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...what my poor baby girl is categorized as. After satisfying weight gain, she lost a few ounces since last week. I know she gained quite a bit since her last weight check last week, but seeing as how I don't have a scale, I'm not sure exactly what she gained. Anyway, they wanted to admit her to be monitored. She doesn't have to have any labs or anything since her doctor took care of that a couple weeks ago and those all checked out. She had an appointment with an ENT on Tuesday, but he didn't see anything wrong with her tongue. My IBCLC thought that she may have been tongue tied, but guess not. They have me pumping, then feeding her (I know pumping isn't an indicator of what I'm producing, but I learned that apparently my right one is on strike for pumping lol), and finally, topping her off with formula. She's not a fan of the formula, but she'll drink it eventually if she's hungry enough. I'm not stressing, because I know that I don't necessarily have to rely on formula, but I will do the bare minimum to keep her happy while in the hospital.

On the bright side, this hospital stay is a nice little vaycay from the drama going on in my house. I'll miss my 2 year old son, but he's in good hands. Anyway, keep my little girl in your thoughts! :)
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by on Feb. 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM
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LucyHourglass
by on Feb. 15, 2013 at 12:18 AM

check for tongue tie YOURSELF, doctors often miss it.  

LucyHourglass
by on Feb. 15, 2013 at 12:22 AM

http://www.mommypotamus.com/how-to-diagnose-tongue-and-lip-ties/

there also could be a posterior tongue tie, which my son had, which has to be felt for and not seen. my best advice is to check the lip, if there is a lip tie there is a tongue tie. also does your LO have a high arched palet?

gdiamante
by Group Mod - Gina on Feb. 15, 2013 at 1:03 AM
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Remembering that expected gain is 4-6 ounces a week...

Quoting aydensXmommy:

12 weeks. Birth weight was 8.3, lowest weight recorded was 7.3 at two weeks. 8.1 at five weeks,
Nearly a POUND? WHOA!
8.4 at six weeks,
And then a slowdown I would expect... remember, 4-6 ounces per week is the expected average gain.
8.12 at eight weeks,
Four ounces per week for this stretch.
8.14 two days after,
And ounce a day... overacheiving there...
9.2 at ten weeks,
Four ounces over ten days... slower than earlier ...
9.5 at eleven weeks,
And then three ounces in a week. The average over the period from 2 - 11 weeks was 3.66 ounces a week which is a tad low but not FTT low.
and now back to 9.2.
I have to ask... same scale?
Their concern is that she is in like the 3rd percentile
Percentiles don't matter with breastfed babies. Percentiles were created to meausre formula babies, not that they're valuable there either. All a percentile does is measure your baby against others of the same age... not really valuable info. There is an alternate chart for breastfed babies on kellymom.com.
and suddenly dropped after doing so well. I can tell she gained weight because her clothes were fitting much better in the past week. 
OK; that's a sign that MATTERS. Good luck!
aehanrahan
by Group Mod - Amy on Feb. 15, 2013 at 2:36 AM
I completely agree with this!

Quoting jjchick75:

That is not failure to thrive then. I don't see anything to be concerened about. But I would get a 2nd opinion on the tongue tie. 


Quoting aydensXmommy:

12 weeks. Birth weight was 8.3, lowest weight recorded was 7.3 at two weeks. 8.1 at five weeks, 8.4 at six weeks, 8.12 at eight weeks, 8.14 two days after, 9.2 at ten weeks, 9.5 at eleven weeks, and now back to 9.2. Their concern is that she is in like the 3rd percentile and suddenly dropped after doing so well. I can tell she gained weight because her clothes were fitting much better in the past week.



And yes. She's been meeting milestones. The LC at the pediatricians office was very impressed at how strong she is, and she actually sits up. I've never seen such a young baby do that before!




Quoting jjchick75:

How old is baby? Weight history? Is she meeting milestones?




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heathercm26
by on Feb. 15, 2013 at 2:56 AM
There is more yo this story imo......either get a second opinion from another doctor n this diagnosis or get your doctor to tell u what is really going on.
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aydensXmommy
by on Feb. 15, 2013 at 6:07 AM
Thank you for breaking it down for me. All the weights from 8 weeks to now are on the same scale. Funny thing was, she even had RSV during weeks 4-6, so I'm quite surprised she gained what she did.. As far as her clothes go, they don't for as snugly this week as they did last week, but it's still far better than it has been before. My son was FF and even he stayed in newborns for the first four months. I really do think she's just a slow gainer.

Now her old pedestrian? She would have had her in the hospital by a month. I hated that woman, and her new pediatrician I love so far. Yes, I know it seems drastic to put my daughter in the hospital over a few ounces, but I'm not complaining. I am not able to see first hand what I'm doing wrong. I'm not able to pump like I should at home, and even here in the hospital she's had more breastmilk than formula. She doesn't like it too much, and she's slowly gaining, so the nurses aren't pushing the formula issue. Besides, I'd really much rather be here than at home.


Quoting gdiamante:

Remembering that expected gain is 4-6 ounces a week...

Quoting aydensXmommy:

12 weeks. Birth weight was 8.3, lowest weight recorded was 7.3 at two weeks. 8.1 at five weeks,
Nearly a POUND? WHOA!
8.4 at six weeks,
And then a slowdown I would expect... remember, 4-6 ounces per week is the expected average gain.
8.12 at eight weeks,
Four ounces per week for this stretch.
8.14 two days after,
And ounce a day... overacheiving there...
9.2 at ten weeks,
Four ounces over ten days... slower than earlier ...
9.5 at eleven weeks,
And then three ounces in a week. The average over the period from 2 - 11 weeks was 3.66 ounces a week which is a tad low but not FTT low.
and now back to 9.2.
I have to ask... same scale?
Their concern is that she is in like the 3rd percentile
Percentiles don't matter with breastfed babies. Percentiles were created to meausre formula babies, not that they're valuable there either. All a percentile does is measure your baby against others of the same age... not really valuable info. There is an alternate chart for breastfed babies on kellymom.com.
and suddenly dropped after doing so well. I can tell she gained weight because her clothes were fitting much better in the past week. 
OK; that's a sign that MATTERS. Good luck!
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aydensXmommy
by on Feb. 15, 2013 at 6:09 AM
I'm going to ask about the tongue tie issue again, because the IBCLC was so sure that she has a posterior tie, and I even told the guy that when she comes off, my nipples are often slanted. He didn't seem concerned about that. He did say that her top lip was a little connected, but that should not get in the way of her feeding.

Quoting aehanrahan:

I completely agree with this!



Quoting jjchick75:

That is not failure to thrive then. I don't see anything to be concerened about. But I would get a 2nd opinion on the tongue tie. 



Quoting aydensXmommy:

12 weeks. Birth weight was 8.3, lowest weight recorded was 7.3 at two weeks. 8.1 at five weeks, 8.4 at six weeks, 8.12 at eight weeks, 8.14 two days after, 9.2 at ten weeks, 9.5 at eleven weeks, and now back to 9.2. Their concern is that she is in like the 3rd percentile and suddenly dropped after doing so well. I can tell she gained weight because her clothes were fitting much better in the past week.





And yes. She's been meeting milestones. The LC at the pediatricians office was very impressed at how strong she is, and she actually sits up. I've never seen such a young baby do that before!






Quoting jjchick75:

How old is baby? Weight history? Is she meeting milestones?





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coreym
by on Feb. 15, 2013 at 7:01 AM
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I don't know a lot about the weights and actual bf facts than some of the ladies here, but my dd was a Very slow gainer. Actually, she didn't gain from 4-11 months..but she always med her milestones on time or early and she was very happy and looked healthy overall. I tried pumping and never got anything, but you could hear her swallowing when she nursed and for a long time she would not accept formula after nursing. She also always had plenty of diapers in a day. She just didn't gain and was about -3 if you go by the charts. She's almost 3 now and has almost caught up weight wise..things are fine but I wish I had kept bfing at the time and not switched to formula. Even when I did, she was a slow gainer!
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mostlymaydays
by Group Mod-Stacy on Feb. 15, 2013 at 7:05 AM
Twice you've mentioned that the hospital is a vacation compared to the drama at home. I have to ask if you're feeling threatened at home?

Quoting aydensXmommy:

Thank you for breaking it down for me. All the weights from 8 weeks to now are on the same scale. Funny thing was, she even had RSV during weeks 4-6, so I'm quite surprised she gained what she did.. As far as her clothes go, they don't for as snugly this week as they did last week, but it's still far better than it has been before. My son was FF and even he stayed in newborns for the first four months. I really do think she's just a slow gainer.



Now her old pedestrian? She would have had her in the hospital by a month. I hated that woman, and her new pediatrician I love so far. Yes, I know it seems drastic to put my daughter in the hospital over a few ounces, but I'm not complaining. I am not able to see first hand what I'm doing wrong. I'm not able to pump like I should at home, and even here in the hospital she's had more breastmilk than formula. She doesn't like it too much, and she's slowly gaining, so the nurses aren't pushing the formula issue. Besides, I'd really much rather be here than at home.




Quoting gdiamante:

Remembering that expected gain is 4-6 ounces a week...

Quoting aydensXmommy:

12 weeks. Birth weight was 8.3, lowest weight recorded was 7.3 at two weeks. 8.1 at five weeks,
Nearly a POUND? WHOA!
8.4 at six weeks,
And then a slowdown I would expect... remember, 4-6 ounces per week is the expected average gain.
8.12 at eight weeks,
Four ounces per week for this stretch.
8.14 two days after,
And ounce a day... overacheiving there...
9.2 at ten weeks,
Four ounces over ten days... slower than earlier ...
9.5 at eleven weeks,
And then three ounces in a week. The average over the period from 2 - 11 weeks was 3.66 ounces a week which is a tad low but not FTT low.
and now back to 9.2.
I have to ask... same scale?
Their concern is that she is in like the 3rd percentile
Percentiles don't matter with breastfed babies. Percentiles were created to meausre formula babies, not that they're valuable there either. All a percentile does is measure your baby against others of the same age... not really valuable info. There is an alternate chart for breastfed babies on kellymom.com.
and suddenly dropped after doing so well. I can tell she gained weight because her clothes were fitting much better in the past week. 
OK; that's a sign that MATTERS. Good luck!
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IrishIz
by Silver Member on Feb. 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM
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I'm going to be very honest with you...to the point that you may not like it.

Something is wrong in this picture and I'm not saying it is your daughter.

There is nothing that you posted that suggests failure to thrive.  She is at an appropriate weight with appropriate growth.  Being on a 3rd percent doesn't mean failure to thrive...that means that somebody has to be there in order for the growth chart to exist.  You know how you have the fat friend and the skinny friend...same thing with babies.  There has to be a fat baby and a skinny baby and a "regular" baby for that growth chart to exist.  That chart compares the weights and lengths of other babies.  It doesn't mean 3rd percent with some spot on there normal...it means 97% of kids weigh more than her.  Period.  That's it.  So your spot on the chart doesn't define anything important.

You made it clear you would rather be in the hospital.  Why?  What haven't you told us?  What is going on?

A hospital is a place where there are risks.  As soon as a healthy person enters the doors of the hospital their risk of disease and infection and complication increase.  Why do you want your daughter, with no obvious medical issues, there?  What is going on at home?

The tip/tongue tie...if the IBCLC is suspicious and the ENT saw something but doesn't think it effects breastfeeding...new ENT.  The ENT shouldn't be trying to determine if it effects breastfeeding when there are signs that it very well might be.  Find a new ENT or dentist or somebody who can do the clip.

What is going on that you want to be in the hospital?

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