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Do you think this child should have even been convicted of 2nd degree murder?

Posted by on Jan. 14, 2013 at 7:12 PM
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/verdict-due-california-boy-accused-killing-neo-nazi-134751331.html

California boy, 12, convicted of neo-Nazi dad's murder

RIVERSIDE, California (Reuters) - A California boy, now 12, was convicted of second-degree murder on Monday for shooting dead his neo-Nazi father, following a juvenile trial that centered on allegations of abuse and the young defendant's grasp of right and wrong.

The verdict by Superior Court Judge Jean Leonard means that Joseph Hall, who was 10 years old when he shot his father to death at point-blank range in May of 2011, could be sentenced to a juvenile facility until he is 23.

He faces a disposition hearing on February 15 to determine where he will be placed.

Jeffrey Hall, 32, was a regional director of the National Socialist Movement, a white separatist group. The case in Riverside, 60 miles east of Los Angeles, has made headlines because of his neo-Nazi ties and the rarity of a parent being killed by a child so young.

In rendering her verdict, Leonard said she weighed evidence that the boy had suffered a lifetime of abuse. "He was abused and neglected from the womb," she said. "The NSM taught him things a minor should not know about."

The judge, who heard the case without a jury, said she had determined that at the time of the shooting Joseph Hall understood that what he was doing was wrong, a key finding in the juvenile court case.

"The minor chose his own way and made his own rules," she said. The boy showed little reaction as the verdict was read.

Because Hall is a minor, the purpose of the trial was not to determine guilt or innocence, but whether allegations about his motives and grasp of right and wrong were true.

'NO HAPPY ENDING'

Defense attorneys had argued during the trial that Hall should not be held responsible for his actions because a lifetime of abuse and his father's neo-Nazi activities had conditioned him to violence.

But prosecutors said that the boy, who lived with four siblings, shot his father because he thought he was planning to divorce his stepmother and break up the family. Hall shot his father with the man's own gun.

"This was a very difficult case to prosecute. I have very mixed emotions. There's a lot of sadness in it. Joseph is a little boy and his life has been very very sad," Riverside County Deputy District Attorney Michael Soccio said.

"My position is that the NSM had very little if anything to do with the killing," Soccio said. "The question is, what do we do now?"

Hall's lead defense attorney, Matthew Hardy, called the second-degree verdict a "tragedy" and said it could lead to his client's incarceration in a California Division of Juvenile Justice facility with the "worst of the worst" young offenders.

"If we create a monster, I'm not saying Joseph is a monster but as a society if we create a monster we have some responsibility for what that monster does," he said, adding that he was considering an appeal of the verdict.

Experts say the murder of a parent by a child so young is extremely rare.

Kathleen Heide, a criminologist who specializes in juvenile offenders, has told Reuters that 8,000 murder victims over the past 32 years were slain by their offspring, but only 16 of those crimes were committed by defendants aged 10 or younger.

"There can be no happy ending for our family," Hall's grandmother, JoAnn Becker, told Reuters following the verdict.

(Reporting by Dana Feldman and Dan Whitcomb; Writing by Dan Whitcomb; Editing by Cynthia Johnston, Carol Bishopric and Andrew Hay)

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diaperstodating
by Silver Member on Jan. 14, 2013 at 10:36 PM
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I saw this story on Dateline or 20/20 last year. So the son was convicted of murder? Yes I think that is fair.

SunFlower700
by Gold Member on Jan. 14, 2013 at 11:02 PM
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This is going to sound cold, but the father got what he deserved.  When you teach hate to your children, leave your fire arms unlocked where they can get access, then the sh!t backfires in your face.  Well the father has no one to blame but himself.  I don't think that child should have gotten a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd degree charge, as it was obvious where he learned his violence from.  JMPO

Quoting diaperstodating:

I saw this story on Dateline or 20/20 last year. So the son was convicted of murder? Yes I think that is fair.

 

diaperstodating
by Silver Member on Jan. 14, 2013 at 11:04 PM
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Yes I agree. That is what I thought when I first saw the story, and that is what I think now - the father got what he deserved.

Hottmomma607
by Group Mod - Trica on Jan. 14, 2013 at 11:14 PM
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Very true!

Quoting SunFlower700:

This is going to sound cold, but the father got what he deserved.  When you teach hate to your children, leave your fire arms unlocked where they can get access, then the sh!t backfires in your face.  Well the father has no one to blame but himself.  I don't think that child should have gotten a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd degree charge, as it was obvious where he learned his violence from.  JMPO


Quoting diaperstodating:


I saw this story on Dateline or 20/20 last year. So the son was convicted of murder? Yes I think that is fair.


 

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PrEgGoSaUrUs
by Silver Member on Jan. 15, 2013 at 12:40 AM
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The father definitely got what he deserved. My only concern now is with all the trauma this young boy has experienced how will this effect his ability to function in society. This child is obviously distrubed from years of abuse and I do beleive there should be some type of intervention put in place that will help to facilitate and rehabilitate him into becoming a functional law abiding citizen. I'm hoping it is the desire of the court to get this child the proper medical attention he so desperately needs.
Hottmomma607
by Group Mod - Trica on Jan. 15, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Thats the scary part!

Quoting PrEgGoSaUrUs:

The father definitely got what he deserved. My only concern now is with all the trauma this young boy has experienced how will this effect his ability to function in society. This child is obviously distrubed from years of abuse and I do beleive there should be some type of intervention put in place that will help to facilitate and rehabilitate him into becoming a functional law abiding citizen. I'm hoping it is the desire of the court to get this child the proper medical attention he so desperately needs.


ginene
by Gold Member on Jan. 15, 2013 at 2:53 AM
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I think he should serve some time but maybe in a mental hospital to make sure he is ok for society. I would hate to hear that he did something to another child or someone else because of the abuse he went through.
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nikabear
by Platinum Member on Jan. 15, 2013 at 5:57 AM
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Nobody won in this situation. I just hope that the boy gets the help that he needs.
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Stacey1081975
by Gold Member on Jan. 15, 2013 at 7:20 AM
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This is deep and I'm not sure what I believe in this case......

inmybizz
by Platinum Member on Jan. 15, 2013 at 7:35 AM
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  I agree.

Quoting ginene:

I think he should serve some time but maybe in a mental hospital to make sure he is ok for society. I would hate to hear that he did something to another child or someone else because of the abuse he went through.


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