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Sex Ed classes going too far?

Posted by on Oct. 25, 2011 at 8:15 AM
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Too racy or just right? That's what New Yorkers are asking after details of the planned sex ed curriculum in New York City public schools were revealed in recent days.

The New York Post said it had reviewed workbooks from the city's Department of Education that included assignments like these:

  • High schoolers go to stores and jot down condom brands, prices and features like lubrication.
  • Teens research a route from school to a clinic that provides birth control and STD tests, and write down its confidentiality policy.
  • Role playing on how to resist sexual advances and on "negotiating condom use."
  • 11-12 year olds sort "risk cards" on various activities — including "intercourse using a condom and an oil-based lubricant," mutual masturbation, French kissing, oral sex and anal sex.

In addition, teens are referred to resources like Columbia University’s website "Go Ask Alice," which explores topics like "doggie-style" and other sex positions, "sadomasochistic sex play," phone sex, oral sex with braces, fetishes, porn stars, vibrators and bestiality.

The curriculum is recommended but not required for the sex ed classes set to start around the city next spring. The classes will be coed, and can be incorporated into existing health education courses.

The city's Department of Education emphasized that the curriculum "stresses that abstinence is the best way to avoid pregnancy and STD/HIV" and reminded the Post that parents have the option to exclude their kids from lessons on "methods of prevention."

Deputy Mayor Linda Gibbs recently commended the return of mandatory sex ed classes, saying students should have accurate information about sexual activity if they do choose to engage in it.

"We want to help kids to delay the onset of sexual activity, and if they choose to engage in sexual activity, to do it in a healthy way," she said last August.

The Post quoted one anonymous Manhattan mom with a middle-school child as describing the possible assignments as "pretty outrageous."

Another mom with two girls was surprised by "how much detail they would get" but also was resigned to children learning about sex on their own even without the curriculum.

 
 

"The state has a legitimate interest in reducing teenage pregnancy and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases," wrote Robert George, a politics professor at Princeton and founder of the American Principles Project, and Melissa Moschella, a political theory grad student at Princeton. "But it is not abuse or neglect to protect the innocence of preteenage children or to teach one’s children more conservative, as opposed to more liberal, moral values."

George and Moschella urged the city to offer a broader parental opt out policy.

The curriculum also was criticized by a noted child psychiatrist — but for another reason.

Miriam Grossman, author of "You’re Teaching My Child What?", told the Post that the curriculum "relies on latex".

"Kids are being told to either abstain or use condoms — that both are responsible, healthy choices," she said.

More focus, she added, should be on the facts that pregnancy can still happen with a condom, and that STDs such as herpes live on body parts not covered by a condom.


From MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45017034/ns/us_news-life/?GT1=43001#.TqapQJsr2so

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kmrtigger
by Kandice on Oct. 25, 2011 at 9:36 AM
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I am still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor so I can think of how I would react to this. I also read it to my husband and he hasn't commented back to me on it either.

PoehlerBear1983
by Bronze Member on Oct. 25, 2011 at 9:42 AM
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Ummm....I think teaching them about the different positions is a bit much. The assignment to research condoms in stores is good though I think alot of teens don't use condoms because they are too embarrassed to buy them
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ttfnt20
by Member on Oct. 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM
I remember having sex ed in 7th grade..but it was no where near what that is saying. They told us the basics and didn't give us assignments for anything. Not sure how'd id feel about that.
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Gardeningmom4
by on Oct. 25, 2011 at 10:04 AM

Ugh no.I'm sorry but that is going to far.Explaining about pregnancy, STD's and ways to avoid them are good.And also telling them that they can and will at times still get pregnant and get an STD is important.More importantly though they should be encouraged to speak to their parents about any questions they may have concerning anything else.Because anything beyond that is for the parents to explain.

Fields456
by Bronze Member on Oct. 25, 2011 at 10:15 AM
I do think it is too extreme , it is the reality Of life today. There is a 7 th grader pregnant in my home town. And when I was in high school I remember there being a 6th grader pregnant. If parents aren't going to teach it to them I think it is great that the have access
To someone who will
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Cindy18
by Cruella on Oct. 25, 2011 at 10:31 AM

 

Quoting PoehlerBear1983:

Ummm....I think teaching them about the different positions is a bit much. The assignment to research condoms in stores is good though I think alot of teens don't use condoms because they are too embarrassed to buy them

 

MrsChairez
by on Oct. 25, 2011 at 10:38 AM
I don't think it is going to far. I think kids need sex ed starting in middle school. The more informed they are, the more likely they will make a good decision. I think the reason kids are having sex younger & younger is because they are curious & they aren't getting answers at home or at school.

I don't know that sex ed could go too far, IMO. Knowledge is power.
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abmaddox1981
by Bronze Member on Oct. 25, 2011 at 10:38 AM
At least they're trying to educate the kids. It would be different if ALL parents had the talk with their kids, but they don't. Then parents want to get mad because their teenagers get pregnant or worse. I've already had a couple of discussions with my 9yr old, but not all parents do that.
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JanuaryBaby06
by on Oct. 25, 2011 at 10:42 AM

i would not be okay with that.

mikeyjavimami21
by on Oct. 25, 2011 at 12:18 PM
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I like the assignments, but not how far they go in to the "kinkiness" of sex and positions and all that. I know that had I been taught properly about prevention and such I probably wouldn't have gotten pregnant so young.

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