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Another IEP question **update**

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What reasons would there be for not wanting parents to have a copy of the evaluations to review before the IEP meeting?

 

**I just received an email stating the reports will be ready for me to pick up by the end of the day today and that they will keep the Friday meeting scheduled.

by on Feb. 27, 2013 at 6:23 PM
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disneymom2two
by Silver Member on Mar. 12, 2013 at 6:42 AM

The IEP is developed at the meeting in MA but we have to send home the evaluation reports 2 days ahead.  Our school's parents end up with an extra day because we typically do meetings on Mondays so we send them home Friday.  They are not getting an IEP, they are simply getting the evaluation reports.  I see both the pros and cons of this.  It gives them a chance to digest the info, especially if it is surprising.  On the other hand, especially being over the weekend when we're not available, some parents get upset and it builds over the 2 days so by the time the meeting comes, they are beside themselves because they didn't understand something in the report.


Quoting Kris_PBG:

I would imagine each state has their own quirks.

Although - if the IEP is supposed to be designed as a TEAM with the parent's involvement, how is that done when it is written and sent home 5 days prior to the meeting?

Quoting Morrigan333:

 Doesn't work that way here in Md. They HAVE to release that to you. Like 5 days prior to the meeting.

Quoting Kris_PBG:

I've never seen evaluations sent home prior to the IEP meeting. The professionals explain/interpret the results of evaluations that they completed with the team in the meeting





Suggested IEP goals are typically written up ahead of time, but shared and able to be changed as per the team's recommendations during the meeting.



Parents leave with a copy of the agreed upon IEP and additional papers if requested.







Kris_PBG
by on Mar. 12, 2013 at 6:49 AM
I would think sending it home without any interpretation or discussion would frequently lead to misinterpretation and worry on the part of the parents, as you mentioned.

There is no provision in our state to provide evaluations prior to the meeting.


Quoting disneymom2two:

The IEP is developed at the meeting in MA but we have to send home the evaluation reports 2 days ahead.  Our school's parents end up with an extra day because we typically do meetings on Mondays so we send them home Friday.  They are not getting an IEP, they are simply getting the evaluation reports.  I see both the pros and cons of this.  It gives them a chance to digest the info, especially if it is surprising.  On the other hand, especially being over the weekend when we're not available, some parents get upset and it builds over the 2 days so by the time the meeting comes, they are beside themselves because they didn't understand something in the report.



Quoting Kris_PBG:

I would imagine each state has their own quirks.

Although - if the IEP is supposed to be designed as a TEAM with the parent's involvement, how is that done when it is written and sent home 5 days prior to the meeting?


Quoting Morrigan333:

 Doesn't work that way here in Md. They HAVE to release that to you. Like 5 days prior to the meeting.


Quoting Kris_PBG:

I've never seen evaluations sent home prior to the IEP meeting. The professionals explain/interpret the results of evaluations that they completed with the team in the meeting





Suggested IEP goals are typically written up ahead of time, but shared and able to be changed as per the team's recommendations during the meeting.



Parents leave with a copy of the agreed upon IEP and additional papers if requested.











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Morrigan333
by on Mar. 12, 2013 at 8:36 AM

 Well, maybe that''s because her kid''s school, like my dd's school..isn't trustworthy or at the least knowledgable and beleive what the parents say. For  6 months now the sschool has been telling me that my dd IS turning in her homework..point is..she's NOT doing it daily, because I just saw something in her homewok folder from 2/18/13 and it STILL wasn't turned in! I try to take them in when I see them in the folder for more than 3 days, When I do so..I get warned by the staff there that I can't be coming in all the time putting stuff in the teacher's mailboxes. I asked them, wwell how the heck do you think these assignments will get back to the teacher..because dd ISN'T turning them in. They're in her folder allright..they just never make it OUT of the folder! I wanted them to write into dd's IEP for the teachers to specifically ASK dd for the previous night's homework, They refused. More than on one occasion. My atty is still trying to make this point with the school..that dd just ISN'T turning the work in!    Yeah, I know what you will say..responsibility and all that..however, dd has ADHD and SPD and I mean you can tellher something and 6 secondslater she has no idea you've spoken to her! She forgets that quick!

Quoting mjande4:

You dont even comprehend what you write. First of all, IF I was immature I wouldn't post my thoughts for everyone! Cowardly is attacking you in a pm. I think you are emotionally unbalanced, dont like debates or confrontations, and want everyone to agree with you and make you feel good about yourself. That's not reality. You have received EXCELLENT advice and points of view. You just refuse to acknowledge the fact. 

 

Quoting MsLogansMommy:

 

where did I say that?

Quoting maxswolfsuit:

 

How do you think the school will force you to sign an IEP? If you don't like what it says why would you sign it? 

Quoting MsLogansMommy:

I don't think the school is "out to get me" I think that there are situations where schools do not fully understand the parents rights therefore parents rights get violated I'm sure you wont agree with that but I have known this to be true. What I am trying You don't get to dictate how I respond and frankly you didn't like my information on IEP's. only question now is are you going to delete the thread because you don't like the responses that you are receiving!?
 happening is: going into a meeting have them explain to me their assessments, then they tell me what they are going to do, then they have me sign the IEP and they send me on my way. I want to be recognized as an equal partner of my childs IEP team. I want my input to be recognized as equally valuable and I want my rights as a parent respected. Why is that so offensive to you?  

 

Quoting mjande4:

Not all parents are educated and to give you data without explanation sets the stage for all sorts of miscommunication. That's why the information is presented at the meeting by the professionals. I know that you want the best for your daughter and want to work WITH the school. Don't automatically assume that they are "out to get you". Allow the team to present their findings and then process it and work together. You have repeatedly said how much you like your daughter's teacher. Well, she's a BIG part of this IEP team and I'm sure that she wants the best for your daughter too. Take a deep breath and try not to over think this.

Quoting MsLogansMommy:

 

I don't understand why you think this is an unusual request when it is the actual law that a parent has the right to review the records before the IEP meeting. I am not trying to be difficult I just want an opportunity to prepare for the meeting and in fact this would in my opinion be beneficial to everyone at the meeting regarding their time as well why waste their time having them come to a meeting that is just going to be rescheduled that to me seems like a waste of time. I need to review the reports, process the information, do some of my own research and formulate my questions and suggestions this will take time. I understand that some parents may not be as involved in their childs education and that is very sad to me but I am not one of those moms I am involved, I am educated, I am resourceful and I am an "equal" member of my daughters IEP team and I expect to be treated as one.

Quoting maxswolfsuit:

So do you think they're lying when they say they're finalizing the reports? 

That was a possible explanation offered earlier and I'm sure it's true. It's often a mad dash to get everything done before the meeting because of the massive amount of testing and paper work that needs to be done.  Once the testing is done the psychologist needs to put everything into a narrative so everyone can understand it. It takes hours to do that well. 

This isn't typical request so I'm sure you've caught the school off guard. Rescheduling meetings is complicated because it many people need to change their schedules and some of those people probably work at several different schools and are coordinating schedules with many other people.  Meetings are booked weeks in advance.  The only way to reschedule would be to push the meeting back weeks.  So the fact that the school doesn't want to automatically reschedule in case you need time is understandable. 

I really hope you're not assuming the school is trying to pull one over on you. Your request is very unusual. I'm sure they don't have procedure in place for getting reports out early and moving meeting is more complicated than it sounds. 


Quoting MsLogansMommy:

 

They are very careful not to flat out refuse to give me the reports ahead of time since they have no legal right to do so however they are not cooperating either. They are telling me that they will go over the reports at the meeting and that they are finalizing the reports and if we need to schedule another meeting to allow me more time to review them then we can do so at the IEP meeting. I responded that I would like to reschedule the date now then since I am quite sure that I will need time to review the information in order for me to be an equal part of the IEP team. Basically my whole issue is that I don't want to be sitting in a meeting with 5 other people and be learning this info for the first time and possibly be shocked or saddened or whatever it is I dont want to experience those emotions in a room with strangers I want to be at home with family learning about the areas that my daughter struggles and I am sure I will have questions but I think is would make the actual meeting more efficient because I will have prepared my questions beforehand and if they answer my questions in the explanation that is fine but if I am feeling emotional I many not be as effective as I can be with preparation. and then there is that other small issue that it is my legal right to have the reports before the meeting.

Quoting maxswolfsuit:


Quoting MsLogansMommy:

I understand that at the IEP meeting they will be going over the evaluations and explaining things but I do not see what harm it is for the parents to get a copy of the reports ahead of time since it is the parents legal right to do so.

What explanation did the school give you? Did they refuse to give them to you, or did they say they don't normally do it? There's a big difference. 

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


 

mjande4
by Platinum Member on Mar. 12, 2013 at 8:42 AM


So I will ask you AGAIN. WHY did you stop homeschooling if the public school and it's teachers are so bad!? You bring it up in EVERY thread, yet you have not explained when asked numerous times, why you returned to this school system.

Quoting Morrigan333:

 Well, maybe that''s because her kid''s school, like my dd's school..isn't trustworthy or at the least knowledgable and beleive what the parents say. For  6 months now the sschool has been telling me that my dd IS turning in her homework..point is..she's NOT doing it daily, because I just saw something in her homewok folder from 2/18/13 and it STILL wasn't turned in! I try to take them in when I see them in the folder for more than 3 days, When I do so..I get warned by the staff there that I can't be coming in all the time putting stuff in the teacher's mailboxes. I asked them, wwell how the heck do you think these assignments will get back to the teacher..because dd ISN'T turning them in. They're in her folder allright..they just never make it OUT of the folder! I wanted them to write into dd's IEP for the teachers to specifically ASK dd for the previous night's homework, They refused. More than on one occasion. My atty is still trying to make this point with the school..that dd just ISN'T turning the work in!    Yeah, I know what you will say..responsibility and all that..however, dd has ADHD and SPD and I mean you can tellher something and 6 secondslater she has no idea you've spoken to her! She forgets that quick!

Quoting mjande4:

You dont even comprehend what you write. First of all, IF I was immature I wouldn't post my thoughts for everyone! Cowardly is attacking you in a pm. I think you are emotionally unbalanced, dont like debates or confrontations, and want everyone to agree with you and make you feel good about yourself. That's not reality. You have received EXCELLENT advice and points of view. You just refuse to acknowledge the fact. 


Quoting MsLogansMommy:


where did I say that?

Quoting maxswolfsuit:


How do you think the school will force you to sign an IEP? If you don't like what it says why would you sign it? 

Quoting MsLogansMommy:

I don't think the school is "out to get me" I think that there are situations where schools do not fully understand the parents rights therefore parents rights get violated I'm sure you wont agree with that but I have known this to be true. What I am trying You don't get to dictate how I respond and frankly you didn't like my information on IEP's. only question now is are you going to delete the thread because you don't like the responses that you are receiving!?
 happening is: going into a meeting have them explain to me their assessments, then they tell me what they are going to do, then they have me sign the IEP and they send me on my way. I want to be recognized as an equal partner of my childs IEP team. I want my input to be recognized as equally valuable and I want my rights as a parent respected. Why is that so offensive to you?  


Quoting mjande4:

Not all parents are educated and to give you data without explanation sets the stage for all sorts of miscommunication. That's why the information is presented at the meeting by the professionals. I know that you want the best for your daughter and want to work WITH the school. Don't automatically assume that they are "out to get you". Allow the team to present their findings and then process it and work together. You have repeatedly said how much you like your daughter's teacher. Well, she's a BIG part of this IEP team and I'm sure that she wants the best for your daughter too. Take a deep breath and try not to over think this.

Quoting MsLogansMommy:


I don't understand why you think this is an unusual request when it is the actual law that a parent has the right to review the records before the IEP meeting. I am not trying to be difficult I just want an opportunity to prepare for the meeting and in fact this would in my opinion be beneficial to everyone at the meeting regarding their time as well why waste their time having them come to a meeting that is just going to be rescheduled that to me seems like a waste of time. I need to review the reports, process the information, do some of my own research and formulate my questions and suggestions this will take time. I understand that some parents may not be as involved in their childs education and that is very sad to me but I am not one of those moms I am involved, I am educated, I am resourceful and I am an "equal" member of my daughters IEP team and I expect to be treated as one.

Quoting maxswolfsuit:

So do you think they're lying when they say they're finalizing the reports? 

That was a possible explanation offered earlier and I'm sure it's true. It's often a mad dash to get everything done before the meeting because of the massive amount of testing and paper work that needs to be done.  Once the testing is done the psychologist needs to put everything into a narrative so everyone can understand it. It takes hours to do that well. 

This isn't typical request so I'm sure you've caught the school off guard. Rescheduling meetings is complicated because it many people need to change their schedules and some of those people probably work at several different schools and are coordinating schedules with many other people.  Meetings are booked weeks in advance.  The only way to reschedule would be to push the meeting back weeks.  So the fact that the school doesn't want to automatically reschedule in case you need time is understandable. 

I really hope you're not assuming the school is trying to pull one over on you. Your request is very unusual. I'm sure they don't have procedure in place for getting reports out early and moving meeting is more complicated than it sounds. 


Quoting MsLogansMommy:


They are very careful not to flat out refuse to give me the reports ahead of time since they have no legal right to do so however they are not cooperating either. They are telling me that they will go over the reports at the meeting and that they are finalizing the reports and if we need to schedule another meeting to allow me more time to review them then we can do so at the IEP meeting. I responded that I would like to reschedule the date now then since I am quite sure that I will need time to review the information in order for me to be an equal part of the IEP team. Basically my whole issue is that I don't want to be sitting in a meeting with 5 other people and be learning this info for the first time and possibly be shocked or saddened or whatever it is I dont want to experience those emotions in a room with strangers I want to be at home with family learning about the areas that my daughter struggles and I am sure I will have questions but I think is would make the actual meeting more efficient because I will have prepared my questions beforehand and if they answer my questions in the explanation that is fine but if I am feeling emotional I many not be as effective as I can be with preparation. and then there is that other small issue that it is my legal right to have the reports before the meeting.

Quoting maxswolfsuit:


Quoting MsLogansMommy:

I understand that at the IEP meeting they will be going over the evaluations and explaining things but I do not see what harm it is for the parents to get a copy of the reports ahead of time since it is the parents legal right to do so.

What explanation did the school give you? Did they refuse to give them to you, or did they say they don't normally do it? There's a big difference. 



















jewel80
by on Mar. 12, 2013 at 5:09 PM
Those situations have nothing to do with a parent WHO WANTS TO USE THEIR RIGHT TO BE AN EQUAL MEMBER i dont know what you do when a parent doesnt show up or relatives take the kids, i never looked into that bc i show up and my relatives arent taking my kid! A parent not showi ng is different that a parent who is asking for info


Quoting thebailiffs:

jewel80-

So how would you suggest we handle the parent who "moved to the mountains" leaving the child with a distant relative.  Or the IEP where 10 professionals (including the principal, case manager, psychologist, teachers and specialists) all showed up at 7am and the parent did not show up. We send a letter home, called and send a message with the child. We were told by the parent that someone would come....

Or last week, one of the kids I work with was taken away from his mother in the middle of the day. He now lives with people who do not have educational rights...


I would love to have a family assist me in writing goals...




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BKozICan
by Member on Mar. 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM

I haven't gotten copies of most reports ahead of time, but have spoken to each "reporter" and discussed what would be in it.

In my experience, our OTs have been the best at "scripting" what we want in the report ahead of time and how we want his goals to be before meeting with the case manager.

SAMI_JO
by on Mar. 12, 2013 at 5:22 PM
Here where we live in AL, we don't get a copy of anything before the meeting.

Quoting diaperstodating:

I don't know. The teachers always send home a draft of the IEP or evaluations to me to review before IEP meetings.


At the start of the meeting they ask me if I have any questions.
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MsLogansMommy
by Bronze Member on Mar. 12, 2013 at 8:58 PM
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what I want to stress here is the fact that we are all different and we all parent differently. That being said a teacher or a school cannot make an across the board judgement of a parent based on the previous experience they have had with other parents. Yes, there are parents who don't care, and yes, there are parents who do care but just arent capable of being involved on this type of level and then there are parents who care, research, gain knowledge, and are fully capable, competent, and prepared to participate fully in the creation of an IEP for "THEIR" child. I want those parents to know that it is their right to have the evaluation reports in advance of the meeting and this includes all states. It is not a state statute it is a federal one. I also want to make clear that although I respect teachers and will always try to work as a team with my daughters teachers I expect the same respect in return as my child's parent. In regards to the education of my child I do not feel either one of us (teacher or myself) is more important than the other I believe we can both offer equal value in the education of my child. Isn't this exactly what most teachers say they want; a parent that is involved and cares about their child's education?

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