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bill requires ultrasounds

Posted by on Apr. 3, 2008 at 6:13 AM
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House Passes Bill Requiring Ultrasounds Before Abortions


POSTED: 11:49 pm EDT April 2, 2008

Women seeking an abortion would have to have an ultrasound first no matter how far along they are in their pregnancy, and would have to be given a chance to see the image under a bill passed Wednesday by the state House.
The measure would also require special guardians for minor girls seeking to have an abortion without their parents' consent to help decide whether they can.
The bill (HB 257) still needs Senate approval, which isn't as certain. It hasn't had a committee hearing there yet.
Ultrasounds are already required before a woman can get an abortion in the second or third trimester. The bill would require it any time. The bill would require the abortion provider to show the woman the ultrasound image unless she signs a form saying she doesn't want to view it.
Supporters of the bill said requiring ultrasounds before abortions in the first trimester only gives women more information about what they're about to do - and that informed consent is critical in any medical procedure.
"I can't imagine any man having a procedure without prior tests and knowing that he's got everything in order," said Rep. Marti Coley, R-Marianna. "As a woman, as a mother, I ask you to support this bill ... to ensure that all women are offered safe health care."
But opponents - mostly Democrats - argued that the measure wasn't meant to protect the health of women but to put an obstacle in front of women seeking abortions. It's the doctor that should decide whether an ultrasound is necessary in the first trimester, not government, opponents said.
"I'm disappointed we would spend this kind of time on something that is none of our business," said Rep. Joyce Cusack, D-DeLand, during a debate that took up much of an afternoon.
The bill passed 70-45, mostly along party lines.
The measure also would let judges appoint a special guardian, known as a guardian ad litem, for minor girls who are seeking to have an abortion without their parent finding out, which is usually required by law.
Florida law allows a girl to have an abortion without telling her parents if a judge approves it. The guardian ad litem would help the court decide whether the girl is mature enough to make the decision.
Opponents of the measure argued that abortion opponents would "line up" to become guardians ad litem so they could steer girls away from abortions.
The measure's sponsor, Rep. Trey Traviesa, R-Tampa, said it was just as likely that abortion rights supporters would do the same thing and try to help the girls get the abortion.
Several other states have some sort of law requiring ultrasounds before abortions, although they vary on the details such as whether women must view the sonogram.
In 2006, about 95,000 pregnancies were terminated in Florida.

I just thought this was interesting.  In my opinion it's a good thing b/c a woman needs to understand what is going on with her body.  It also says that she can sign something saying she refuses to see the ultrasound so at least there is that option.  I'm not going to go into a huge debate about abortion and whether I think it's right or wrong...but I know some people will.

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lostmom2be
by on Apr. 3, 2008 at 6:28 AM
Ya i dont no what to think. I would sighn up to be someone that the young girls can go to. Im not saying im for or aginst abortion, but it is a choice that every mother has to live with. who am i to judge, it does not hurt me or my family when it is all said and done, and i dont have to live with the decision that was made. I just no so many young woman go through things like this alone and no matter what no one should have to do anything alone. Then girls need to no what is going on with there bodys and that abortion does take a tole on the body so maybe they wont find themselves back where they started. we all make mistakes as long as we learn from them, i think we will be ok. The young girl need to no that this is not a get out of whatever free card or an easy way out.
godzgirl21
by on Apr. 3, 2008 at 6:58 AM
I think that's awesome that they're doing passed that bill!  It will save a lot of babies lives!  I hope you don't mind but I'm gonna hyjack your post to spread the good news!
3teensinmyhouse
by on Apr. 3, 2008 at 8:11 AM
I think it is definitely a good idea.  However, the bill says that an ultrasound is required.....but the woman is given the opportunity to look, she will not be forced.   

There is significant proof now that what is in the womb is not a "blob" or a "mass of tissue" but a life.  The pro-choice movement acts as if they are afraid the woman might change her mind!  But, if they are truly pro-choice they should  not be against this bill.  They should want women to be able to make an informed choice.  If a woman went to the doctor and they said that she had a tumor that needed to be removed, they would show her xrays, mammograms, ultrasounds, or MRI images.  As a matter of fact, she would demand to see, she would not blindly agree with the doctor.  She would want to know what it was, where it was, and all of her options and risks.  She might even seek a second opinion.  It should only be true for abortions.  There are many women who suffer for years after an abortion because they were not given all of the facts....they did not get to make an informed choice.  

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Elyce225
by Ruby Member on Apr. 3, 2008 at 8:28 AM

I dont get it, they already give you an ultrasound when you get an abortion they have to see how far along you are. I took my friend when she had hers done (yes i'm pro choice) and she asked for the pictures to keep. (Her pregnancy was very threating to her and she would'nt have made it through) They have to do it that way in Philadelphia to determine the price.

emily351982
by on Apr. 3, 2008 at 8:35 AM

Quoting lostmom2be:

Ya i dont no what to think. I would sighn up to be someone that the young girls can go to. Im not saying im for or aginst abortion, but it is a choice that every mother has to live with. who am i to judge, it does not hurt me or my family when it is all said and done, and i dont have to live with the decision that was made. I just no so many young woman go through things like this alone and no matter what no one should have to do anything alone. Then girls need to no what is going on with there bodys and that abortion does take a tole on the body so maybe they wont find themselves back where they started. we all make mistakes as long as we learn from them, i think we will be ok. The young girl need to no that this is not a get out of whatever free card or an easy way out.
I agree.  Young girls need someone to support them through something like this especially if they don't feel that they can go to their parents with it.  I think it's a really good thing. 

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mommy2-3kiddos
by on Apr. 3, 2008 at 8:37 AM

I don't think it's going to make much of a difference.  Like it says, they still have the option not to see it so I'm thinking most who have made this choice will opt not to.

I guess it can't hurt, I just don't think there will be a big impact here....

takingthewalk
by on Apr. 3, 2008 at 8:45 AM

i am pro choice an i have had abortions. however, i do think this is a good idea in a way. because if this would have happened to me, maybe things would have been different, or it would have not happened another time. now that i know more about the whole abortion procedure's an i have had a life go to full term inside of me, i would never have an abortion again.


 

Brianne036
by on Apr. 3, 2008 at 9:21 AM
Ultrasound didnt save the first child but it did save the second !!! please read!!! 



I have always be very anti abortion. I fiqured if i could come from a warped drug infested hell hole of a home at 13 and make the choices and sacrifices it took to have my child and offer him a better life then there wasnt alot of room for excuses about "not being ready". I am now gratful that i attempted to not be judgemental. Ironicly it was not when i was 13 that i was faced with a child i couldn't handle. I had been married for 5 years and then left my husband the year b4. I left another bad relationship and 4 weeks later found out i was pregnant. This was a huge shock bc i took BC. I decided to have an abortion. i had to have two visits and two ultra sonds even after my original dr visit where i found out. My period put me at 7wks at time i was supposed to have it, but my follow up exam on the planned day showed no progress in the fetus from two weeks b4.The clinic called in my records from my gyno and found the same thing. No change in 4 weeks of records. the specialist came in and determined that i had become pregnant much b4 and the pregnancy terminated its self at 4wks. it just never expelled. I could have been preg for as much as a year. I am so gratful that this was found b4  the procedure. not because it takes away from the choice i made, i had made my decision so i lost no guilt in that since. But the ultra sound saved my future children. I had chosen the abortion pill. Its a 2 part process. the first pill "terminates" by paralyzing ur uterus and contents and 1-3 days later u take 4 more pills that induce a medical miscarriage. If i have taken the first pill that day i would have almost definitely been unable to conceive again and mabey have needed a hysterectomy at 19. I am now expecting my child anyday now, I have a loving partner of 2yrs who just happened to be my unromantic friend that was there for me  thru all of that and had even stayed with me to help me recover. I hate that that was the circumstances we fell in love under but i am so glad we did. I cant take back the choice i made b4 i knew everything so i dont use the circumstances as defense for it. I do however belive that the clinics personal choice to be thorough has given me another chance. The ultrasoud may not have saved the first child but it saved my next one and for that i am very gratful. I even sent a letter to the clinic thanking them for the life they had saved. I hope it was a refreshing change to what the providers usually get. Support the bill no matter what side u are on. It really could do so much good for so many even if it doesnt save the life its intended to.
ShellyDarlene
by on Apr. 3, 2008 at 10:30 AM
I am pro-choice always have been and always will be AND I support the bill.

I am also not affraid to tell you why. Abortion is not a choice for every woman. Sometimes we make our choices based on what we think at that second and not what we know. I had one a few years back and had the ultrasound to confirm that I was first trimester. I looked and saw my little alien baby. It made my choice a harder one but it made me stop and think and then rethink what I was doing. It helped me know that I only had one choice. When you think of it as a blob and not a baby the choice can be made to easily. IMO it won't stop every procidure or change every mind but it will allow people to understand what they are doing and make a more informed choice. We have to make sure we can live with the choices we make
 
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