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11:Come ye, therefore, let us go down, and there may not understand one another's speech.

Posted by on Apr. 16, 2012 at 7:29 PM
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Genesis 11

 1And the earth was of one tongue, and of the same speech.

    2And when they removed from the east, they found a plain in the land of Sennaar, and dwelt in it.

    3And each one said to his neighbour: Come, let us make brick, and bake them of stones, and slime instead of mortar.

    4And they said: Come, let us make a city and a tower, the top whereof may reach to heaven: and let us make our name famous before we be scattered abroad into all lands.

    5And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of Adam were building.

    6And he said: Behold, it is one people, and all have one tongue: and they have begun to do this, neither will they leave off from their designs, till they accomplish them in deed.

    7Come ye, therefore, let us go down, and there may not understand one another's speech.

    8And so the Lord scattered them from that place into all lands, and they ceased to build the city.

    9And therefore the name thereof was called Babel, because there the language of the whole earth was confounded: and from thence the Lord scattered them abroad upon the face of all countries.

    10These are the generations of Sem: Sem was a hundred years old when he begot Arphaxad, two years old when he begot Arphaxad, two years after the flood.

    11And Sem lived after he begot Arphaxad, five hundred years, and begot sons and daughters.

    12And Arphaxad lived thirty-five years, and begot Sale.

    13And Arphaxad lived after he begot Sale, three hundred and three years; and begot sons and daughters.

    14Sale also lived thirty years, and begot Heber.

    15And Sale lived after he begot Heber, four hundred and three years; and begot sons and daughters.

    16And Heber lived thirty-four years, and begot Phaleg.

    17And Heber lived after he begot Phaleg, four hundred and thirty years: and begot sons and daughters.

    18Phaleg also lived thirty years, and begot Reu.

    19And Phaleg lived after he begot Reu, two hundred and nine years, and begot sons and daughters.

    20And Reu lived thirty-two years, and begot Sarug.

    21And Reu lived after he begot Sarug, two hundred and seven years, and begot sons and daughters.

    22And Sarug lived thirty years, and begot Nachor.

    23And Sarug lived after he begot Nachor, two hundred years: and begot sons and daughters.

    24And Nachor lived nine and twenty years, and begot Thare.

    25And Nachor lived after he begot Thare, a hundred and nineteen years: and begot sons and daughters.

    26And Thare lived seventy years, and begot Abram, and Nachor, and Aran.

    27And these are the generations of Thare: Thare begot Abram, Nachor, and Aran. And Aran begot Lot.

    28And Aran died before Thare his father, in the land of his nativity in Ur of the Chaldees.

    29And Abram and Nachor married wives: the name of Abram's wife was Sarai: and the name of Nachor's wife, Melcha, the daughter of Aran, father of Melcha, and father of Jescha.

    30And Sarai was barren, and had no children.

    31And Thare took Abram, his son, and Lot the son of Aran, his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, the wife of Abram his son, and brought them out of Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Chanaan: and they came as far as Haran, and dwelt there.

    32And the days of Thare were tow hundred and five years, and he died in Haran.

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123Kathy
by sr debate team on Apr. 19, 2012 at 6:57 PM

 

Come ye, therefore, let us go down, and there may not understand one another's speech                                I wonder would happen if this didn't happen? Seems it is good have good communication skills  sometimes. One thing after this everybody  spread out more.

Well the list of names lead up Abram.


LilyofPhilly
by on Apr. 19, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Kathy, anthropologists know how language evolves. This is an attempt at an explanation as to why people speak different languages. I think the Ziggurats of ancient Mesopotamia were the inspiration for this story. It's such a quaint idea, that the godS were afraid of the people buidling a tower high enough to reach them, so they confused their speech. And of course, since this time mankind has built much greater cities, and much higher towers, and it hasn't upset the gods at all.

123Kathy
by sr debate team on Apr. 20, 2012 at 9:00 AM


Quoting LilyofPhilly:

Kathy, anthropologists know how language evolves. This is an attempt at an explanation as to why people speak different languages. I think the Ziggurats of ancient Mesopotamia were the inspiration for this story. It's such a quaint idea, that the godS were afraid of the people buidling a tower high enough to reach them, so they confused their speech. And of course, since this time mankind has built much greater cities, and much higher towers, and it hasn't upset the gods at all.

You know you read something, and just on. Not really thinking about to much. You are right. It is kinda differnt how God did this. I wonder if his plan to make the people spread out? I also I heard years ago, they want to be know the best in the land. Bigger than God. God doesn't like when people try prove they are bigger than him. The people was taking all the credit for this too. They were not giving any credit to God at all. Like we live here now. My husband goes to work and makes the money. We still thank God for all he gives us. I don't know, just my thought :-)
Actually my husband was judging me last night because I didn't not pray before I ate my dinner. He is so annoying :-) He is right though. Jesus thank God for all his food when he was here on this earth.


123Kathy
by sr debate team on May. 31, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Now the people united. Making this tower. Why God now is not happy with this?         I see in the OT. God only want to be everybody first. So when everybody was started there day. Working on the Tower. God was push aside. The people built the tower, not God? Why God want the credit for this high tower? I guess I was wondering God destried the tower.

Later the people could not understand each people were saying too. Maybe God really wanted all the people spread more?


123Kathy
by sr debate team on May. 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM


Quoting LilyofPhilly:

Kathy, anthropologists know how language evolves. This is an attempt at an explanation as to why people speak different languages. I think the Ziggurats of ancient Mesopotamia were the inspiration for this story. It's such a quaint idea, that the godS were afraid of the people buidling a tower high enough to reach them, so they confused their speech. And of course, since this time mankind has built much greater cities, and much higher towers, and it hasn't upset the gods at all. Kathy-I am thinking the people were started serving other God maybe? I see God didn't want everybody get out control again.

Some reason God didn't want everybody to be on the same page at all. I wonder Why?



karen101256
by on Mar. 18, 2017 at 12:54 PM

A Message to God and Church

https://youtu.be/5aeK6oHAK6U

Clairwil
by definitely debating on Mar. 21, 2017 at 12:58 AM

Compare this to the Sumerian tale of Enki, Lord of Eridu (the first city, according to the list of kings), who changed speech in the mouths of men, so that it was no longer one.


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The most southerly and possibly also the earliest city-state of Sumerin southern Mesopotamia. The seven mounds of Eridu lie about 24 km south-west of Ur and by the Early Dynastic Period probably had an area of 8-10 hectares. A sounding excavated underneath a ziggurat of the late 3rd millennium BC revealed a sequence of 17 religious buildings. The earliest building was a simple mud-brick shrine resting on virgin sand. By the time of its tenth rebuilding it had acquired the standard form of the Sumerian temple with tripartite plan consisting of a long central room flanked by symmetrically grouped side chambers and was built on a substantial platform (AHSFC and Page 164 13).

The earliest phase of occupation -- named the Eridu Phase -- is dated to begin circa 5400 BC; this is followed by the Hajji Muhammed Phase: both of these precede the fully developed Ubaid Cultural Period. They are often regarded as early or proto-Ubaid. The settlement at Eridu can also be regarded as proto-urban from the beginning; it grew into a substantial city by the Early Dynastic Period and two royal palaces of this period have been excavated. Outside the temple precinct a large cemetery of the late Ubaid Period was found; this contained perhaps 1000 graves of which circa 200 were excavated. Grave goods include painted pottery vessels, terracotta figurines and baked clay tools such as sickles and shaft-hole axes (ibid).

The results of excavation on the main mound and the soundings made at the smaller mounds in the neighbourhood indicate that the area was inhabited continuously from the earliest known cultural period in Southern Iraq, namely the Eridu phase of culture (sixth millennium BC), down to approximately the end of the Achaemenid period (4th century BC) [Pages 30-1 4].

Eridu was abandoned for long periods [of time intermittently] before it was finally deserted and allowed to fall into ruin in the 6th century BC. The encroachment of neighbouring sand dunes and the rise of a saline water table set early limits to its agricultural base so in its later Neo-Babylonian development Eridu was rebuilt as a purely temple site in honour of its earliest history (11).

... Hence the temple platform was being used during the Jemdet Nasr Period (3100-2900 BC) even though the old abandoned city near the Eridu temple was buried under sand dunes. As Safar states [see 4 below] there was a settlement about a kilometer north of the temple mound. This may have been where the Enki priests lived after the old Eridu city became uninhabitable. There were also nearby coastal towns on the shore of the Persian Gulf that were occupied during the Jemdet Nasr Period (12).

Eridu was reputedly founded by Enki the god of exceptional wisdom and strength who become the god of the subterranean sweet waters. The city’s importance was always more religious than political (2 and Page 34 4).

In Sumerian literature Eridu is claimed as one of the most ancient cities in Mesopotamia, said to antedate the mythical Flood and to be the first city to hold kingship [albeit mythical] (Page 5 1).

Eridu seems to have had no political significance and was never a seat of a ruling dynasty except for the first two legendary kings before the Deluge (4).

After the kingship descended from heaven the kingship was in Eridug. In Eridug Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years. Alaljar ruled for 36000 years. 2 kings; they ruled for 64800 years. Then Eridug fell and the kingship was taken to Bad-tibira (Sumerian King List From The Electronic Text Corpus of Sumerian Literature).

The Ubaid material culture complex in southern Mesopotamia is best exemplified by the material from Eridu. Nowhere else has such a complete architectural and ceramic sequence been recovered for this period (Preface Page 7 4).

Eridu was one of the first centres of civilization in southern Mesopotamia and in its earliest phase was distinguished by a type of painted pottery otherwise unknown except for some unstratified sherds from Ur and Usaila near Eridu (ibid).

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