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Army Base Commander in Hawaii threatening moms who BF!

Posted by on Mar. 1, 2013 at 4:20 PM
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from the opinonated mamas page:

"Oh ladies, you would not believe what we are going through at our base here in Hawaii! Two mamas on two back to back days were told to either cover, use the nasty nursing room or leave the commissary (Military base grocery store)..Federal breastfeeding laws cover any on post institutions.

I went with one of the girls yesterday to speak with the manager and he assured us that it won't happen again, however, the base commander made a statement on facebook that there is seriously consideration for forcing mothers to cover up. They also told us that our plan for a peaceful nurse in (Walking around shopping while nursing in carriers, using the facility for what it's there for) was against rules and police action would be enforced. Intimidating nursing mothers, seriously Army??

One of the ladies is having a meeting with the base commander and commissary manager today in a few hours. POSITIVE THOUGHTS PLEASE! The nursing community is pretty big around here, but we can still use all the support we can get."

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kitty8199
by Bronze Member on Mar. 1, 2013 at 4:23 PM
I'm sure once legality its pointed out, he'll have to back down.
My bf is PCSing to Hawaii this summer. So if we get married and have a baby I'll nurse wherever i want.
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MonicaV1982
by on Mar. 1, 2013 at 4:38 PM


those laws are irrelavent on a base. they follow federal laws. they already have women trying to show him the federal regulations

Quoting Kathy489:

Use these links to find and copy the pages you need pertaining to the laws.

http://www.momsinhawaii.com/forum/topic/Here-are-some-Hawaii-breastfeeding-laws.htm

http://breastfeedinglaws.uslegal.com/state-laws/hawaii-breast-feeding-laws/

http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/breastfeeding-state-laws.aspx



SadieJames
by Sarah on Mar. 1, 2013 at 4:44 PM
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There were some issues here at Bragg with the are thing.  MP's were called to escort the mother away.  I f-ing hate Army installations. 

ETA: they kind of do have a leg to stand on however, as much as I hate to admit it.  There is a dress code posted as well as a disclaimer on it that its managers discretion.  The messed up part of that is everytime I've been in the comissary there are 18 year old new wives in booty shorts and bikini tops...

Kathy489
by Bronze Member on Mar. 1, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Presidential Memorandum--Delegation of Certain Functions and Authorities

MEMORANDUM FOR THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT

SUBJECT: Delegation of Certain Functions and Authorities

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 301 of title 3, United States Code, I hereby delegate to you the functions and authority conferred upon the President by section 7301 of title 5, United States Code, with respect to providing appropriate workplace accommodations for executive branch civilian employees who are nursing mothers.

You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

BARACK OBAMA

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/12/20/presidential-memorandum-delegation-certain-functions-and-authorities

LHummel
by on Mar. 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM

I agree nurse where ever whenever. I also don't have a problem with moms who are comfortable with not covering up. I am not one of those moms. However, I have also seen some of those women be a little over exposed unnecessarily. Meaning whole boob completely out with no attempt to cover any part of it. Except where baby is nursing. You dont need to nurse like that and I'm a BF mom who has BF everywhere. I live on the AirForce base here in Oahu and haven't heard anything about this. I know its the army base commander who is doing this but generally it gets around. Guess I'm out of the loop. 

Military bases are different then everywhere else. If you live on one you know what I mean. Military members while not in uniform still have a standard they are expected to uphold in appearance. I agree they should choose their words wisely. But they have given a nursing area in the commissary which is nice. If its " nasty" then make a complaint that they need to keep it sanitary. If nursing moms want to walk around then cover up its not hard to do I walked and nursed while staying covered while shopping many times. Would it be such a problem if they were telling someone in a bikini top to cover up? 

LHummel
by on Mar. 1, 2013 at 4:50 PM
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Thats where the dress code needs to be enforced. If it applies to nursing moms it applies to skanky clothes as well. 

Quoting SadieJames:

There were some issues here at Bragg with the are thing.  MP's were called to escort the mother away.  I f-ing hate Army installations. 

ETA: they kind of do have a leg to stand on however, as much as I hate to admit it.  There is a dress code posted as well as a disclaimer on it that its managers discretion.  The messed up part of that is everytime I've been in the comissary there are 18 year old new wives in booty shorts and bikini tops...


MonicaV1982
by on Mar. 1, 2013 at 4:54 PM


regardless nursing moms are exempt through federal provisions. Also, most moms don't show anything while they are nursing even without a cover.


Quoting LHummel:

Thats where the dress code needs to be enforced. If it applies to nursing moms it applies to skanky clothes as well. 

Quoting SadieJames:

There were some issues here at Bragg with the are thing.  MP's were called to escort the mother away.  I f-ing hate Army installations. 

ETA: they kind of do have a leg to stand on however, as much as I hate to admit it.  There is a dress code posted as well as a disclaimer on it that its managers discretion.  The messed up part of that is everytime I've been in the comissary there are 18 year old new wives in booty shorts and bikini tops...




MonicaV1982
by on Mar. 1, 2013 at 4:56 PM
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They are required to follow federal law. Regardless of your opinion nursing moms have the right to feed their babies. And I've never seen a mom show too much. Frankly I've seen more boob with a low cut shirt!

Quoting LHummel:

I agree nurse where ever whenever. I also don't have a problem with moms who are comfortable with not covering up. I am not one of those moms. However, I have also seen some of those women be a little over exposed unnecessarily. Meaning whole boob completely out with no attempt to cover any part of it. Except where baby is nursing. You dont need to nurse like that and I'm a BF mom who has BF everywhere. I live on the AirForce base here in Oahu and haven't heard anything about this. I know its the army base commander who is doing this but generally it gets around. Guess I'm out of the loop. 

Military bases are different then everywhere else. If you live on one you know what I mean. Military members while not in uniform still have a standard they are expected to uphold in appearance. I agree they should choose their words wisely. But they have given a nursing area in the commissary which is nice. If its " nasty" then make a complaint that they need to keep it sanitary. If nursing moms want to walk around then cover up its not hard to do I walked and nursed while staying covered while shopping many times. Would it be such a problem if they were telling someone in a bikini top to cover up? 



MonicaV1982
by on Mar. 1, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Sorry, but how is this relevant to the discussion?


Quoting Kathy489:

Presidential Memorandum--Delegation of Certain Functions and Authorities

MEMORANDUM FOR THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT

SUBJECT: Delegation of Certain Functions and Authorities

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 301 of title 3, United States Code, I hereby delegate to you the functions and authority conferred upon the President by section 7301 of title 5, United States Code, with respect to providing appropriate workplace accommodations for executive branch civilian employees who are nursing mothers.

You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

BARACK OBAMA

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/12/20/presidential-memorandum-delegation-certain-functions-and-authorities



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