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"national defense act "terrifying"...........do you know what martial law is and what it means?

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Ron Paul And The Tea Party Can't Save You: 2012 National Defense Act Is 'Terrifying'

David Seaman, Credit Card Outlaw|Dec. 2, 2011, 5:59 AM|33,783|54

There has been considerable confusion over the past few hours as to whether the Senate -- which passed the National Defense Authorization Act (FY 2012) -- included a last-minute "waiver" to protect American citizens from some of the bill's more outrageous and fascist elements, including the right of the US government to detain citizens -- even those on American soil, and not charged with a crime -- indefinitely in military prison. This means that peaceful protesters could be rounded up, dishonestly labeled as potential terrorists or "suspicious," and imprisoned for life without a trial or attorney. This means that federal military personnel would be patrolling our streets, literally signaling the end of our free republic.

The offending section of the NDAA has been compared to the internment camps the US government ran during World War II, except this time around it will be Ron Paul supporters, Tea Party members, and young Occupy Wall Street organizers in the detainment camps.

It doesn't matter if a last-minute waiver is in the bill; the offending portions are currently worded so vaguely, that any US citizen can be considered a "terrorist" or an aid to terroristic activity. Any US citizen who is inconvenient to the US government can be detained and silenced.

Also, the intent was extremely bad here -- Sens. John McCain, Carl Levin, and Lindsey Graham INTENDED for this bill to redefine the US homeland as a "battlefield" (Graham's words, not mine), allowing the revocation of even our most basic civil rights and access to due process.

When the intent is bad, an intentionally vague section of the NDAA can be interpreted by authorities in the worst possible way. The whole bill must be thrown out, except for key parts to continue military operations and crucial funding of our armed forces.

Let me remind you that this is not a drill. This is not an inflammatory blogger's post. This actually happened, and with the Senate's passage of this bill, it is very close to becoming law. The US mainstream media is not covering this AT ALL, as I pointed out in a recent column. The only source for even remotely accurate information right now is on the social networks, especially Twitter -- this reminds me of something you'd experience in Iran or Syria, not in America.

The best CNN has done, for example, is to mention there's been some "controversy" about new "detainee rights" outlined in the National Defense Authorization Act.

The network neglects to tell its readers and viewers that "detainee" now means American citizen. This is chilling. Americans now have the same rights as random enemy combatants in Afghanistan. Your government is now treating you as it'd treat a member of the Taliban. Congress has committed treason against the American people.

Up until now, no matter how much (or how little) wealth you had... no matter how much or little education and influence you had... every American was at least guaranteed a freedom from fear: your government could not come in the middle of the night with military non-police forces, without charge, and take you away.

If the National Defense Authorization Act clears the House and is not vetoed by President Obama, that will no longer be true. None of us will be safe. And you won't be given access to a trial or a lawyer.

The media is not telling the public about this bill, which means you have to, before your right to speak out disappears. Tell everyone. This cannot be allowed to stand. This is still the United States of America. And any senator who voted in favor of the National Defense Authorization Act in its current form should be forced to resign from public office immediately. They've crafted a bill that turns America's military against its own people and suspends habeas corpus.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-and-the-tea-party-cant-save-you-2012-national-defense-act-is-terrifying-2011-12#ixzz1fUOfAON9

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jas_momof2
by Silver Member on Dec. 3, 2011 at 11:25 AM
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I think the fact they are making this out to be bigger than it is is "terrifying"... 

Mrs.VanDeKamp
by on Dec. 3, 2011 at 11:25 AM

 

Martial law is the imposition of military rule by military authorities over designated regions on an emergency basis—(usually) only temporary—when the civilian government or civilian authorities fail to function effectively (e.g., maintain order and security, and provide essential services), when there are extensive riots and protests, or when the disobedience of the law becomes widespread. In most cases, military forces are deployed to quiet the crowds, to secure government buildings and key or sensitive locations, and to maintain order.[1] Generally, military personnel replace civil authorities and perform some or all of their functions. The constitution could be suspended, and in full-scale martial law, the highest-ranking military officer would take over, or be installed, as the military governor or as head of the government, thus removing all power from the previous executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government.[1]

Martial law can be used by governments to enforce their rule over the public. Such incidents may occur after a coup d'état (Thailand 2006); when threatened by popular protest (China, Tiananmen Square protests of 1989); to suppress political opposition (Poland in 1981); to stabilize insurrections or perceived insurrections (Canada, The October Crisis of 1970). Martial law may be declared in cases of major natural disasters, however most countries use a different legal construct, such as a "state of emergency".

Martial law has also been imposed during conflicts and in cases of occupations, where the absence of any other civil government provides for an unstable population. Examples of this form of military rule include post World War II reconstruction in Germany and Japan as well as the southern reconstruction following the U.S. Civil War.

Typically, the imposition of martial law accompanies curfews, the suspension of civil law, civil rights, habeas corpus, and the application or extension of military law or military justice to civilians. Civilians defying martial law may be subjected to military tribunal (court-martial).

The martial law concept in the U.S. is closely tied with the right of habeas corpus, which is in essence the right to a hearing on lawful imprisonment, or more broadly, the supervision of law enforcement by the judiciary. The ability to suspend habeas corpus is often equated with martial law.[citation needed] Article 1, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution states, "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

In United States law, martial law is limited by several court decisions that were handed down between the American Civil War and World War II. In 1878, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids military involvement in domestic law enforcement without congressional approval. On October 1, 2002 United States Northern Command was established to provide command and control of Department of Defense homeland defense efforts and to coordinate defense support of civil authorities.[13]

The National Guard is an exception, since unless federalized, they are under the control of state governors.[14] This was changed briefly: Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122), was signed by President Bush on October 17, 2006, and allowed the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities. Title V, Subtitle B, Part II, Section 525(a) of the JWDAA of 2007 reads "The [military] Secretary [of the Army, Navy or Air Force] concerned may order a member of a reserve component under the Secretary's jurisdiction to active duty...The training or duty ordered to be performed...may include...support of operations or missions undertaken by the member's unit at the request of the President or Secretary of Defense."[15] The President signed the Defense Authorization Act of 2008 on January 13, 2008. However, Section 1068 in the enacted 2008 defense authorization bill (H.R. 4986: "National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008") repealed this section of PL 109-364.[16]

 

MissLeanna
by on Dec. 3, 2011 at 11:26 AM
I'm confused, they okayed martial law?
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Mrs.VanDeKamp
by on Dec. 3, 2011 at 11:27 AM

 

  • Martial law is defined as: military rule or authority imposed on a civilian population when the civil authorities cannot maintain law and order, as in a time of war or during an emergency.
  • Hitler turned Germany into a Nazi dictatorship through executive orders.
  • Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.
  • Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.
  • Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.
  • Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.
  • Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.
  • Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."
  • Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.
  • Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.
  • Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES", "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President." This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.
  • Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order.
    RedRozeMom
    by on Dec. 3, 2011 at 11:29 AM
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    Until I research this, I do not have an opinion.
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    Mrs.VanDeKamp
    by on Dec. 3, 2011 at 11:32 AM

     not in so many words, but when a gov't passes a bill such as this you can be assured it is for a reason. Something, we don't know what exactly, but something is about to happen (imo) that will cause this bill to be put into affect in a way that will be harmful to Americans.

    there has been talk of cutting of SS, medicaid, foodstamps, and other PA related services.

    if that was to happen, as many in gov't are pushing for, what would be the result? I can guarantee you, it is going to get ugly.

    although this bill states that it is for "terrorists" it does not have the proper legal wording that excludes it from being used against American citizens seen as a "threat" the wording is very vague, which leaves a lot of room for things to go very very wrong.

    no one will "know" just how badly this bill has affected america until people protesting the loss of important services start being locked up, or worse, shot.

    Quoting MissLeanna:

    I'm confused, they okayed martial law?

     

    Mrs.VanDeKamp
    by on Dec. 3, 2011 at 11:36 AM

    BUMP!

    MissLeanna
    by on Dec. 3, 2011 at 11:37 AM
    Oh it makes sense now.

    That's pretty scary.


    Quoting Mrs.VanDeKamp:

     not in so many words, but when a gov't passes a bill such as this you can be assured it is for a reason. Something, we don't know what exactly, but something is about to happen (imo) that will cause this bill to be put into affect in a way that will be harmful to Americans.


    there has been talk of cutting of SS, medicaid, foodstamps, and other PA related services.


    if that was to happen, as many in gov't are pushing for, what would be the result? I can guarantee you, it is going to get ugly.


    although this bill states that it is for "terrorists" it does not have the proper legal wording that excludes it from being used against American citizens seen as a "threat" the wording is very vague, which leaves a lot of room for things to go very very wrong.


    no one will "know" just how badly this bill has affected america until people protesting the loss of important services start being locked up, or worse, shot.


    Quoting MissLeanna:

    I'm confused, they okayed martial law?

     

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    Mrs.VanDeKamp
    by on Dec. 3, 2011 at 11:40 AM

    BUMP!

    Mrs.VanDeKamp
    by on Dec. 3, 2011 at 11:43 AM

     no, whats scary is all the people who think it won't happen

    Quoting MissLeanna:

    Oh it makes sense now.

    That's pretty scary.


    Quoting Mrs.VanDeKamp:

     not in so many words, but when a gov't passes a bill such as this you can be assured it is for a reason. Something, we don't know what exactly, but something is about to happen (imo) that will cause this bill to be put into affect in a way that will be harmful to Americans.


    there has been talk of cutting of SS, medicaid, foodstamps, and other PA related services.


    if that was to happen, as many in gov't are pushing for, what would be the result? I can guarantee you, it is going to get ugly.


    although this bill states that it is for "terrorists" it does not have the proper legal wording that excludes it from being used against American citizens seen as a "threat" the wording is very vague, which leaves a lot of room for things to go very very wrong.


    no one will "know" just how badly this bill has affected america until people protesting the loss of important services start being locked up, or worse, shot.


    Quoting MissLeanna:

    I'm confused, they okayed martial law?

     

     

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