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Genesis 4

 1And Adam knew Eve his wife: who conceived and brought forth Cain, saying: I have gotten a man through God.

    2And again she brought forth his brother Abel. And Abel was a shepherd, and Cain a husbandman.

    3And it came to pass after many days, that Cain offered, of the fruits of the earth, gifts to the Lord.

    4Abel also offered of the firstlings of his flock, and of their fat: and the Lord had respect to Abel, and to his offerings.

    5But to Cain and his offerings he had no respect: and Cain was exceedingly angry, and his countenance fell.

    6And the Lord said to him: Why art thou angry? and why is thy countenance fallen?

    7If thou do well, shalt thou not receive? but if ill, shall not sin forthwith be present at the door? but the lust thereof shall be under thee, and thou shalt have dominion over it.

    8And Cain said to Abel his brother: Let us go forth abroad. And when they were in the field, Cain rose up against his brother Abel, and slew him.

    9And the Lord said to Cain: Where is thy brother Abel? And he answered, I know not: am I my brother's keeper?

    10And he said to him: What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth to me from the earth.

    11Now, therefore, cursed shalt thou be upon the earth, which hath opened her mouth and received the blood of thy brother at thy hand,

    12When thou shalt till it, it shall not yield to thee its fruit: a fugitive and vagabond shalt thou be upon the earth.

    13And Cain said to the Lord: My iniquity is greater than that I may deserve pardon.

    14Behold thou dost cast me out this day from the face of the earth, and I shall be hidden from thy face, and I shall be a vagabond and a fugitive on the earth: everyone, therefore, that findeth me, shall kill me.

    15And the Lord said to him: No, it shall not be so: but whosoever shall kill Cain, shall be punished sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, that whosoever found him should not kill him.

    16And Cain went out from the face of the Lord, and dwelt as a fugitive on the earth, at the east side of Eden.

    17And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived, and brought forth Henoch: and he built a city, and called the name thereof by the name of his son Henoch.

    18And Henoch begot Irad, and Irad begot Maviael, and Maviael begot Mathusael, and Mathusael begot Lamech:

    19Who took two wives: the name of the one was Ada, and the name of the other was Sella.

    20And Ada brought forth Jabel: who was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of herdsmen.

    21And his brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of them that play upon the harp and the organs.

    22Sella also brought forth Tubalcain, who was a hammerer and artificer in every work of brass and iron. And the sister of Tubalcain was Noema.

    23And Lamech said to his wives Ada and Sell: Hear my voice, ye wives of Lamech, hearken to my speech: for I have slain a man to the wounding of myself, and a stripling to my own bruising.

    24Sevenfold vengeance shall be taken for Cain: but for Lamech seventy times sevenfold.

    25Adam also knew his wife again: and she brought forth a son, and called his name Seth, saying: God hath given me another seed, for Abel whom Cain slew.

    26But to Seth also was born a son, whom he called Enos; this man began to call upon the name of the Lord.

by on Feb. 26, 2012 at 10:43 AM
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Debrowsky
by able arguer on Sep. 8, 2012 at 10:43 AM

A number of years ago, I listened to an explanation on the significance of 7 in the scriptures.  You brought up a few more interesting details, CC.  Again, I have appreciated the explaining of the Hebrew language in all the passages.  It's good to have more clarification of words and names as it brings more depth to the person and event.  I found the seven-fold very curious.
  I do question the sages parable of how Cain may have died.  It is not recorded in the scriptures as having happened in this way, not to say it couldn't have, but there is really no description as to how or why.  Do you think that we should  'assume'  that this is what took place, in your opinion?    Is it important to fill in that missing piece?     just wondering  :D

collectivecow
by Group Admin on Sep. 8, 2012 at 7:46 PM

No, you don't have to. It is just a way of theorizing on what may have happened. Some people agree, some don't.

With the story itself however, it helps to tie in missing loops: the real importance is the connections that are being made here in terms of everything else. :)

Quoting Debrowsky:

A number of years ago, I listened to an explanation on the significance of 7 in the scriptures.  You brought up a few more interesting details, CC.  Again, I have appreciated the explaining of the Hebrew language in all the passages.  It's good to have more clarification of words and names as it brings more depth to the person and event.  I found the seven-fold very curious.
  I do question the sages parable of how Cain may have died.  It is not recorded in the scriptures as having happened in this way, not to say it couldn't have, but there is really no description as to how or why.  Do you think that we should  'assume'  that this is what took place, in your opinion?    Is it important to fill in that missing piece?     just wondering  :D


Debrowsky
by able arguer on Sep. 10, 2012 at 8:36 AM

Okay, I see your point.   I do value the insight, for the record.   :D          It was the most indepth discussion I've seen on Cain and his lineage.    Thanks

Quoting collectivecow:

No, you don't have to. It is just a way of theorizing on what may have happened. Some people agree, some don't.

With the story itself however, it helps to tie in missing loops: the real importance is the connections that are being made here in terms of everything else. :)

Quoting Debrowsky:

A number of years ago, I listened to an explanation on the significance of 7 in the scriptures.  You brought up a few more interesting details, CC.  Again, I have appreciated the explaining of the Hebrew language in all the passages.  It's good to have more clarification of words and names as it brings more depth to the person and event.  I found the seven-fold very curious.
  I do question the sages parable of how Cain may have died.  It is not recorded in the scriptures as having happened in this way, not to say it couldn't have, but there is really no description as to how or why.  Do you think that we should  'assume'  that this is what took place, in your opinion?    Is it important to fill in that missing piece?     just wondering  :D



123Kathy
by sr debate team on Sep. 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM

I  probably said this before, but seems this all men problems. Nobody ever wants to fess up about a crime. Cain had to be cornered to get him tell him the truth. Telling the truth is not easy, but it is really need for fulfilling life.

What jealousy means too you? Do you ever get jealous?


123Kathy
by sr debate team on Sep. 26, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Temptation seems be my  big problem. Being tempted doing the wrong thing, all day along. I can't blame God for this. The bible says God doesn't not us. The bible says God will give  an exit route though. Maybe I can blame satan. Seems it is actually my fault though. I wish I could do better about anyways. So even Eve didn't eat the apple in the garden. I am thinking now, being  human,Humans would be tempted doing with wrong all the time by satan. Just wanting something that we should not have. Like Eve really want to eat the apple from the tree. Satan's powers are confusing anyways.

Do you think all temptions come from satan, or from our own hearts?


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