*christian post* please explain the blind follow regarding homosexuality in these verses
I am going to post 3 verses, and then what version it is from. I'd like to hear from the conservative christians why you think the meanings of this verse is okay to change, and why you would trust something changed durastically for one's agenda.
NO FIGHTING
KJV
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
NKJV
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,a]" style="">[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
American Standard
9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with man,10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.11 And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.
New American Standard
9 Or A)" style="">do you not know that the unrighteous will not B)" style="">inherit the kingdom of God? C)" style="">Do not be deceived; D)" style="">neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor a]" style="">[a]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, willE)" style="">inherit the kingdom of God. 11 F)" style="">Such were some of you; but you were G)" style="">washed, but you wereH)" style="">sanctified, but you were I)" style="">justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
NIV
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? A)" style="">Do not be deceived: B)" style="">Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers C)" style="">nor men who have sex with mena]" style="">[a] D)" style="">10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers E)" style="">will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. F)" style="">But you were washed, G)" style="">you were sanctified, H)" style="">you were justified I)" style="">in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Please explain the blind following? Please note, all 3 versions that speak of homosexuality are new versions.
You do realize that that does not mean a man with a man, right?
HOW is homosexuality more dangerous than hetrosexuality?
Yes, exactly. So what you have learned from your pastor whom has an agenda, or blindly follows his religion's agenda.
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Quoting mitty18:
WITH MANKIND. Those are the last two words there.
You have to realize that the words their translating can have several meanings. Having sex with another man would both harm and endanger them.
I haven't studied this in depth myself. I'm just going by what I have learned and what I believe. I can email my preacher who has studied for an answer if you'd like.
Quoting Mama2ETA:abusers of themselves means to harm/endanger yourself....
how does this translate to homosexuality for your interpretation?
Quoting mitty18:
Nor abusers of themselves with mankind is basically the same thing as homosexual. Homosexual is a scientific word that wasn't in use kjv was written.
Quoting Mama2ETA:so the NKJV should have a completely different meaning than the KJV, even though they were just making it "easier to read" "more up to date"
Quoting mitty18:
Different versions, different translations. you'd have to do some research into what the original greek words were and their meanings.
did you read it? LOL The KVJ and the American Standard Version do NOT say that.
Quoting kansasmom1978:All of those are against homosexuality. It says that men have sex with men are wrong doers. Homosexuals won't inherit God's kingdom.
do you not know that the unrighteous will not B)" style="">inherit the kingdom of God? C)" style="">Do not be deceived; D)" style="">neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor a]" style="">[a]effeminate, nor homosexuals,
that right there says that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. Neither fornicators, idolaters, adultereres, nor homosexuals. You can't just take what you want out of the bible. It says in several places that God does not approve of homosexuality. If you don't like it, tough.
Quoting Mama2ETA:did you read it? LOL The KVJ and the American Standard Version do NOT say that.
Quoting kansasmom1978:All of those are against homosexuality. It says that men have sex with men are wrong doers. Homosexuals won't inherit God's kingdom.
so since it could mean molestation too (in your opinion) let's just ignore that and assume it means homosexuality?
Quoting Mom24munchkins:
In the original greek "abusers of themselves with mankind" strongly indicates a mutual masterbation. Thats why never versions have you the terms they did, but personally I dont think its a great fit. The way the greek states it is possible thats what the writer meant but its also possible that he was speaking of molestation.
Quoting Mama2ETA:abusers of themselves means to harm/endanger yourself....
how does this translate to homosexuality for your interpretation?
Quoting mitty18:
Nor abusers of themselves with mankind is basically the same thing as homosexual. Homosexual is a scientific word that wasn't in use kjv was written.
Quoting Mama2ETA:so the NKJV should have a completely different meaning than the KJV, even though they were just making it "easier to read" "more up to date"
Quoting mitty18:
Different versions, different translations. you'd have to do some research into what the original greek words were and their meanings.
She didn't even read what I put up for her.
That's ok, I'm one of those Christian's that other Christian's think is going to hell bc I don't follow the bible. I'm ok with that:)
Quoting Mama2ETA:
did you read it? LOL The KVJ and the American Standard Version do NOT say that.
Quoting kansasmom1978:
All of those are against homosexuality. It says that men have sex with men are wrong doers. Homosexuals won't inherit God's kingdom.
that is NOT from the KJV. The KJV does NOT say homosexuals. You can't change wording to fit your agenda. Well, you can, but it doesn't work. I am reading it for what it is. I am reading the exact words that are written.
You do realize that your opinion of what God doesn't like could be wrong, right? You are taking verses from "updated" versions of the Bible.
Quoting kansasmom1978:do you not know that the unrighteous will not B)" style="">inherit the kingdom of God? C)" style="">Do not be deceived; D)" style="">neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor a]" style="">[a]effeminate, nor homosexuals,
that right there says that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. Neither fornicators, idolaters, adultereres, nor homosexuals. You can't just take what you want out of the bible. It says in several places that God does not approve of homosexuality. If you don't like it, tough.
Quoting Mama2ETA:did you read it? LOL The KVJ and the American Standard Version do NOT say that.
Quoting kansasmom1978:All of those are against homosexuality. It says that men have sex with men are wrong doers. Homosexuals won't inherit God's kingdom.
Excuse my lack of smarts here:)
Masterbation some how means homosexuality or molestation? Just wondering if I read that right.
Quoting Mama2ETA:
so since it could mean molestation too (in your opinion) let's just ignore that and assume it means homosexuality?
Quoting Mom24munchkins:
In the original greek "abusers of themselves with mankind" strongly indicates a mutual masterbation. Thats why never versions have you the terms they did, but personally I dont think its a great fit. The way the greek states it is possible thats what the writer meant but its also possible that he was speaking of molestation.
Quoting Mama2ETA:
abusers of themselves means to harm/endanger yourself....
how does this translate to homosexuality for your interpretation?
Quoting mitty18:
Nor abusers of themselves with mankind is basically the same thing as homosexual. Homosexual is a scientific word that wasn't in use kjv was written.
Quoting Mama2ETA:
so the NKJV should have a completely different meaning than the KJV, even though they were just making it "easier to read" "more up to date"
Quoting mitty18:
Different versions, different translations. you'd have to do some research into what the original greek words were and their meanings.
me too. It's quite annoying when they are that closed minded, and blindly follow everything spoken to them from the church without using their heads. But they can do as they please, i guess.
Quoting CABZS:She didn't even read what I put up for her.
That's ok, I'm one of those Christian's that other Christian's think is going to hell bc I don't follow the bible. I'm ok with that:)
Quoting Mama2ETA:
did you read it? LOL The KVJ and the American Standard Version do NOT say that.
Quoting kansasmom1978:
All of those are against homosexuality. It says that men have sex with men are wrong doers. Homosexuals won't inherit God's kingdom.
Is it just me, or... ?
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- Mama2ETA
on Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:44 AM