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Pro-Choice vs. Pro-Life *clean debate plz*

Posted by on Nov. 12, 2009 at 8:20 PM
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Question: Which category do you fall into??

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Pro-Choice

Pro-Life

A lil of both

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I was trying to find something to explain both sides of the argument so I looked up "Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice".  And here's the information I got.  It was nice to finally hear the diff in beliefs without ppl bitchin that some1 doesnt agree with their belief.

I am 100% Pro-Life.  And if you could please read the information and give an honest answer as to which you agree completely with, or if u agree with diff things from each please explain.  LETS TRY TO KEEP THIS CLEAN LADIES!! I just want to have a decent debate!  Not trying to stir up drama!  I'd like to just talk n get to know some moms is all!

Here's the link I got this info from if you'd like to read more:

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/abortion/tp/Pro-Life-vs-Pro-Choice.htm

 

 

The Pro-Life Issue Spectrum

To say that someone is "pro-life" is to say that the person believes that the government has an obligation to preserve all human life, regardless of intent, viability, or quality-of-life concerns.

A comprehensive pro-life ethic, such as that proposed by the Roman Catholic Church and similar religious organizations, prohibits:

  • Abortion ;
  • Euthanasia and assisted suicide ;
  • The death penalty ; and
  • War, with very few exceptions.

In cases where the pro-life ethic conflicts with personal autonomy, as in the case of abortion and assisted suicide, it is conservative. In cases where the pro-life ethic conflicts with government policy, as in the case of the death penalty and war, it is liberal.

 

The Pro-Choice Issue Spectrum

To be "pro-choice" is to believe that individuals have unlimited autonomy with respect to their own reproductive systems as long as they do not breach the autonomy of others.

A comprehensive pro-choice position affirms that all of the following must remain legal:

  • Celibacy and abstinence ;
  • Contraception use ;
  • Emergency contraception use ;
  • Abortion, for the first two trimesters of pregnancy ; and
  • Childbirth.

In the United States, the pro-choice position is perceived as "pro-abortion." In China, where abortion is sometimes required by law, the pro-choice position would be perceived as "anti-abortion." The purpose of the pro-choice movement is to ensure that all choices remain legal.

 

Point of Conflict

The pro-life and pro-choice movements primarily come into conflict on the issue of abortion. The pro-life movement argues that even non-viable, undeveloped human life is sacred and must be protected by the government. Abortion, according to this model, must not be legal, nor should it be widely practiced on an illegal basis.

The pro-choice movement argues that in cases where human personhood cannot be proven, e.g. in pregnancies prior to the point of viability, the government does not have the right to impede a woman's right to decide whether or not to continue a pregnancy.

Religion and the Sanctity of Life

What politicians on both sides of the debate generally fail to acknowledge is the religious nature of the conflict.

If one believes in an immortal soul that is implanted at the moment of conception, and if personhood is determined by the presence of that immortal soul, then there is little difference, in effect, between terminating a week-old pregnancy or killing a living, breathing person. Rational members of the pro-life movement do acknowledge that there is a difference in intent--abortion would be, at worst, involuntary manslaughter rather than murder--but the consequences, i.e. the death of a human person, are regarded by pro-lifers in much the same way.

Religious Pluralism and the Obligation of a Secular Government

The trouble is that the United States government cannot acknowledge the existence of an immortal soul implanted at conception without taking on a specific, theological definition of personhood.

Some theological traditions teach that the soul is implanted at quickening--when the fetus begins to move--and not at conception. Other theological traditions teach that the soul is implanted at birth. Some traditions teach that the soul is implanted well after birth. And still other theological traditions teach that there is no immortal soul at all.

Can Science Tell Us Anything?

There is no scientific basis for the existence of a soul, but there is no scientific basis for the existence of subjectivity, either, which makes it difficult to ascertain concepts such as "sanctity." Physics alone can't tell us whether a human life is worth more or less than a rock. We value each other for social, emotional reasons; science does not tell us to do it.

But to the extent that we do have anything approaching a scientific definition of personhood, it would most likely rest in our understanding of the brain. That being the case, it's worth noting that neocortical development, which scientists believe makes emotion and cognition possible, does not begin until the late second or early third trimester of pregnancy.

Two Other Standards of Personhood

Some pro-life advocates argue that it is the presence of life alone, or of unique DNA, that defines personhood.

The problem with the life-alone argument is that many things that we do not consider living persons meet that criteria. Our tonsils and appendices are certainly both human and alive, but we do not consider their removal as constituting anything close to the killing of a person.

The unique DNA argument is more compelling, but also poses problems. Sperm and egg cells, for example, contain the genetic material that will later form the zygote. The question of whether certain forms of gene therapy also creates new persons would also be raised by this definition of personhood.

The Burden of Proof

Before the government can prove that a homicide has taken place, it must first produce evidence--a person's body, or sufficient body tissue as to constitute a body for legal purposes. It would not do for homicide prosecutions to proceed based solely on a philosophical or religious conviction that a murder has taken place.

Ronald Reagan famously said in the 1980s that if the government is to err, it must err on the side of protecting life. In practice, to err on the side of life in criminal prosecutions is to convict without adequate evidence. Our system of jurisprudence is not consistent with this goal.

No Choice

On the other hand, the pro-life vs. pro-choice debate tends to overlook the fact that the vast majority of women who have abortions do not, in fact, do so entirely by choice. Circumstances put them in a position where abortion is the least self-destructive option available to them.

According to a study conducted by the Guttmacher Institute, 68% of women who have abortions in the United States say that they cannot afford to have children and 27% cite this as their primary reason for terminating the pregnancy. 20% cite health reasons. 38% are young women either hiding pregnancies from their parents, or ordered by their parents to terminate their pregnancies.
 
 
 
by on Nov. 12, 2009 at 8:20 PM
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MomX04
by on Nov. 12, 2009 at 8:22 PM

You want a clean debate on this subject.......good luck with that.

mamabeth4180
by on Nov. 12, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Pro choice



possummom
by on Nov. 12, 2009 at 8:28 PM

pro choice all the way.

                 

simplee_me
by on Nov. 12, 2009 at 8:29 PM

A clean "debate" you will mostly likely not get.

I will however share with you, what Pro-Choice (which is what I am) means to "Me".. everyone see that word 'Me", I'm not speaking for anyone else.

For "me" Pro-Choice is simply in the moniker.  I believe the right to make a decision in this area belongs to and should always belong to each and every individual woman.. One person's "choice" isn't necessarily the "choice" another would make.. Each and everyone of us make our personal life choices based on: our own individual beliefs, our own individual "moral compass, our own individual circumstances. Sine these choices are made based on those things, who am I to tell any other woman what her choice should be.. She is not me, I am not her. She does not live my life, I do not live hers. I have no place nor business making a choice for another woman, nor should I  have the ability  or say in order to force my choice on her

Pro-Choice........ The right to not only make my own personal choice based on my own individuals reasons. But the right to allow other women to do the same.

sweetstkissez22
by on Nov. 12, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Very well said...and agreed!

Quoting simplee_me:

A clean "debate" you will mostly likely not get.

I will however share with you, what Pro-Choice (which is what I am) means to "Me".. everyone see that word 'Me", I'm not speaking for anyone else.

For "me" Pro-Choice is simply in the moniker.  I believe the right to make a decision in this area belongs to and should always belong to each and every individual woman.. One person's "choice" isn't necessarily the "choice" another would make.. Each and everyone of us make our personal life choices based on: our own individual beliefs, our own individual "moral compass, our own individual circumstances. Sine these choices are made based on those things, who am I to tell any other woman what her choice should be.. She is not me, I am not her. She does not live my life, I do not live hers. I have no place nor business making a choice for another woman, nor should I  have the ability  or say in order to force my choice on her

Pro-Choice........ The right to not only make my own personal choice based on my own individuals reasons. But the right to allow other women to do the same.


psychmama
by on Nov. 12, 2009 at 8:32 PM

I am 100% Pro Life.

I believe that life begins at conception and that the unborn child has just as many rights as the mother.


MomofVictor
by on Nov. 12, 2009 at 8:34 PM

I am a little of both and this is why....

I believe women should have the right to choose what is right for them (Pro-Choice)...HOWEVER...Abortion is NOT an option for me and  I would never have one (Pro-Life).

ready_for2
by on Nov. 12, 2009 at 8:37 PM

idk, i really hate this subject, bc i dont want to be either one. i am agaisnt abortions, i think they are horrible, and i think it is killing a baby, BUT i am also against telling others what to do with THEIR bodies. the problem i have there though, is that it is not JUST this womans body, but also the body developing inside her. i dont think anyone should have to tell a woman what to do. i think it should be and IS her choice. however, i wish no one would ever choose to do something like that! so idk, im kinda both pro choice and pro life


Bella_Angel
by on Nov. 12, 2009 at 9:08 PM

I appreciate you're input and stating YOUR opinion!  I love that you defined it so well also!

Quoting simplee_me:

A clean "debate" you will mostly likely not get.

I will however share with you, what Pro-Choice (which is what I am) means to "Me".. everyone see that word 'Me", I'm not speaking for anyone else.

For "me" Pro-Choice is simply in the moniker.  I believe the right to make a decision in this area belongs to and should always belong to each and every individual woman.. One person's "choice" isn't necessarily the "choice" another would make.. Each and everyone of us make our personal life choices based on: our own individual beliefs, our own individual "moral compass, our own individual circumstances. Sine these choices are made based on those things, who am I to tell any other woman what her choice should be.. She is not me, I am not her. She does not live my life, I do not live hers. I have no place nor business making a choice for another woman, nor should I  have the ability  or say in order to force my choice on her

Pro-Choice........ The right to not only make my own personal choice based on my own individuals reasons. But the right to allow other women to do the same.


Bella_Angel
by on Nov. 12, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Thank you all SSSOOOOOO much for keepin it nice on my post!!!  GREATLY APPRECIATE IT!!!  It's nice to see your diff views!  Keep em comin!

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