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refusing to eat....

Posted by on Nov. 9, 2011 at 9:18 PM
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since about 4 or 5 today ds has been only eating for a few minutes mabe 10 at the most then getting VERY frustrated and not eating again for the usual two hours. but like i said he hasn't been eating much during that time period. i'm a little concerned. just some extra info: he got some vaccinations on monday and he was diagnosed with reflux at 1 month (he's 2 months now) have switched from zantac to prevacid b/c he was spitting up more than before. he spits up frequently but most of the time he doesn't seem bothered by it. he seems to choke on it a lot though. also he's had a cough and a lot of mucous for about 2 weeks now. doctor said to just keep clearing his nose and use a humidifier b/c there's really nothing else we can do. should i be worried? what could be causing this?

by on Nov. 9, 2011 at 9:18 PM
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Precious333
by Group Admin - Julia on Nov. 9, 2011 at 9:30 PM
My kids became effecient nursers and sometimes 10 mins were fine and 2 hrs were fine as well....but you said he's fussy....so do you think his reflux may be bothering him still? Just throwing ideas out there...I dont know.
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gdiamante
by Gina on Nov. 9, 2011 at 9:40 PM

If he's still spitting up with the meds, it ain't reflux. Check out the info on overactive letdown and oversupply on kell;ymom.com. It's usually m=misdiagnosed as reflux.

mollysmom328
by on Nov. 9, 2011 at 9:47 PM

yep. . the congestion/muscus that he's experiencing is from the large amounts of spitting up.  Do what you can to keep his sleep area humidified, his nose clean, etc.

Quoting gdiamante:

If he's still spitting up with the meds, it ain't reflux. Check out the info on overactive letdown and oversupply on kell;ymom.com. It's usually m=misdiagnosed as reflux.




mollysmom328
by on Nov. 9, 2011 at 9:47 PM

It's definitely OAL if he's not bothered by the spit up.

adriansmom11
by on Nov. 9, 2011 at 9:59 PM

he normally eats for 30-40 minutes every 2-2.5 hours during the day. the last few hours he latches on, sucks a few minutes, then arches his back and cries. in the past he has done this and simply needed to be burped, but now he cries when i try to get him to latch back on and when he's not eating. he has also been falling asleep a lot and it has been nearly impossible to wake him to eat. he falls asleep while eating btw. and those few minutes he does eat there's not a whole lot of swallowing going on. i've burped him, switched breasts (a few times), tried rocking him while he eats, ultimately i end up having to give him his paci and he falls asleep. until then he cries sometimes inconsolably... this just started at around 4 today though. he hasn't had a real meal since then....

adriansmom11
by on Nov. 9, 2011 at 10:19 PM

BUMP!

adriansmom11
by on Nov. 9, 2011 at 10:37 PM

BUMP!

mollysmom328
by on Nov. 9, 2011 at 10:38 PM

Really. . it's oversupply/overactive letdown.  It sounds just like how my 7.5 month old was for the first 3-4 months.  Does he have at least 6 wet diapers a day?

Quoting adriansmom11:

he normally eats for 30-40 minutes every 2-2.5 hours during the day. the last few hours he latches on, sucks a few minutes, then arches his back and cries. in the past he has done this and simply needed to be burped, but now he cries when i try to get him to latch back on and when he's not eating. he has also been falling asleep a lot and it has been nearly impossible to wake him to eat. he falls asleep while eating btw. and those few minutes he does eat there's not a whole lot of swallowing going on. i've burped him, switched breasts (a few times), tried rocking him while he eats, ultimately i end up having to give him his paci and he falls asleep. until then he cries sometimes inconsolably... this just started at around 4 today though. he hasn't had a real meal since then....




mollysmom328
by on Nov. 9, 2011 at 10:38 PM

 Is forceful let-down the problem?

Does your baby do any of these things?

If some of this sounds familiar to you, you probably have a forceful let-down. This is often associated with too much milk (oversupply). Some mothers notice that the problems with fast letdown or oversupply don't start until 3-6 weeks of age. Forceful let-down runs the gamut from a minor inconvenience to a major problem, depending upon how severe it is and how it affects the nursing relationship.

What can I do about it?

There are essentially two ways you can go about remedying a forceful let-down: (1) help baby deal with the fast flow and (2) take measures to adjust your milk supply down to baby's needs. Since forceful let-down is generally a byproduct of oversupply, most moms will be working on both of these things. It may take a couple of weeks to see results from interventions for oversupply, so try to be patient and keep working on it.

Help baby deal with the fast milk flow

  • Position baby so that she is nursing "uphill" in relation to mom's breast, where gravity is working against the flow of milk. The most effective positions are those where baby's head and throat are above the level of your nipple. Some nursing positions to try:
    • Cradle hold, but with mom leaning back (a recliner or lots of pillows helps)
    • Football hold, but with mom leaning back
    • Elevated football hold - like the football hold, but baby is sitting up and facing mom to nurse instead of lying down (good for nursing in public).
    • Side lying position - this allows baby to dribble the extra milk out of her mouth when it's coming too fast
    • Australian position (mom is "down under", aka posture feeding) - in this position, mom is lying on her back and baby is on top (facing down), tummy to tummy with mom. Avoid using this positioning frequently, as it may lead to plugged ducts.
  • Burp baby frequently if she is swallowing a lot of air.
  • Nurse more frequently. This will reduce the amount of milk that accumulates between feedings, so feedings are more manageable for baby.
  • Nurse when baby is sleepy and relaxed. Baby will suck more gently at this time, and the milk flow will be slower.
  • Wait until let-down occurs, then take baby off the breast while at the same time catching the milk in a towel or cloth diaper. Once the flow slows, you can put your baby back to the breast.
  • Pump or hand express until the flow of milk slows down, and then put baby to the breast. Use this only if nothing else is working, as it stimulates additional milk production. If you do this, try to express a little less milk each time until you are no longer expressing before nursing.

Adjust your supply to better match baby's needs

  • If baby is gaining weight well, then having baby nurse from only one breast per feeding can be helpful.
    • If baby finishes nursing on the first side and wants to continue nursing, just put baby back onto the first side.
    • If the second side becomes uncomfortable, express a little milk until you're more comfortable and then use cool compresses - aim for expressing less milk each time until you are comfortable without expressing milk.
  • Avoid extra breast stimulation, for example, unnecessary pumping, running the shower on your breasts for a long time or wearing breast shells.
  • Between feedings, try applying cool compresses to the breast (on for 30 minutes, off for at least an hour). This can discourage blood flow and milk production.
  • If nursing one side per feeding is not working after a week or so, try keeping baby to one side for a certain period of time before switching sides. This is called block nursing.
    • Start with 2-3 hours and increase in half-hour increments if needed.
    • Do not restrict nursing at all, but any time that baby needs to nurse simply keep putting baby back to the same side during that time period.
    • If the second side becomes uncomfortable, express a little milk until you're more comfortable and then use cool compresses - aim for expressing less milk each time until you are comfortable without expressing milk.
    • In more extreme cases, mom may need to experiment a bit with time periods over 4 hours to find the amount of time per breast that works best.
  • Additional measures that should only be used for extreme cases of oversupply include cabbage leaf compresses and herbs.

Even if these measures do not completely solve the problem, many moms find that their abundant supply and fast let-down will subside, at least to some extent, by about 12 weeks (give or take a bit). At this point, hormonal changes occur that make milk supply more stable and more in line with the amount of milk that baby needs.

Sometimes babies of moms with oversupply or fast let-down get very used to the fast flow and object when it normally slows somewhere between 3 weeks to 3 months. Even though your let-down may not be truly slow, it can still seem that way to baby.

angelbabies14
by on Nov. 9, 2011 at 10:39 PM
the duration of eating changes. that's not a concern unless you see a decrease in diapers. PPI's don't stop a baby from throwing up they decrease the pain from acid. I believe that reflux is just a symptom of a bigger picture and if you do not have supply issues then it is a food sensitivity or allergy. Check your supply first read about over supply on kellymom.com if that is not your baby you need to start an elimination diet. If you need help with that please pm me and let me know. I've been nursing my almost 2 year old on a strict elimination diet for 1.5 years for his severe food allergies. Congestion is definitely a sign or symptom of allergy as well. How are his diapers? His skin?
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