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Screaming/pulling off the breast :( UPDATE!

Posted by on Jan. 9, 2014 at 2:10 AM
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LO is 5 days old and has been nursing NONSTOP today. Literally, he's maybe slept 2 hours. Well, I could have dealt with that. But starting this evening, he's acting differently. The initial latch is fine and he'll suck away, but then after a few minutes, he'll start twisting his head, pushing against me, and unlatching. And screaming bloody murder. My milk just started coming in yesterday, but I don't think it's the flow that's bothering him because he does fine for several minutes. I've tried burping him, changing positions (football, side-lying, tummy to tummy with me reclined, etc)- he hates all of them. Could I not be making enough milk for him?? I'm absolutely exhausted and he won't sleep :(

UPDATE: So, we just got home from the visit with the IBCLC. She barely looked into his mouth and goes "Yep! Those are some bad ties!" He has a lip and tongue tie, which is obviously causing his poor latch and all my pain. I'm calling the ENT tomorrow and hopefully we'll be able to get in within the week to get them clipped. She also gave me a prescription for APNO. 

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sugarcrisp
by on Jan. 9, 2014 at 2:23 AM

I wasn't making enough milk with DS and that was the first sign but within a couple hours he took a nosedive and ended up in ICU. I'm not sure the answer for you. Hopefully somebody will answer SOON!

*hugs*

LeapBaby123
by Kathleen on Jan. 9, 2014 at 2:33 AM
Yikes. That certainly is scary. :( I just don't know. We started this current nursing session at 10:30 and he's STILL nursing/fighting me-4 HOURS later. I hear him gulping and I see milk in the nipple shield, so I guess those are good signs. I just don't know what's wrong. And I'm exhausted.

Quoting sugarcrisp:

I wasn't making enough milk with DS and that was the first sign but within a couple hours he took a nosedive and ended up in ICU. I'm not sure the answer for you. Hopefully somebody will answer SOON!

*hugs*

gdiamante
by Group Mod - Gina on Jan. 9, 2014 at 3:15 AM


Quoting LeapBaby123: LO is 5 days old and has been nursing NONSTOP today. Literally, he's maybe slept 2 hours. Well, I could have dealt with that. But starting this evening, he's acting differently. The initial latch is fine and he'll suck away, but then after a few minutes, he'll start twisting his head, pushing against me, and unlatching. And screaming bloody murder. My milk just started coming in yesterday, but I don't think it's the flow that's bothering him because he does fine for several minutes. I've tried burping him, changing positions (football, side-lying, tummy to tummy with me reclined, etc)- he hates all of them. Could I not be making enough milk for him?? I'm absolutely exhausted and he won't sleep :(

Definitely NOT a case of too little. MORE likely a case of TOO MUCH. If your milk just came in he's probably getting bombarded with the flow. Easy fix: Lay him on top of you, tummy to tummy, mouth OVER the breast and latch. Gravity slows the flow.

Unfortunately when milk first comes in the letdown tends to be like a fire hose and baby will protest that mightily.

I'm afraid the not sleeping is par for the course, though.

LeapBaby123
by Kathleen on Jan. 9, 2014 at 3:32 AM
I did try that position and he seems to do a little better with it, though he's still unlatching and crying about every 2 minutes.

Quoting gdiamante:


Quoting LeapBaby123: LO is 5 days old and has been nursing NONSTOP today. Literally, he's maybe slept 2 hours. Well, I could have dealt with that. But starting this evening, he's acting differently. The initial latch is fine and he'll suck away, but then after a few minutes, he'll start twisting his head, pushing against me, and unlatching. And screaming bloody murder. My milk just started coming in yesterday, but I don't think it's the flow that's bothering him because he does fine for several minutes. I've tried burping him, changing positions (football, side-lying, tummy to tummy with me reclined, etc)- he hates all of them. Could I not be making enough milk for him?? I'm absolutely exhausted and he won't sleep :(

Definitely NOT a case of too little. MORE likely a case of TOO MUCH. If your milk just came in he's probably getting bombarded with the flow. Easy fix: Lay him on top of you, tummy to tummy, mouth OVER the breast and latch. Gravity slows the flow.

Unfortunately when milk first comes in the letdown tends to be like a fire hose and baby will protest that mightily.

I'm afraid the not sleeping is par for the course, though.

gdiamante
by Group Mod - Gina on Jan. 9, 2014 at 3:41 AM

OK, keep doing it. Remember, baby's behavior will indficate nothing about supply. The true indicator is the dipe count. At this age you should be seeing 5 changes in 24 hours, two poops amongst them.

He may be trying to encourage supply, and your response is tokeep popping the breast in. You're off-duty for everything but baby care, to give yourself a break. If anyone comes to visit, they owe you a chore or a casserole as admission.

Fair warning: Newborns are really unpleasant critters. Bossy, noisy and smelly betwene those diaper changes! **grin** But they're better than teenagers, trust me!

(Mine was eternally latched for five solid weeks, then eased up.)

Quoting LeapBaby123: I did try that position and he seems to do a little better with it, though he's still unlatching and crying about every 2 minutes.

Quoting gdiamante:
Quoting LeapBaby123: LO is 5 days old and has been nursing NONSTOP today. Literally, he's maybe slept 2 hours. Well, I could have dealt with that. But starting this evening, he's acting differently. The initial latch is fine and he'll suck away, but then after a few minutes, he'll start twisting his head, pushing against me, and unlatching. And screaming bloody murder. My milk just started coming in yesterday, but I don't think it's the flow that's bothering him because he does fine for several minutes. I've tried burping him, changing positions (football, side-lying, tummy to tummy with me reclined, etc)- he hates all of them. Could I not be making enough milk for him?? I'm absolutely exhausted and he won't sleep :(

Definitely NOT a case of too little. MORE likely a case of TOO MUCH. If your milk just came in he's probably getting bombarded with the flow. Easy fix: Lay him on top of you, tummy to tummy, mouth OVER the breast and latch. Gravity slows the flow.

Unfortunately when milk first comes in the letdown tends to be like a fire hose and baby will protest that mightily.

I'm afraid the not sleeping is par for the course, though.


LeapBaby123
by Kathleen on Jan. 9, 2014 at 3:48 AM
His dipes are great. Plenty of wet and poopys. If he would just stay quietly latched, I could at least sleep some. But these "temper tantrums" are wearing me down. But thank you. I love him so much, but geez this is annoying. Lol

Quoting gdiamante:

OK, keep doing it. Remember, baby's behavior will indficate nothing about supply. The true indicator is the dipe count. At this age you should be seeing 5 changes in 24 hours, two poops amongst them.

He may be trying to encourage supply, and your response is tokeep popping the breast in. You're off-duty for everything but baby care, to give yourself a break. If anyone comes to visit, they owe you a chore or a casserole as admission.

Fair warning: Newborns are really unpleasant critters. Bossy, noisy and smelly betwene those diaper changes! **grin** But they're better than teenagers, trust me!

(Mine was eternally latched for five solid weeks, then eased up.)

Quoting LeapBaby123: I did try that position and he seems to do a little better with it, though he's still unlatching and crying about every 2 minutes.



Quoting gdiamante:
Quoting LeapBaby123: LO is 5 days old and has been nursing NONSTOP today. Literally, he's maybe slept 2 hours. Well, I could have dealt with that. But starting this evening, he's acting differently. The initial latch is fine and he'll suck away, but then after a few minutes, he'll start twisting his head, pushing against me, and unlatching. And screaming bloody murder. My milk just started coming in yesterday, but I don't think it's the flow that's bothering him because he does fine for several minutes. I've tried burping him, changing positions (football, side-lying, tummy to tummy with me reclined, etc)- he hates all of them. Could I not be making enough milk for him?? I'm absolutely exhausted and he won't sleep :(

Definitely NOT a case of too little. MORE likely a case of TOO MUCH. If your milk just came in he's probably getting bombarded with the flow. Easy fix: Lay him on top of you, tummy to tummy, mouth OVER the breast and latch. Gravity slows the flow.

Unfortunately when milk first comes in the letdown tends to be like a fire hose and baby will protest that mightily.

I'm afraid the not sleeping is par for the course, though.


LeapBaby123
by Kathleen on Jan. 9, 2014 at 3:51 AM
Oh, also, we use a shield due to excrutiatingly painful latch I believe is cause by ties (we're going to have those checked out tomorrow). Do you think that has anything to do with this?

Quoting gdiamante:

OK, keep doing it. Remember, baby's behavior will indficate nothing about supply. The true indicator is the dipe count. At this age you should be seeing 5 changes in 24 hours, two poops amongst them.

He may be trying to encourage supply, and your response is tokeep popping the breast in. You're off-duty for everything but baby care, to give yourself a break. If anyone comes to visit, they owe you a chore or a casserole as admission.

Fair warning: Newborns are really unpleasant critters. Bossy, noisy and smelly betwene those diaper changes! **grin** But they're better than teenagers, trust me!

(Mine was eternally latched for five solid weeks, then eased up.)

Quoting LeapBaby123: I did try that position and he seems to do a little better with it, though he's still unlatching and crying about every 2 minutes.



Quoting gdiamante:
Quoting LeapBaby123: LO is 5 days old and has been nursing NONSTOP today. Literally, he's maybe slept 2 hours. Well, I could have dealt with that. But starting this evening, he's acting differently. The initial latch is fine and he'll suck away, but then after a few minutes, he'll start twisting his head, pushing against me, and unlatching. And screaming bloody murder. My milk just started coming in yesterday, but I don't think it's the flow that's bothering him because he does fine for several minutes. I've tried burping him, changing positions (football, side-lying, tummy to tummy with me reclined, etc)- he hates all of them. Could I not be making enough milk for him?? I'm absolutely exhausted and he won't sleep :(

Definitely NOT a case of too little. MORE likely a case of TOO MUCH. If your milk just came in he's probably getting bombarded with the flow. Easy fix: Lay him on top of you, tummy to tummy, mouth OVER the breast and latch. Gravity slows the flow.

Unfortunately when milk first comes in the letdown tends to be like a fire hose and baby will protest that mightily.

I'm afraid the not sleeping is par for the course, though.


K8wizzo
by Kate on Jan. 9, 2014 at 6:05 AM
Quite possibly. Get the ties clipped

Quoting LeapBaby123: Oh, also, we use a shield due to excrutiatingly painful latch I believe is cause by ties (we're going to have those checked out tomorrow). Do you think that has anything to do with this?



Quoting gdiamante:

OK, keep doing it. Remember, baby's behavior will indficate nothing about supply. The true indicator is the dipe count. At this age you should be seeing 5 changes in 24 hours, two poops amongst them.

He may be trying to encourage supply, and your response is tokeep popping the breast in. You're off-duty for everything but baby care, to give yourself a break. If anyone comes to visit, they owe you a chore or a casserole as admission.

Fair warning: Newborns are really unpleasant critters. Bossy, noisy and smelly betwene those diaper changes! **grin** But they're better than teenagers, trust me!

(Mine was eternally latched for five solid weeks, then eased up.)

Quoting LeapBaby123: I did try that position and he seems to do a little better with it, though he's still unlatching and crying about every 2 minutes.





Quoting gdiamante:
Quoting LeapBaby123: LO is 5 days old and has been nursing NONSTOP today. Literally, he's maybe slept 2 hours. Well, I could have dealt with that. But starting this evening, he's acting differently. The initial latch is fine and he'll suck away, but then after a few minutes, he'll start twisting his head, pushing against me, and unlatching. And screaming bloody murder. My milk just started coming in yesterday, but I don't think it's the flow that's bothering him because he does fine for several minutes. I've tried burping him, changing positions (football, side-lying, tummy to tummy with me reclined, etc)- he hates all of them. Could I not be making enough milk for him?? I'm absolutely exhausted and he won't sleep :(

Definitely NOT a case of too little. MORE likely a case of TOO MUCH. If your milk just came in he's probably getting bombarded with the flow. Easy fix: Lay him on top of you, tummy to tummy, mouth OVER the breast and latch. Gravity slows the flow.

Unfortunately when milk first comes in the letdown tends to be like a fire hose and baby will protest that mightily.

I'm afraid the not sleeping is par for the course, though.


stepconfused182
by Kelley on Jan. 9, 2014 at 6:24 AM
I think it has everything to do with it.

Quoting LeapBaby123: Oh, also, we use a shield due to excrutiatingly painful latch I believe is cause by ties (we're going to have those checked out tomorrow). Do you think that has anything to do with this?



Quoting gdiamante:

OK, keep doing it. Remember, baby's behavior will indficate nothing about supply. The true indicator is the dipe count. At this age you should be seeing 5 changes in 24 hours, two poops amongst them.

He may be trying to encourage supply, and your response is tokeep popping the breast in. You're off-duty for everything but baby care, to give yourself a break. If anyone comes to visit, they owe you a chore or a casserole as admission.

Fair warning: Newborns are really unpleasant critters. Bossy, noisy and smelly betwene those diaper changes! **grin** But they're better than teenagers, trust me!

(Mine was eternally latched for five solid weeks, then eased up.)

Quoting LeapBaby123: I did try that position and he seems to do a little better with it, though he's still unlatching and crying about every 2 minutes.





Quoting gdiamante:
Quoting LeapBaby123: LO is 5 days old and has been nursing NONSTOP today. Literally, he's maybe slept 2 hours. Well, I could have dealt with that. But starting this evening, he's acting differently. The initial latch is fine and he'll suck away, but then after a few minutes, he'll start twisting his head, pushing against me, and unlatching. And screaming bloody murder. My milk just started coming in yesterday, but I don't think it's the flow that's bothering him because he does fine for several minutes. I've tried burping him, changing positions (football, side-lying, tummy to tummy with me reclined, etc)- he hates all of them. Could I not be making enough milk for him?? I'm absolutely exhausted and he won't sleep :(

Definitely NOT a case of too little. MORE likely a case of TOO MUCH. If your milk just came in he's probably getting bombarded with the flow. Easy fix: Lay him on top of you, tummy to tummy, mouth OVER the breast and latch. Gravity slows the flow.

Unfortunately when milk first comes in the letdown tends to be like a fire hose and baby will protest that mightily.

I'm afraid the not sleeping is par for the course, though.


Mammacra
by Member on Jan. 9, 2014 at 6:31 AM
Try pumping or hand expressing until you get your let down. Then latch baby. Use lanolin for your nipples. A newborn has never breastfed before & your a new sleep deprived mom. Don't worry once the first few weeks are over you will both be pros! See a lactation specialist to determine if it's a tongue tie or bad latch. Try to wean from the nipple shield. I never used one but they can be frustrating for babes. Just make sure your entire nipple and most of if not all your areola is in baby's mouth. My kids were all tongue tied and nursed successfully for 18 months without getting the frenulum snipped.
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