know nothing about, is comical.  I live in the same county she keeps a home.  It is in a trendy, rural area where prized, valuable horses are raised and bred.  I wonder how she would feel if the wolves were attacking the horses, the cattle, the dogs, the cats, etc where she lives? 

The ad makes it appear as if this is a Palin hunt when it is the state legislature and state wild life agency that makes these policies.  Good grief--the bounty was enacted to encourage hunters to make sure they killed the wolves and not just wound them from the plane.  We do not live in Alaska and do not know what special needs they have as a state where wild life is concerned. 

I have some squirrels that are not going to make it to spring if we cannot keep them out of our attic.

widow1
by on Feb. 5, 2009 at 2:26 PM

I have been such a fan of The View, but this morning's show just did it for me!  Elisabeth needs to go!  She is now a detriment to the show, and i'm surprised there isn't a mechanism on The View's website that allows viewers to express their opinions on the topic.  I have been an advocate of hers in the past, but she is just over the top now.  Nonsensical, and attacking others.  She's going down the path of Rosie!

maryupnorth
by on Feb. 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Ok, I get E's point about vocal celebrities and their causes, but I think she does a disservice to children, really human beings in general, by comparing the killing of animals to abortion.  I'm personally  against abortion but ALSO pro-choice.  I think you're doing nothing to help the issue of abortion when you bring it up in relation to hunting wild animals, from the sky or otherwise.  She's confusing issues.

Also, I think Joy should be careful not to let her dislike of Palin color everything she says about her.  I wouldn't vote for Palin for prom queen much less President, but without fully researching the issue of wildlife management and herd health in Alaska, I don't know how we can say Palin is being "mean" by allowing this practice.  Whoopi was the only one who made any sense to me.

thewife1
by on Feb. 6, 2009 at 2:52 AM

I love Ashley Judd but that video was 1/2 truths, I am sorry.

I live in Alaska. They control the population of wolves b/c they are killing the Native Alaskan Villages food source. If wolves are killing the caribou and moose heards Alaskan natives starve, plain and simple!

These villages are cut off. No road in/out. There is no Whole Foods down the hwy Ashley. Give me a brake. But PETA does not talk about the native children who would starve. Hey, maybe PETA would be fine with straving native children if it meant saving the wolves. These are the same idiots that want to hook you to milking machines ladies!

It is easy for hollywood to put these issues in a cute little box right?

Sometimes things like this are a necessary evil. It is about survival.

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