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food at 4 months

Posted by on Nov. 6, 2013 at 9:37 PM
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 I've been reading and coming across a lot of articles about starting babies on solids at four months. With my daughter I couldnt wait to start her own solids (dont remember how soon) and as soon as I got the go I went. With my ds I've become a lot more lets say health crazed and cautious of what I eat and do with him and Im feeling very hesitant about starting him on solids at four months. As I mentioned in another post he had a birth weight of 7'9, was 6'11 when he left the hospital and was 15'1 last week. He is 15 weeks this weeks which means next week he can start baby food and cereal according to some articles (like my wic papers) Idk..........Im just not as easy about the solids this time aqround as I was the first time. Any thoughts? when did you start your little one?

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polkaspots
by Gold Member on Nov. 6, 2013 at 9:40 PM
I don't start until after six months, and then we start by giving them food.
I'm on wic as well because I'm pregnant, but won't be putting the baby on as we don't use baby jars or cereal. That type of diet is similar in nutrition to living off of fast food for an adult.
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audmom1218
by Silver Member on Nov. 6, 2013 at 9:42 PM

We did baby led weaning. A BF  baby's gut isn't mature enough to digest other food until the following criteria are met: 

1.)AT least 6 months old

2.) Can sit unassisted

3.) Has pincer grasp

4) Has lost tongue thrust reflex. 


Once all those milestones are met you can just give bite sized pieces of whatever you are eating, put on babys tray and let htem self feed.  wholesomebabyfood.com is a great reasource.  I would also look into googling "baby led solids" and "baby led weaning" (weaning here just means introducing solids, it doesn't mean replacing nursing.  Good for you for doing your research!! I was sold on making my own baby food and even had 2 baby bullets ready to go, and ended up skipping purees all together.  It was such an easy way to go and I have a 2 year old who is not picky in the least! 

TiffanyMarie80
by Tiffany on Nov. 6, 2013 at 9:43 PM
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4 months is outdated, though often still recommended by people who don't know better, including (sadly) many medical professionals with no training in infant nutrition.

The signs of readiness for solid food are: at least 6 months, can sit unassisted, has lost tongue thrust reflex, AND has a pincer grasp. Once ALL of those have happened, it's ok to start solids. Cereal is a bad choice for a first solid food. Puréed foods in general are not necessary- if baby is actually ready for solids, they can feed themselves pieces of table food. It's win-win really, since it's healthier for them and cheaper for us (they eat what we eat, in super small quantities). It can get messy, but that's what bath time is for, right ;)
maggiemom2000
by Ruby Member on Nov. 6, 2013 at 9:44 PM
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“The AAP reaffirms its recommendation of exclusive breastfeeding for about 6 months, followed by continued breastfeeding as complementary foods are introduced, with continuation of breastfeeding for 1 year or longer as mutually desired by mother and infant.”

American Academy of Pediatrics. Breastfeeding and the Use of Human Milk: SECTION ON BREASTFEEDING Pediatrics; February 27, 2012

“When compared with infants who exclusively breastfed for longer than 6 months, those exclusively breastfed for 4 to 6 months had a four- fold increase in the risk of pneumonia.” 


American Academy of Pediatrics. Breastfeeding and the Use of Human Milk: SECTION ON BREASTFEEDING Pediatrics; February 27, 2012

Health experts and breastfeeding experts agree that it’s best to wait until your baby is around six months old before offering solid foods. There has been a large amount of research on this in the recent past, and most health organizations have updated their recommendations to agree with current research. Unfortunately, many health care providers are not up to date in what they’re telling parents, and many, many books are not up to date.

The following organizations recommend that all babies be exclusively breastfed (no cereal, juice or any other foods) for the first 6 months of life (not the first 4-6 months):

Most babies will become developmentally and physiologically ready to eat solids by 6-9 months of age. For some babies, delaying solids longer than six months can be a good thing; for example, some doctors may recommend delaying solids for 12 months if there is a family history of allergies.

Reasons for delaying solids

Although some of the reasons listed here assume that your baby is breastfed or fed breastmilk only, experts recommend that solids be delayed for formula fed babies also.

  • Delaying solids gives baby greater protection from illness.
    Although babies continue to receive many immunities from breastmilk for as long as they nurse, the greatest immunity occurs while a baby is exclusively breastfed. Breastmilk contains 50+ known immune factors, and probably many more that are still unknown. One study has shown that babies who were exclusively breastfed for 4+ months had 40% fewer ear infections than breastfed babies whose diets were supplemented with other foods. The probability of respiratory illness occurring at any time during childhood is significantly reduced if the child is fed exclusively breast milk for at least 15 weeks and no solid foods are introduced during this time. (Wilson, 1998) Many other studies have also linked the degree of exclusivity of breastfeeding to enhanced health benefits (seeImmune factors in human milk).
  • Delaying solids gives baby’s digestive system time to mature. 
    If solids are started before a baby’s system is ready to handle them, they are poorly digested and may cause unpleasant reactions (digestive upset, gas, constipation, etc.). Protein digestion is incomplete in infancy. Gastric acid and pepsin are secreted at birth and increase toward adult values over the following 3 to 4 months. The pancreatic enzyme amylase does not reach adequate levels for digestion of starches until around 6 months, and carbohydrate enzymes such as maltase, isomaltase, and sucrase do not reach adult levels until around 7 months. Young infants also have low levels of lipase and bile salts, so fat digestion does not reach adult levels until 6-9 months.
  • Delaying solids decreases the risk of food allergies. 
    It is well documented that prolonged exclusive breastfeeding results in a lower incidence of food allergies (see Allergy References). From birth until somewhere between four and six months of age, babies possess what is often referred to as an “open gut.” This means that the spaces between the cells of the small intestines will readily allow intact macromolecules, including whole proteins and pathogens, to pass directly into the bloodstream.This is great for your breastfed baby as it allows beneficial antibodies in breastmilk to pass more directly into baby’s bloodstream, but it also means that large proteins from otherfoods (which may predispose baby to allergies) and disease-causing pathogens can pass right through, too. During baby’s first 4-6 months, while the gut is still “open,” antibodies (sIgA) from breastmilk coat baby’s digestive tract and provide passive immunity, reducing the likelihood of illness and allergic reactions before gut closure occurs. Baby starts producing these antibodies on his own at around 6 months, and gut closure should have occurred by this time also. See How Breast Milk Protects Newborns and The Case for the Virgin Gut for more on this subject.
  • Delaying solids helps to protect baby from iron-deficiency anemia.
    The introduction of iron supplements and iron-fortified foods, particularly during the first six months, reduces the efficiency of baby’s iron absorption. Healthy, full-term infants who are breastfed exclusively for periods of 6-9 months have been shown to maintain normal hemoglobin values and normal iron stores. In one study (Pisacane, 1995), the researchers concluded that babies who were exclusively breastfed for 7 months (and were not give iron supplements or iron-fortified cereals) had significantly higher hemoglobin levels at one year than breastfed babies who received solid foods earlier than seven months. The researchers found nocases of anemia within the first year in babies breastfed exclusively for seven months and concluded that breastfeeding exclusively for seven months reduces the risk of anemia. See Is Iron-Supplementation Necessary? for more information.
  • Delaying solids helps to protect baby from future obesity.
    The early introduction of solids is associated with increased body fat and weight in childhood. (for example, see Wilson 1998von Kries 1999Kalies 2005)
  • Delaying solids helps mom to maintain her milk supply. 
    Studies have shown that for a young baby solids replace milk in a baby’s diet – they do not add to baby’s total intake. The more solids that baby eats, the less milk he takes from mom, and less milk taken from mom means less milk production. Babies who eat lots of solids or who start solids early tend to wean prematurely.
  • Delaying solids helps to space babies.
    Breastfeeding is most effective in preventing pregnancy when your baby is exclusively breastfed and all of his nutritional and sucking needs are satisfied at the breast.
  • Delaying solids makes starting solids easier. 
    Babies who start solids later can feed themselves and are not as likely to have allergic reactions to foods.


justone_jen
by Jen on Nov. 6, 2013 at 9:44 PM
All of this. Even the magic bullet part, lol. I returned it.

Quoting audmom1218:

We did baby led weaning. A BF  baby's gut isn't mature enough to digest other food until the following criteria are met: 

1.)AT least 6 months old

2.) Can sit unassisted

3.) Has pincer grasp

4) Has lost tongue thrust reflex. 


Once all those milestones are met you can just give bite sized pieces of whatever you are eating, put on babys tray and let htem self feed.  wholesomebabyfood.com is a great reasource.  I would also look into googling "baby led solids" and "baby led weaning" (weaning here just means introducing solids, it doesn't mean replacing nursing.  Good for you for doing your research!! I was sold on making my own baby food and even had 2 baby bullets ready to go, and ended up skipping purees all together.  It was such an easy way to go and I have a 2 year old who is not picky in the least! 

tanishagreene
by on Nov. 6, 2013 at 9:45 PM

 lol I really enjoy your responses to a lot of post I've seen so far lol. Why do you feel that way about baby jars or cereal

Quoting polkaspots:

I don't start until after six months, and then we start by giving them food.
I'm on wic as well because I'm pregnant, but won't be putting the baby on as we don't use baby jars or cereal. That type of diet is similar in nutrition to living off of fast food for an adult.

 

tanishagreene
by on Nov. 6, 2013 at 9:48 PM

 lol I was so gunning for the bullet when I got ready to start lol

Quoting justone_jen:

All of this. Even the magic bullet part, lol. I returned it.

Quoting audmom1218:

We did baby led weaning. A BF  baby's gut isn't mature enough to digest other food until the following criteria are met: 

1.)AT least 6 months old

2.) Can sit unassisted

3.) Has pincer grasp

4) Has lost tongue thrust reflex. 

 

Once all those milestones are met you can just give bite sized pieces of whatever you are eating, put on babys tray and let htem self feed.  wholesomebabyfood.com is a great reasource.  I would also look into googling "baby led solids" and "baby led weaning" (weaning here just means introducing solids, it doesn't mean replacing nursing.  Good for you for doing your research!! I was sold on making my own baby food and even had 2 baby bullets ready to go, and ended up skipping purees all together.  It was such an easy way to go and I have a 2 year old who is not picky in the least! 

 

tanishagreene
by on Nov. 6, 2013 at 9:50 PM

 wow.......and this is why I always research and now check here before I move. Apparently doctors these days and wic smh are clearly not up to date

Quoting TiffanyMarie80:

4 months is outdated, though often still recommended by people who don't know better, including (sadly) many medical professionals with no training in infant nutrition.

The signs of readiness for solid food are: at least 6 months, can sit unassisted, has lost tongue thrust reflex, AND has a pincer grasp. Once ALL of those have happened, it's ok to start solids. Cereal is a bad choice for a first solid food. Puréed foods in general are not necessary- if baby is actually ready for solids, they can feed themselves pieces of table food. It's win-win really, since it's healthier for them and cheaper for us (they eat what we eat, in super small quantities). It can get messy, but that's what bath time is for, right ;)

 

polkaspots
by Gold Member on Nov. 6, 2013 at 9:51 PM
Thank you? I dislike them for a few reasons.
They're not healthy. Have you read the ingredients? They also taste and smell nasty.
They're choking hazards that don't teach the kid how to eat.
Cereal is useless for a baby nutrition wise.


Quoting tanishagreene:

 lol I really enjoy your responses to a lot of post I've seen so far lol. Why do you feel that way about baby jars or cereal


Quoting polkaspots:

I don't start until after six months, and then we start by giving them food.
I'm on wic as well because I'm pregnant, but won't be putting the baby on as we don't use baby jars or cereal. That type of diet is similar in nutrition to living off of fast food for an adult.

 

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audmom1218
by Silver Member on Nov. 6, 2013 at 9:53 PM
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I used mine when I went through my "green smoothie" phase.  Until I realized I like real food too much and then sold it at a rummage sale.  Oh and it sucks at making margaritas.  Totally a waste of money! 

As for infant cereal: it's crap.  It's a ploy by formula companies.  Babies don't have the enzymes to digest grains until closer to a year anyway.  The artificial iron binds to the iron in breastmilk which can cause anemia.  

jarred veggies/fruits are mostly water and over processed. If you follow the baby led weaning principles then you will learn why spoon-feeding baby is not a good idea (they learn to ignore the gag reflex making them more prone to choking when they start real solid food).  BLS babies learn how to chew before they learn how to swallow, and they learn how to gag when they get too much to prevent choking.   My theory is if the child isn't old enough to feed it to themselves, they aren't old enough to be eating it!  


Quoting tanishagreene:

 lol I was so gunning for the bullet when I got ready to start lol

Quoting justone_jen:

All of this. Even the magic bullet part, lol. I returned it.

Quoting audmom1218:

We did baby led weaning. A BF  baby's gut isn't mature enough to digest other food until the following criteria are met: 

1.)AT least 6 months old

2.) Can sit unassisted

3.) Has pincer grasp

4) Has lost tongue thrust reflex. 


Once all those milestones are met you can just give bite sized pieces of whatever you are eating, put on babys tray and let htem self feed.  wholesomebabyfood.com is a great reasource.  I would also look into googling "baby led solids" and "baby led weaning" (weaning here just means introducing solids, it doesn't mean replacing nursing.  Good for you for doing your research!! I was sold on making my own baby food and even had 2 baby bullets ready to go, and ended up skipping purees all together.  It was such an easy way to go and I have a 2 year old who is not picky in the least! 

 



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