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Painful letdown?

Posted by on May. 24, 2013 at 9:40 PM
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When ds first starts to nurse and the letdown begins it is very painful. All through my breasts. Is that normal? It's happened ever since he was born. Is it supposed to happen on both sides at the same time?
Also he lets go a lot when it starts and gets sprayed in the face a lot. I have to keep a cloth nearby to cover up when he first starts nursing so milk doesn't spray everywhere when he lets go and so I can wipe off his face/head.
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mamabens
by Miranda on May. 24, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Forceful Let-down (Milk Ejection Reflex) & Oversupply

AUGUST 20, 2011. Posted in: SUPPLY WORRIES

By Kelly Bonyata, BS, IBCLC

 Is forceful let-down the problem?

Does your baby do any of these things?

  • Gag, choke, strangle, gulp, gasp, cough while nursing as though the milk is coming too fast
  • Pull off the breast often while nursing
  • Clamp down on the nipple at let-down to slow the flow of milk
  • Make a clicking sound when nursing
  • Spit up very often and/or tend to be very gassy
  • Periodically refuse to nurse
  • Dislike comfort nursing in general

If some of this sounds familiar to you, you probably have a forceful let-down. This is often associated with too much milk (oversupply). Some mothers notice that the problems with fast letdown or oversupply don’t start until 3-6 weeks of age. Forceful let-down runs the gamut from a minor inconvenience to a major problem, depending upon how severe it is and how it affects the nursing relationship.

What can I do about it?

There are essentially two ways you can go about remedying a forceful let-down: (1) help baby deal with the fast flow and (2) take measures to adjust your milk supply down to baby’s needs. Since forceful let-down is generally a byproduct of oversupply, most moms will be working on both of these things. It may take a couple of weeks to see results from interventions for oversupply, so try to be patient and keep working on it.

Help baby deal with the fast milk flow

  • Position baby so that she is nursing “uphill” in relation to mom’s breast, where gravity is working againstthe flow of milk. The most effective positions are those where baby’s head and throat are above the level of your nipple. Some nursing positions to try:
    • Cradle hold, but with mom leaning back (a recliner or lots of pillows helps)
    • Football hold, but with mom leaning back
    • Elevated football hold – like the football hold, but baby is sitting up and facing mom to nurse instead of lying down (good for nursing in public).
    • Side lying position – this allows baby to dribble the extra milk out of her mouth when it’s coming too fast
    • Australian position (mom is “down under”, aka posture feeding) – in this position, mom is lying on her back and baby is on top (facing down), tummy to tummy with mom. Avoid using this positioning frequently, as it may lead to plugged ducts.
  • Burp baby frequently if she is swallowing a lot of air.
  • Nurse more frequently. This will reduce the amount of milk that accumulates between feedings, so feedings are more manageable for baby.
  • Nurse when baby is sleepy and relaxed. Baby will suck more gently at this time, and the milk flow will be slower.
  • Wait until let-down occurs, then take baby off the breast while at the same time catching the milk in a towel or cloth diaper. Once the flow slows, you can put your baby back to the breast.
  • Pump or hand express until the flow of milk slows down, and then put baby to the breast. Use this only if nothing else is working, as it stimulates additional milk production. If you do this, try to express a little less milk each time until you are no longer expressing before nursing.

Adjust your supply to better match baby’s needs

  • If baby is gaining weight well, then having baby nurse from only one breast per feeding can be helpful.
  • If baby finishes nursing on the first side and wants to continue nursing, just put baby back onto the first side.
  • If the second side becomes uncomfortable, express a little milk until you’re more comfortable and then use cool compresses – aim for expressing less milk each time until you are comfortable without expressing milk.
  • Avoid extra breast stimulation, for example, unnecessary pumping, running the shower on your breasts for a long time or wearing breast shells.
  • Between feedings, try applying cool compresses to the breast (on for 30 minutes, off for at least an hour). This can discourage blood flow and milk production.
  • If nursing one side per feeding is not working after a week or so, try keeping baby to one side for a certain period of time before switching sides. This is called block nursing.
  • Start with 2-3 hours and increase in half-hour increments if needed.
  • Do not restrict nursing at all, but any time that baby needs to nurse simply keep putting baby back to the same side during that time period.
  • If the second side becomes uncomfortable, express a little milk until you’re more comfortable and then use cool compresses – aim for expressing less milk each time until you are comfortable without expressing milk.
  • In more extreme cases, mom may need to experiment a bit with time periods over 4 hours to find the amount of time per breast that works best.
  • Additional measures that should only be used for extreme cases of oversupply includecabbage leaf compresses and herbs.

Even if these measures do not completely solve the problem, many moms find that their abundant supply and fast let-down will subside, at least to some extent, by about 12 weeks (give or take a bit). At this point, hormonal changes occur that make milk supply more stable and more in line with the amount of milk that baby needs.

Sometimes babies of moms with oversupply or fast let-down get very used to the fast flow and object when it normally slows somewhere between 3 weeks to 3 months. Even though your let-down may not be truly slow, it can still seem that way to baby. See Let-down Reflex: Too Slow?for tips.

 

 Additional Information

Too Much Milk? by Becky Flora, IBCLC

Oversupply by Kathy Kuhn, IBCLC

Tips for taming a monster milk supply by Kathy Kuhn, IBCLC

Gaining, Gulping, and Grimacing? by Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC

Oversupply: Too Much Milk by Anne Smith, IBCLC

Colic in the Breastfed Baby by Jack Newman MD, FRCPC

Am I making too much milk? from La Leche League International

Fighting the Battle Against Oversupply  by Vanessa Manz

Finish the First Breast First by Melissa Vickers (LEAVEN, September-October 1995, p. 69-71)

Overactive Let-Down: Consequences and Treatments by Mary Jozwiak (from LEAVEN, September-October 1995, pp. 71-72)

Common Side Effects of an Overactive Let-Down by Mary Jozwiak (from LEAVEN, September-October 1995, p. 69)

Too Much of a Good Thing by Kate Drzycimski, from New Beginnings Vol. 19 No. 9, July-August 2002, p. 129.

PDF Resolution of Lactose Intolerance and “Colic” in Breastfed Babies by Robyn Noble & Anne Bovey, presented at the ALCA Vic (Melbourne) Conference on the 1st November, 1997

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JadeTigr7
by Crystal on May. 24, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Having pain during letdown can be normal.  I've always had that.

To help with your OAL you can try nursing leaning back so baby has more control over the flow of milk. 

Luv.My.Soldier
by on May. 24, 2013 at 10:57 PM
This describes me to a T. I've always had painful letdown and oversupply. My ds is going on 7 mths and it is still pretty bad, though we have both gotten use to it. I block feed for 4 hrs on one side, then 4 on the other, and it helps a little. He used to get choked a LOT and it was hard to manage, especially while out of the house, but now that he's bigger he doesn't choke very often. I envy the women who can't feel their letdowns.
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babylove041810
by on May. 25, 2013 at 1:43 AM
I don't have an oversupply though. I'm barely keeping up with him. Can you have an oal without oversupply?

Quoting Luv.My.Soldier:

This describes me to a T. I've always had painful letdown and oversupply. My ds is going on 7 mths and it is still pretty bad, though we have both gotten use to it. I block feed for 4 hrs on one side, then 4 on the other, and it helps a little. He used to get choked a LOT and it was hard to manage, especially while out of the house, but now that he's bigger he doesn't choke very often. I envy the women who can't feel their letdowns.
GoodyBrook
by on May. 25, 2013 at 1:53 AM

I found that taking lecithin supplements really helped take the pain out of my painful letdown...

babylove041810
by on May. 25, 2013 at 2:02 AM
What is that?

Quoting GoodyBrook:

I found that taking lecithin supplements really helped take the pain out of my painful letdown...

amc103
by on May. 25, 2013 at 2:12 AM

I have painful letdown too. It sucks, I can relate. If you find something that helps, let me know! LOL! If you have overactive letdown WITHOUT oversupply, just pop him off when you start to let down and spray into a towel so he doesnt have to choke down the milk and try to keep up with it. When you're spraying is done, latch again. This will help to avoid gas later too. He may fuss when you pop him off, (mom, what the heck, you just gave it to me-give it back!) but its better in the long run, trust me. :-) As he gets bigger, he'll be able to manage the OAL better. 

GoodyBrook
by on May. 25, 2013 at 2:14 AM

 

An emulsifier.  You can get it in nearly any health food store.  (I get the non-GMO kind).

Quoting babylove041810:

What is that?

Quoting GoodyBrook:

I found that taking lecithin supplements really helped take the pain out of my painful letdown...


 

babylove041810
by on May. 25, 2013 at 2:24 AM
I let him unlatch himself. Sometimes he's ok with it. I guess sometimes it's not as bad as others, so I let him do it on his own. I do keep a towel. So we don't get sticky all the time lol.
I was just wondering if there was anything to help the pain.


Quoting amc103:

I have painful letdown too. It sucks, I can relate. If you find something that helps, let me know! LOL! If you have overactive letdown WITHOUT oversupply, just pop him off when you start to let down and spray into a towel so he doesnt have to choke down the milk and try to keep up with it. When you're spraying is done, latch again. This will help to avoid gas later too. He may fuss when you pop him off, (mom, what the heck, you just gave it to me-give it back!) but its better in the long run, trust me. :-) As he gets bigger, he'll be able to manage the OAL better. 

Luv.My.Soldier
by on May. 25, 2013 at 9:35 AM
I suppose you can, though I've always read that the 2 come hand in hand. I'm not a pro by any means though. How are gauging that you are having a hard time keeping up with him?


Quoting babylove041810:

I don't have an oversupply though. I'm barely keeping up with him. Can you have an oal without oversupply?



Quoting Luv.My.Soldier:

This describes me to a T. I've always had painful letdown and oversupply. My ds is going on 7 mths and it is still pretty bad, though we have both gotten use to it. I block feed for 4 hrs on one side, then 4 on the other, and it helps a little. He used to get choked a LOT and it was hard to manage, especially while out of the house, but now that he's bigger he doesn't choke very often. I envy the women who can't feel their letdowns.

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