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Israel & the Scriptures*

Posted by on Feb. 20, 2010 at 5:19 AM
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I do believe we are living in Biblical times...


Netanyahu: Ezekiel 37 fulfilled
Chad Groening - OneNewsNow - 2/16/2010 4:00:00 AM

Benjamin NetanyahuThe leader of a Messianic Jewish ministry is pleased that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently proclaimed the fulfillment of the prophecy in Ezekiel, Chapter 37.


Speaking on the recent 65th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz in Poland, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu proclaimed the fulfillment of the prophet Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones.
Netanyahu said, "Armed with the Jewish spirit, the justice of man, and the vision of the prophets, we sprouted new branches and grew deep roots. Dry bones became covered with flesh, a spirit filled them, and they lived and stood on their own feet."
Jan MarkellJan Markell, founder and director of Olive Tree Ministries, comments that Netanyahu's statement helps debunk the idea that modern Israel is just a secular country with no connection to ancient biblical prophecy.
"There is a degree of spirituality in Israel, recently with this Benjamin Netanyahu saying that Ezekiel 37 is now fulfilled," she notes. "So I'm encouraged when the top leader in the nation of Israel comes out and stands up for the Bible. This is absolutely tremendously good news."
Markell adds that now that Ezekiel 37 has been fulfilled, chapters 38 and 39 are expected to follow.
"The Ezekiel 38, 39 scenario - that's the Gog and Magog invasion of Israel, where they, being Russia, Iran and some other nations, descend on her to seize her wealth," the Olive Tree Ministries founder mentions.
She concludes that Israel wins that war, and though some scholars argue on the time frame of that event, Markell believes it takes place during the tribulation period.

by on Feb. 20, 2010 at 5:19 AM
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by Bronze Member on Feb. 20, 2010 at 7:26 AM

More using of the bible to defend terrorists.

by on Feb. 20, 2010 at 7:56 AM

 Lovely, Blonde, just lovely.

What does it mean to believe that we are "living in Biblical times"?

by on Feb. 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM

The war will be soon.   Iran is nuclear and I believe they have a weapon.  They are also baked by Russia and china, Pakistan, and Egypt.  Also the Euphrates river has dried up which is very important in scriptures.

by on Feb. 20, 2010 at 9:04 AM

 o'have a nice weekendmy

by on Feb. 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM

I always wonder why people focus so much on the political nation of Israel and I really have no idea how that political nation fits into Biblical prophesy. From my study of scripture (which admittedly was some years ago)...the death of Jesus Christ opened the way for people of all nations, groups, etc to accept him, thereby coming under the protection of God as Spiritual Israelites. Any war against his people, therefore, would involve people in every nation of the world, not just the nation of Israel

by on Feb. 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM

Interesting read, Blondie. Thank you.

by Platinum Member on Feb. 20, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Quoting Ibelongtojesus:

The war will be soon.   Iran is nuclear and I believe they have a weapon.  They are also baked by Russia and china, Pakistan, and Egypt.  Also the Euphrates river has dried up which is very important in scriptures.

Thank you.....I follow the Scriptures closely. We are approaching many of the events mentioned in the Bk. of Revelations~

by on Feb. 20, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Regarding the "source" ~ "At, you will get your news from reporters you can trust to give the latest news without the liberal bias that characterizes so much of the "mainstream" media."

So if you breakdown what they are saying, it means that they will censor what you can, or better said to their angle would be what you should, hear and twist it to fit their needs... golly gee, pardon me if I call that a load of crap!  No wonder you can't come up with an original thought... it would be against the rules to actually think for yourself and decipher what is truth and what is fiction, what is slanted and what is straight reporting...

I feel sorry for you and your kind...

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by on Feb. 20, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Here is an exert from an old article in the Boston Globe, prompted by all the hype from the Left Behind series and peoples now fixation on the end of times ~

"Today's Christian fixation on Armageddon and war is a sickness even while it may be thrilling and entertaining," Rossing said by phone, a few days after she preached on the theme of the Second Coming for the first Sunday in Advent.

Rossing, who has a doctorate from the Harvard Divinity School, says she wrote her latest book, "The Rapture Exposed: The Message of Hope in the Book of Revelation," which came out earlier this year, because "more and more I was talking to Lutherans and evangelicals and even Catholics who had read the [Left Behind] novels and gotten the impression this was what the Bible teaches." In news stories on the Left Behind juggernaut, she has been quoted condemning the ethical implications of the "beam-me-up" aspect of Rapture theory, which she says "invites a selfish nonconcern for the world." But the heart of the book is Rossing's effort to go toe-to-toe with the Rapture theorists in Scriptural readings.

The Rapture theory itself is quite new, she argues -- one reason to be suspicious. It was largely invented around 1830 by a British evangelical named John Nelson Darby. One key proof-text, then as now, is Daniel 9:24-27, which speaks of "seventy weeks of years" between the time "the word went out to restore and build Jerusalem" and the second coming. Theologians disagree on when the clock should start for the countdown of those 490 years (70 times seven). After the 69th week, however, Daniel says a "prince" will come who "shall destroy the city and its sanctuary" through war and flood.

Rossing and other mainline biblical scholars believe this last is a historical reference to an emperor named Antiochus, who desecrated Jerusalem's main temple in 168 BC by erecting a statue of Zeus. However, the Rapture theorists say this can't be what Daniel refers to, citing a lack of the all-out "desolation" described in Daniel. Instead, they say, the 490-year countdown continued into Jesus' time and stopped when he was crucified. Therefore, the Earth still awaits one more week of years, or seven years, of the prophecy: first, the destruction of the Temple (which at this point must be rebuilt, on the site where the Dome of the Rock now stands) and then seven years of war and flood.

Rossing calls the purported 2,000-year clock stoppage -- unmentioned in Daniel -- a "complete fabrication." Additionally, she says, the Rapture theorists strain to impose a two-part Second Coming on the New Testament. The gospel of Matthew says, "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left." But Rossing says those lines don't even make it clear which person is being saved, let alone specify a seven-year gap between the two events.

The Book of Revelation, with its hail and fire and plagues and blood, provides the grist for much of the Left Behind books' depiction of the Tribulation. But Rossing calls Revelation an allegorical vision of a possible future -- "a wakeup call" for first-century Christians. (She says it's not unlike the frightening vision of the future that Marley's ghost shows Scrooge in "A Christmas Carol" -- another future that didn't have to happen.) And despite blood and gore, the centerpiece of Revelation, she says, is still the "Lamb" of God, who "conquers" only through love.

To Christians wondering which Biblical reading to believe, Rossing says: "I would just appeal to their experience of God in their lives. Is he a God who wants to destroy the world or who wants to redeem it and who gives us a vision of hope?" Tensions between secular elites and heartland believers have been getting a lot of ink lately. But Rossing's book shows that intellectual battles within Christianity can be just as heated -- and, given that they can shape Christian responses to, say, Middle Eastern wars -- just as consequential.

Boston Globe Article Debunking the Rapture

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