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Spit up and acid reflux

Posted by on Sep. 11, 2012 at 10:57 AM
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My oldest son for the first 6 months of his life spit up all the time. I was constantly changing his clothes and putting bibs on him. At 6 months old it just stopped, he gained weight and grew just fine. With my second son who is 3 months old, he's a chunky little guy but every time I feed him he spits up to where it goes shooting across the room. I just figured it was normal, he spits up all the time like my older son. But everyone tells me it's acid relux, and everyone's babies seem to have acid reflux and now I am thinking maybe doctors are over diagnosing them. Isn't it normal for babies to spit up? Out of all my friends I only have 2 that don't have babies with acid reflux.

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Jenniy
by Member on Sep. 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM
My youngest has it so bad the meds and new feeding tube didn't help it so he just recently had to have a Nissan Fundoplication done.
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K8wizzo
by Platinum Member on Sep. 11, 2012 at 11:03 AM
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Forceful Let-down (Milk Ejection Reflex) & Oversupply

AUGUST 20, 2011. Posted in: SUPPLY WORRIES

By Kelly Bonyata, BS, IBCLC

 Is forceful let-down the problem?

Does your baby do any of these things?

  • Gag, choke, strangle, gulp, gasp, cough while nursing as though the milk is coming too fast
  • Pull off the breast often while nursing
  • Clamp down on the nipple at let-down to slow the flow of milk
  • Make a clicking sound when nursing
  • Spit up very often and/or tend to be very gassy
  • Periodically refuse to nurse
  • Dislike comfort nursing in general

If some of this sounds familiar to you, you probably have a forceful let-down. This is often associated with too much milk (oversupply). Some mothers notice that the problems with fast letdown or oversupply don’t start until 3-6 weeks of age. Forceful let-down runs the gamut from a minor inconvenience to a major problem, depending upon how severe it is and how it affects the nursing relationship.

What can I do about it?

There are essentially two ways you can go about remedying a forceful let-down: (1) help baby deal with the fast flow and (2) take measures to adjust your milk supply down to baby’s needs. Since forceful let-down is generally a byproduct of oversupply, most moms will be working on both of these things. It may take a couple of weeks to see results from interventions for oversupply, so try to be patient and keep working on it.

Help baby deal with the fast milk flow

  • Position baby so that she is nursing “uphill” in relation to mom’s breast, where gravity is working against the flow of milk. The most effective positions are those where baby’s head and throat are above the level of your nipple. Some nursing positions to try:
    • Cradle hold, but with mom leaning back (a recliner or lots of pillows helps)
    • Football hold, but with mom leaning back
    • Elevated football hold – like the football hold, but baby is sitting up and facing mom to nurse instead of lying down (good for nursing in public).
    • Side lying position – this allows baby to dribble the extra milk out of her mouth when it’s coming too fast
    • Australian position (mom is “down under”, aka posture feeding) – in this position, mom is lying on her back and baby is on top (facing down), tummy to tummy with mom. Avoid using this positioning frequently, as it may lead to plugged ducts.
  • Burp baby frequently if she is swallowing a lot of air.
  • Nurse more frequently. This will reduce the amount of milk that accumulates between feedings, so feedings are more manageable for baby.
  • Nurse when baby is sleepy and relaxed. Baby will suck more gently at this time, and the milk flow will be slower.
  • Wait until let-down occurs, then take baby off the breast while at the same time catching the milk in a towel or cloth diaper. Once the flow slows, you can put your baby back to the breast.
  • Pump or hand express until the flow of milk slows down, and then put baby to the breast. Use this only if nothing else is working, as it stimulates additional milk production. If you do this, try to express a little less milk each time until you are no longer expressing before nursing.

Adjust your supply to better match baby’s needs

  • If baby is gaining weight well, then having baby nurse from only one breast per feeding can be helpful.
  • If baby finishes nursing on the first side and wants to continue nursing, just put baby back onto the first side.
  • If the second side becomes uncomfortable, express a little milk until you’re more comfortable and then use cool compresses – aim for expressing less milk each time until you are comfortable without expressing milk.
  • Avoid extra breast stimulation, for example, unnecessary pumping, running the shower on your breasts for a long time or wearing breast shells.
  • Between feedings, try applying cool compresses to the breast (on for 30 minutes, off for at least an hour). This can discourage blood flow and milk production.
  • If nursing one side per feeding is not working after a week or so, try keeping baby to one side for a certain period of time before switching sides. This is called block nursing.
    • Start with 2-3 hours and increase in half-hour increments if needed.
    • Do not restrict nursing at all, but any time that baby needs to nurse simply keep putting baby back to the same side during that time period.
    • If the second side becomes uncomfortable, express a little milk until you’re more comfortable and then use cool compresses – aim for expressing less milk each time until you are comfortable without expressing milk.
    • In more extreme cases, mom may need to experiment a bit with time periods over 4 hours to find the amount of time per breast that works best.
  • Additional measures that should only be used for extreme cases of oversupply include cabbage leaf compresses and herbs.
  • Even if these measures do not completely solve the problem, many moms find that their abundant supply and fast let-down will subside, at least to some extent, by about 12 weeks (give or take a bit). At this point, hormonal changes occur that make milk supply more stable and more in line with the amount of milk that baby needs.

    Sometimes babies of moms with oversupply or fast let-down get very used to the fast flow and object when it normally slows somewhere between 3 weeks to 3 months. Even though your let-down may not be truly slow, it can still seem that way to baby. See Let-down Reflex: Too Slow? for tips.

     

     Additional Information

    Too Much Milk? by Becky Flora, IBCLC

    Oversupply by Kathy Kuhn, IBCLC

    Tips for taming a monster milk supply by Kathy Kuhn, IBCLC

    Gaining, Gulping, and Grimacing? by Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC

    Oversupply: Too Much Milk by Anne Smith, IBCLC

    Colic in the Breastfed Baby by Jack Newman MD, FRCPC

    Finish the First Breast First by Melissa Vickers (LEAVEN, September-October 1995, p. 69-71)

    Overactive Let-Down: Consequences and Treatments by Mary Jozwiak (from LEAVEN, September-October 1995, pp. 71-72)

    Common Side Effects of an Overactive Let-Down by Mary Jozwiak (from LEAVEN, September-October 1995, p. 69)

    Too Much of a Good Thing by Kate Drzycimski, from New Beginnings Vol. 19 No. 9, July-August 2002, p. 129.

    PDF Resolution of Lactose Intolerance and “Colic” in Breastfed Babies by Robyn Noble & Anne Bovey, presented at the ALCA Vic (Melbourne) Conference on the 1st November, 1997

    http://kellymom.com/bf/got-milk/supply-worries/fast-letdown/

    K8wizzo
    by Platinum Member on Sep. 11, 2012 at 11:05 AM
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    Reflux is very overdiagnosed--often the true cause isn't GERD, but overactive letdown or a dairy sensitivity instead.  That's not to say that some babies don't have GERD, but most time doctors call symptoms of all 3 of those problems reflux and treat them the same way.  My babies had to deal with OAL, plus dairy allergies and reflux so we were treating that painful regurgitation in three different ways to fix all of the issues.

    twogirl91
    by Member on Sep. 11, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    I don't have diary in my diet because I have a problem with it myself and just recently cut out soy because I believe my son has a problem with that. I do have a really strong let down though. 

    Quoting K8wizzo:

    Reflux is very overdiagnosed--often the true cause isn't GERD, but overactive letdown or a dairy sensitivity instead.  That's not to say that some babies don't have GERD, but most time doctors call symptoms of all 3 of those problems reflux and treat them the same way.  My babies had to deal with OAL, plus dairy allergies and reflux so we were treating that painful regurgitation in three different ways to fix all of the issues.


    K8wizzo
    by Platinum Member on Sep. 11, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    The spit up is likely due to your oal/oversupply.  You can try the tricks in the article I posted and that may calm things down.  As long as he's gaining weight and he's not bothered by the spit up, it's a laundry problem not a medical one.  If he is bothered by it, get the oal/oversupply under control and go from there.

    Quoting twogirl91:

    I don't have diary in my diet because I have a problem with it myself and just recently cut out soy because I believe my son has a problem with that. I do have a really strong let down though. 

    Quoting K8wizzo:

    Reflux is very overdiagnosed--often the true cause isn't GERD, but overactive letdown or a dairy sensitivity instead.  That's not to say that some babies don't have GERD, but most time doctors call symptoms of all 3 of those problems reflux and treat them the same way.  My babies had to deal with OAL, plus dairy allergies and reflux so we were treating that painful regurgitation in three different ways to fix all of the issues.



    twogirl91
    by Member on Sep. 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    Thanks! I'll have to try some of those things from the article! :) Gaining weight isn't an issue at all, he's only 3 months and 18lbs! He's a little chunk! 

    Quoting K8wizzo:

    The spit up is likely due to your oal/oversupply.  You can try the tricks in the article I posted and that may calm things down.  As long as he's gaining weight and he's not bothered by the spit up, it's a laundry problem not a medical one.  If he is bothered by it, get the oal/oversupply under control and go from there.

    Quoting twogirl91:

    I don't have diary in my diet because I have a problem with it myself and just recently cut out soy because I believe my son has a problem with that. I do have a really strong let down though. 

    Quoting K8wizzo:

    Reflux is very overdiagnosed--often the true cause isn't GERD, but overactive letdown or a dairy sensitivity instead.  That's not to say that some babies don't have GERD, but most time doctors call symptoms of all 3 of those problems reflux and treat them the same way.  My babies had to deal with OAL, plus dairy allergies and reflux so we were treating that painful regurgitation in three different ways to fix all of the issues.




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