Vaccines.....

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  • bren_darlene
  on Jul. 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM

•  I also forgot to mention this cafemom group.  This ladys DD was injured and she devoted a group to get the word out on the dangers of vaccines.  I highly recommend this group. There is not hardly any discussion on it but it is FULL of facts and info.  You can about get info overload she has so much good stuff LOL.  It is great.

  http://www.cafemom.com/group/48504
  

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  • bren_darlene
  on Jul. 2, 2009 at 10:20 AM

• A good article I found

  Wednesday, June 17, 2009

  BASIC FACTS TO KNOW ABOUT VACCINATIONS

  1. Vaccines are toxic.
  
  *Vaccines contain substances poisonous to humans (i.e. mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum, etc.) Vaccine package inserts contain this and other information required by law to be disclosed to the public. Although these inserts are produced for consumers, doctors do not make them available to their patients.
  
  *Vaccines are grown on and contain foreign tissue and altered genetic material of both human and animal origin.
  
  2. Immunization (the act of injecting vaccines) depresses and disables brain and immune function. Honest, unbiased scientific investigation has shown vaccinations to be a causative factor in many illnesses including:
  
  *Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (aka SIDS, crib or cot death)
  
  *developmental disorders (autism, seizures, mental retardation, hyperactivity, dyslexia, etc.)
  
  *immune deficiency (i.e. AIDS, Epstein Barre Syndrome, etc.)
  
  *degenerative disease (i.e. muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis, arthritis, cancer, leukemia, lupus, fibromyalgia, etc.)
  
  3. The high rate of adverse vaccine reactions is being ignored and denied by conventional medicine.
  
  *Prior to 1990, doctors were not legally required to report adverse reactions to the Center for Disease Control (CDC).
  
  *Adverse reactions are considered "normal", are ignored or diagnosed as other diseases. Even with this poor system, reported damage is substantial.
  
  *Despite their current legal obligation, less than 10% of doctors report the damage they witness to the CDC.
  
  *Throughout history, many prominent medical and non-medical health professionals around the world have voiced their vehement opposition to vaccination calling it scientific fraud.
  
  4. Mass Vaccination Programs systematically and recklessly endanger the public while disregarding our rights.
  
  *Since vaccination breaks the skin, it is technically a surgery. All surgeries by law require informed consent. Informed consent is rarely attained before vaccines are administered.
  
  *Doctors vaccinate the unwitting and uninformed. The vaccine manufacturers' package inserts which contain biased industry claims and the bare minimum required by law to reveal are not routinely made available to consumers so that they can make a more informed choice.
  
  *Double-talk and unethical enforcement such as threats, intimidation and coercion are used to ensure vaccination compliance.
  
  5. There is no proof that vaccinations are safe or effective.
  
  *There are no control group studies. Authorities consider that "to not vaccinate" is unethical and have refused to study unvaccinated volunteers. If control studies were done according ' to honest science, vaccination would be outlawed.
  
  *Studies which have been done are not designed to eliminate the examiners bias. Authorities who compile and report disease statistics work closely with and have a vested interest in companies which produce the vaccines. In other industries, this kind of bias is not tolerated. Injuries and deaths in these studies are attributed to anything but vaccination to skew the results and make it appear that vaccines have some merit.
  
  6. Laws allow drug companies to violate the public trust.
  
  *In private vaccine damage suits, information is revealed condemning vaccines as deadly.
  
  *Vaccine manufacturers use "gag orders" as a leverage tool in vaccine damage legal settlements to restrict the plaintiff from disclosing to the public the truth about the dangerous nature of vaccines. Our government has allowed these unethical tactics to be used which jeopardize public welfare.
  
  7. The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1987 is a pacifier.
  
  *This compensation program pretends to acknowledge the existence of vaccine damage by making "right" the wrongs done. Nothing in this Act attempts to avert these adverse events from happening in the future.
  
  *This Act is the result of vaccine producers pressuring the government to "immunize" them from private lawsuits which can run an average of $4 million per case.
  
  *The fund is made up of tax added into the cost to the consumer of each vaccine, thereby making vaccine consumers pay for one another's and perhaps their own injury; the vaccine manufacturers have made themselves quite "immune" from accountability. In recent years it has become even more difficult to be compensated through this program due to the parameters for determining vaccine damage changing and coroners now ruling out vaccine damage and charging the parents with Shaken Baby Syndrome.
  
  8. Private insurance companies, which do the best liability studies, have totally abandoned coverage for damage to life and property due to:
  
  *Acts of God
  
  *Nuclear war and nuclear power plant accidents
  
  *Vaccination
  
  9. Vaccination is not emergency medicine.
  
  *It is claimed that vaccines avert a possible future risk and yet people are pressured to decide on the spot. A doctor's use of fear and intimidation to force compliance is not ethical. Vaccines are drugs with potential serious adverse reactions. Time and forethought should be given before a decision is made.
  
  10. There is no law enforcing vaccination for babies or anyone else.

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  • Loa1002
  on Jul. 3, 2009 at 1:36 PM

• I am anti-vaccine 110%. My son is 18 months aand has not been vaccinated including the vitamin K shot at birth. Here is my "cut and paste". There are some great web sites and books that are good resources. If you want to ask me any questions you can email me.

  _________________________________________________________________________

  The reasons I DON'T vaccinate:

  I do not believe that vaccinations work

  This is a 15 page report so I'm not going to post it; the most important part is that it includes the Health Sentinel Graphs!  This shows that diseases were on the decline before vaccinations. We need to thank our engineers, plumbers, etc for a good sewage system, better hygiene, and cleaner water NOT vaccines.

  http://www.whale.to/a/bystrianyk3.html

  Ingredients (aluminum, formaldehyde, latex, chicken, monkey kidneys, aborted fetuses from 30 years ago, thimerosal  (still "traces" of it-otherwise known as mercury), the live virus itself, polysorbate 80, MSG, etc etc)

  http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/

  From the CDC web site:

  http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf

  For example take ingredient polysorbate 80 and Google it.... It has 443,000 results. I picked one which supports  that it can cause infertility. This ingredient is also in ice cream, skin care lotion, & many other products. http://infertility.suite101.com/article.cfm/polysorbate_80_causes_infertility

  Side Effects (ADD, ADHD, seizures, autism, SIDS, fever, knots in legs, developmental disorders, auto-immune deficiencies, diabetes, cancer, leukemia, asthma, diabetes, food allergies, the virus itself, death, etc., etc., etc.) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046738.htm

  Check out VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System)   

  http://vaers.hhs.gov/

  At your ped.'s office or you might find it online, look inside the vaccine insert that the manufacturer's sends with the vaccine. They cover their butts and it will tell you of side effects including death.

  Vaccines do not equal immunity (of the 131 cases of the measles, there were kids that were vaccinated)

  Vaccines could be the cause that the diseases are still around (live viruses can cause shedding up to 28 days from getting the shot)

  5 vaccines you should never get:

  http://www.douglassreport.com/reports/vaccines.html?gclid=CMCSrK_pvZcCFQEoGgodkFr6TA

  I highly recommend reading the following books:

  •·         Vaccines: Are They Safe & Effective by Neil Z Miller (footnotes everything, does not say yes or no to vaxes)

  •·         The Hundred-Year Lie by Randall Fitzgerald (touches on vaccines but it is how chemicals are destroying our health)

  •·         Natural Cures: What They Don't Want You To Know About by Kevin Trudeau (he tries to educate people about natural health and how government and the health care systems are corrupt-only touches on vaccines)

  But don't take my opinion research, research, research on your own. I think going against the medical field is thinking outside the box and for all the Mothers here our children are the most important thing. I think educate before you vaccinate. Know your rights and know what you/they are doing to your child. Your Doctor is not GOD. The scientific fields make mistakes and then they might or might not correct them. Thousands of people die from aspirin alone but that is still FDA approved. Do NOT let them use your child as a guinea pig. They don't even do studies to see if the vaccines are safe.

  ........... and yes your child can go to school etc. (check for your state here)   http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx

   

   

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  • erin_suzy
  on Jul. 3, 2009 at 2:36 PM

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  Quoting RubysMommy:
  
  

  I'm with you honey!

  FOR THE VACCINES!
  

  Quoting liz.vaca1:
  
  

  I am strongly for vaccines...

  i have my reasons that i rather not discuss because i know its is a very touchy subject and i dont want to argue with anyone...but feel free to send me a message if you are interested in why i chose to vaccinate =)

   

   

   Me too!
  

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  • chellepenguin
  on Jul. 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM

• Are you sure that he receives that many at 4-years?  Our pediatrician's office only gives the Polio booster at 4-years.  So, you might want to check if that helps you make your decision.

  We do vaccinate.  I personally feel that unless you feel your child has an increased risk of having a reaction to a vaccination (like a family history or another underlying medical problem) then you should vaccinate your child.

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  • hannahsmommy321
  on Jul. 3, 2009 at 3:11 PM

• good luck with this post!
  

  

  
  

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  • anziomom
  on Jul. 3, 2009 at 6:58 PM

• I don't vaccinate. There are many reasons I choose not to, but I will only list a few.

  They is no long term safety testing. Long term to the drug manufacturers is around four to six months...not nearly enough for my peace of mind. No vaccine is tested for its ability to mutate genes, affect fertility or cause cancer. I always found that odd, since almost every product we have on the market undergoes such testing.

  It is an unnatural process. Normally virus/bacteria are entering the body via mucus membranes. They identify the antigen and invoke the appropriate response. By injecting numerous toxins and viruses at the same time, past our first line of defense, seems like it can be counter productive. This would be why numerous autoimmune disorders are listed as side effects on the vaccine package inserts.

  Many of the diseases we vaccinate against, along with others, were in decline before the advent of the vaccine. The decline became consistent with the rise in indoor plumbing, proper disposal of human waste, knowledge of nutrition and as humans learned to control spread of antigens through washing of hands and other hygenic methods.

  I would much rather deal with a treatable illness that lasts a couple of weeks and goes away than a manmade disease that has no known treatment and causes suffering for a lifetime. The "deadly" diseases routinely vaxed against are really not that fatal in the average, healthy person. When you throw autoimmune issues, malnutrition and lack of proper medical care into the mix is when things can turn dire.

   As a prior reply stated, every state has exemptions. My children currently attend on a philosophical exemption. When doing your research remember to research each disease along with the vaccine administered. Compare risks and benefits of both. An informed decision is the best decision. Best wishes on your choices.

  

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  • anziomom
  on Jul. 3, 2009 at 7:06 PM

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  Quoting athenax3:
  
  

  I thought they took the mercury out of vaccines?

  I vax- for many (what I think are) good reasons- however, those who don't vax have valid concerns and reasons as well- talk with your doctor (or a few doctors even) about your concerns and fears, and find out what your alternatives may be regarding the vaccines. Do what you think is best- blessings to you and yours.

  
  In 1999 our government requested removal of Thimerosal from the vaccines. At that point drug companies STARTED to create vaccines considered "Thimerosal free." It took many years for the rest of the full dose vaccines to clear the shelves.

  Now many "Thimerosal free" vaccines are still manufactured using Thimerosal in the process. Before completion they use chemical extraction to remove most of the mercury, leaving behind trace amounts.  The main problem is there is no regulation or testing on each individual batch, so the trace amounts may vary over levels that are considered safe. And because a young infant is unable to shed heavy metals, accumulation can occur over time. They aren't really free of mercury, but are limited.

  The flu shot still contains the full amount of mercury.

   

  

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  • ZMK
  on Jul. 3, 2009 at 7:32 PM

• My son has Autism an i believe he was just born that way.He is due for his 4yr shots and he is going to get them.

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  • Loa1002
  on Jul. 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM

• The immunization schedule that was sent to me says (4-6 years) old that children are supposed to get vaccines. On the list for 4-6 is;

  *DTaP

  *IPV/Polio

  *MMR

  *Varicella

  Just a friendly fyi......I am not sure if they mean you can get these at 4 or anywhere b/t 4-6. If you decide that you will get your child's immunizations I would HIGHLY suggest breaking them up as The DTaP and MMR combines is a really toxic combination. Although it is only 2 actual shots it is still 6 if separated. That is alot in one day.

   

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