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Should people be charged with child abuse if...

I believe that people that smoke in the same home with children present or in a car should be charged with child abuse. My MIL, FIL, SIL and BIL all smoke in the car with my niece and nephew in it and also smoke in their homes. My niece and nephew are always sick and my niece has been on breathing treatments. My SIL also smoked during her pregnancies. A child's health is being put In danger and I think there needs to be consequences for this. Thoughts?

ETA:  Just read that it is actually illegal to smoke in the car with minors present in some states.  Good for them! 

ETA:  For those that maybe don't understand the effects of second hand smoke on a child....

 

 

Health Effects Of Secondhand Smoke On Children

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September 2009

The 2006 U.S. Surgeon General's Report, "The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Secondhand Smoke," has concluded that there is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke and that, on average, children are exposed to more secondhand smoke than adults. Children are significantly affected by secondhand smoke. Children's bodies are still developing, and exposure to the poisons in secondhand smoke puts them at risk of severe respiratory diseases and can hinder the growth of their lungs. Secondhand smoke is a known cause of low birth weight, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), asthma, bronchitis, pneumonia, middle ear infection, and other diseases.1

Although levels of secondhand smoke exposure declined between 1988-1994 and 1999-2004 in the general population overall, children were the sub-group with the least rate of decline.2

Low Birth Weight

  • Secondhand smoke is a known preventable cause of low birth weight, which contributes to infant mortality and health complications into adulthood. Secondhand smoke exposure reduces the birth weight of infants of nonsmoking mothers and contributes to additional reductions in birth weight among babies of smoking mothers.3

  • Nonsmoking pregnant women who are exposed to secondhand smoke tend to give birth to infants who have a reduced mean birth weight of 33g or more. Secondhand smoke exposure also increases the risk of a birth weight below 2,500g by 22 percent.4

Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)

  • Maternal smoking is the strongest risk factor leading to SIDS.5

  • Infants who die from SIDS tend to have higher concentrations of nicotine in their lungs than do control children, regardless of whether smoking is reported.6

Cognitive Impairments

  • Secondhand smoke exposure impairs a child's ability to learn. It is neurotoxic even at extremely low levels. More than 21.9 million children are estimated to be at risk of reading deficits because of secondhand smoke. Higher levels of exposure to secondhand smoke are also associated with greater deficits in math and visuospatial reasoning.7

  • The offspring of mothers who smoke one pack of cigarettes per day during pregnancy have an IQ score that is, on average, 2.87 points lower than children born to nonsmoking mothers.8

Behavioral Problems

  • Children born to women nonsmokers who are exposed to secondhand smoke during pregnancy and to women who smoked during pregnancy are more likely to suffer from Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) and conduct disorder.9, 10

  • Girls are exposed to higher rates of secondhand smoke than boys, but boys have greater problems with hyperactivity, aggression, depression, and other behavioral problems.11

Respiratory Problems

  • The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has reported that secondhand smoke exposure increases the risk of lower respiratory tract infections such as bronchitis and pneumonia. The EPA estimates that between 150,000 and 300,000 annual cases of lower respiratory tract infections in infants and young children up to 18 months of age are attributable to secondhand smoke exposure. Of these cases, between 7,500 and 15,000 result in hospitalization.12

  • Infants whose mothers smoke are 50 percent more likely to be hospitalized with a respiratory infection during their first year when compared to infants with nonsmoking mothers. Infants whose mothers smoke in the same room have a 56 percent higher risk of being hospitalized compared to infants whose mothers smoke in a separate room. There is a 73 percent higher risk if mothers smoke while holding their infants and a 95 percent higher risk if mothers smoke while feeding their infants.13

  • Early exposure to cigarette smoke is a likely significant independent risk factor for subsequent respiratory disease. It is likely that in utero damage is compounded by increased susceptibility to the effects of continued postnatal secondhand smoke exposure.14

Asthma

  • Asthma attacks are perhaps the most well-known health effect of secondhand smoke exposure among children. Secondhand smoke exposure increases the frequency of episodes and the severity of symptoms in asthmatic children. The EPA estimates that 200,000 to 1,000,000 asthmatic children have their condition worsened by exposure to secondhand smoke.15

  • Secondhand smoke exposure is associated with increased respiratory-related school absenteeism among children, especially those with asthma.16

  • Maternal and grand maternal smoking may increase the risk of childhood asthma. Relative to children of never-smokers, children whose mothers smoked throughout the pregnancy have an elevated risk of asthma in the first five years of life. Children whose mothers quit smoking prior to the pregnancy show no increased risk.17

  • Secondhand smoke exposure causes children who already have asthma to experience more frequent and severe attacks.18

  • Maternal smoking, in utero and later, is significantly related to lifetime wheezing in offspring.19

Repercussions on Adult Health

  • Not only does in utero and childhood secondhand smoke exposure cause decreased lung function and asthma in children, but such exposure is also responsible for poor lung function and respiratory disease in adults. Men who report postnatal secondhand smoke exposure and women who report prenatal exposure are more likely to have respiratory problems as adults.20, 21

  • Secondhand tobacco smoke exposure raises adolescents' risk of metabolic syndrome - a disorder associated with excessive belly fat that increases one's chances of heart disease, stroke, and type II diabetes.22

  • The level of secondhand smoke a child is exposed to is directly proportional to the likelihood of the child becoming a smoker as an adolescent or an adult.23

  • Moderate exposure to tobacco smoke is associated with decreased elasticity of the abdominal aorta in healthy 11-year-old children. Altered aortic elasticity is an early marker of atherosclerosis.24

  • SHS exposure in motor vehicles may be associated with nicotine dependence symptoms among young never-smokers.25

  • Women exposed to six or more hours of secondhand smoke a day as children and as adults have a 68 percent greater chance of having difficulty conceiving and suffering more miscarriages.26

  • There is an increased risk of failed embryo implantation among women reporting current secondhand tobacco smoke exposure.27

  • In subjects hospitalized because of early wheezing, prenatal and postnatal secondhand smoke exposure is a risk factor for asthma in early adulthood. The connection between prenatal smoke exposure and asthma appears to be mediated via the development of bronchial hyper-responsiveness. Smoke exposure in infancy is associated with an increased risk of active smoking in early adult age, which in turn, is linked to current asthma.28

  • The adverse effects of postnatal smoking on development of airway growth may persist into early adulthood.29

May be reprinted with appropriate attribution to the American Nonsmokers' Rights Foundation,© 2009.


REFERENCES

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  2. Schober, S.E.; Zhang, C.; Brody, D.J.; Marano, C., "Disparities in secondhand smoke exposure - United States, 1988-1994 and 1999-2004," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 57(27): 744-747, July 11, 2008.
  3. Dejmek, J.; Solansky, I.; Podrazilova, K.; Sram, R., "The exposure of nonsmoking and smoking mothers to environmental tobacco smoke during different gestational phases and fetal growth," Environmental Health Perspectives 110(6): 601-606, June 2002.
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  7. Yolton, K. et al., "Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke and Cognitive Abilities of U.S. Children and Adolescents," Environmental Health Perspectives, 113(1): 98-103.
  8. Batty, G.D.; Der, G.; Deary, I.J., "Effect of maternal smoking during pregnancy on offspring's cognitive ability: empirical evidence for complete confounding in the US National Longitudinal Survey of Youth," Pediatrics 118(3): 943-950, September 2006.
  9. Button, T.M.M.; Thapar, A.; and McGuffin, P., "Relationship between antisocial behavior, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder and maternal prenatal smoking," British Journal of Psychiatry (2005), 187, 155-160.
  10. Potera, C., "Secondhand behavioral problems," Environmental Health Perspectives 115(10): A492, October 2007.
  11. Yolton, K.; Khoury, J.; Hornung, R.; Dietrich, K.; Succop, P.; Lanphear, B., "Environmental tobacco smoke exposure and child behaviors," Journal of Developmental & Behavioral Pediatrics 29(6):450-457, December 2008.
  12. [n.a.], "Fact Sheet: Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking," U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, April 2004.
  13. Blizzard, L.; Ponsonby, A.; Dwyer, T.; Venn, A.; Cochrane, J.A., "Parental smoking and infant respiratory infection: how important is not smoking in the same room with the baby?" American Journal of Public Health 93(3): 482-488, March 2003.
  14. Prescott, S.L., "Effects of early cigarette smoke exposure on early immune development and respiratory disease," Paediatric Respiratory Reviews 9(1): 3-10, March 2008.
  15. [n.a.], "Fact Sheet: Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking," Environmental Protection Agency, April 2004.
  16. Gilliland, F.D.; Berhane, K.; Islam, T.; Wenten, M.; Rappaport,E.; Avol, E.; Gauderman, W.J.; McConnell, R.; Peters, J.M., "Environmental tobacco smoke and absenteeism related to respiratory illness in schoolchildren," American Journal of Epidemiology 157(1): 861-869, May 15, 2003.
  17. Yu-Fhen, Li. et al., "Maternal and Grandmaternal Smoking Pattern Are Associated With Early Childhood Asthma," Chest, 127(4): 1232, 2005.
  18. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke: A Report of the Surgeon General. Children are Hurt by Secondhand Smoke. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, Office on Smoking and Health, 2006.
  19. Raherison, C.; Penard-Morand, C.; Moreau, D.; Caillaud, D.; Charpin, D.; Kopfersmitt, C.; Lavaud, F.; Taytard, A.; Annesi-maesano, I., "In utero and childhood exposure to parental tobacco smoke, and allergies in schoolchildren," Respiratory Medicine [epub ahead of print], May 28, 2006.
  20. Svanes, C.; Omenaas, E.; Jarvis, D.; Chinn, S.; Gulsvik, A.; Burney, P., "Parental smoking in childhood and adult obstructive lung disease: results from the European Community Respiratory Health Survey," Thorax 59(4): 295-302, April 1, 2004.
  21. Skorge, T.D., et. al., "The Adult Incidence of Asthma and Respiratory Symptoms by Passive Smoking In Utero or in Childhood," American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, Vol. 172, pp. 61-66, April 2005.
  22. Weitzman, M., et. al, "Tobacco Smoke Exposure Is Associated With the Metabolic Syndrome in Adolescents," Circulation 2005, doi:10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.104.520650.
  23. Becklake, M.R.; Ghezzo, H.; Ernst, P., "Childhood predictors of smoking in adolescence: a follow-up study of Montreal schoolchildren," CMAJ 173(4): 377-379, August 16, 2005.
  24. Kallio, K.; Jokinen, E.; Hamalainen, M.; Saarinen, M.; Volanen, I.; Kaitosaari, T.; Viikari, J.; Ronnemaa, T.; Simell, O.; Raitakari, O.T., "Decreased aortic elasticity in healthy 11-year-old children exposed to tobacco smoke," Pediatrics 123(2): e267-e273, February 2009.
  25. Belanger, M.; O'Loughlin, J.; Okoli, C.T.C.; McGrath, J.J.; Setia, M.; Guyon, L.; Gervais, A., "Nicotine dependence symptoms among young never-smokers exposed to secondhand tobacco smoke," Addictive Behaviors [Epub ahead of print], July 23, 2008.
  26. Secondhand smoke raises odds of fertility problems in women," Science Daily, December 5, 2008.
  27. Meeker, J.D.; Missmer, S.A.; Vitonis, A.F.; Cramer, D.W.; Hauser, R., "Risk of spontaneous abortion in women with childhood exposure to parental cigarette smoke," American Journal of Epidemiology 166(5): 571-575, September 1, 2007.
  28. Goksor, E.; Amark, M.; Alm, B.; Gustafsson, P.M.; Wennergren, G., "The impact of pre- and post-natal smoke exposure on future asthma and bronchial hyperresponsiveness," Acta Paediatrica [Epub ahead of print], May 10, 2007.
  29. Hayatbakhsh, M.R.; Sadasivam, S.; Mamun, A.A.; Najman, J.M.; O'Callaghan, M.J., "Maternal smoking during and after pregnancy and lung function in early adulthood: a prospective study," Thorax [Epub ahead of print], June 11, 2009.

by on Sep. 10, 2012 at 4:02 PM
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SticksnStones
by on Sep. 11, 2012 at 10:18 PM
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 Then it should also be "illegal" to feed you children fast food or anything with preservatives in it.  It should also be illegal to wash them with anything but natural products, use anything but natural cleaners in your home and nothing with synthetics at all because there are many carcinogens in those things.  It should also be illegal to allow your children to ride public transportion- they might catch something.  Maybe all of the following will be outlawed and chalked up to child abuse, too?

from: http://ossdemo.com/cancerdancer/content/20-weird-things-cause-cancer

1.FACEBOOK: Social networking sites such as Facebook could raise your risk of serious health problems by reducing levels of face-to-face contact, a doctor claims.

2. WINE: Drinking just a small glass of wine a day can more than double the risk of cancer, a study claims. It says that consuming just one 125ml glass of wine increases the chance of developing mouth and throat cancer by 168 per cent.

3. A COLD: The common cold could be a major cause of childhood cancer, a new study claims. Researchers claim that an infection during pregnancy or in early childhood could leave children more susceptible to cancers like leukaemia or brain tumours.

4. DEODORANT: New research suggests that the aluminium in many anti-perspirants has a potential link with breast cancer. Here, a leading breast cancer specialist explains why he explains why he suggests avoiding the products.

5. CHIPS: Parents are being urged to stop giving their children chips amid fears they dramatically increase the risk of breast cancer. Serving under-fives chips just once a week raises their risk of breast cancer by 27 per cent, shocking new research has shown

6. ORAL SEX: Oral sex raises your risk of throat cancer scientists have warned. A new study found the sex act can pass on the human papillomavirus (HPV), which can trigger a specific type of throat cancer in both men and women

7. VITAMIN E: Vitamin E supplements may raise the risk of lung cancer, doctors have warned. A study of more than 77,000 people found that taking moderate to high doses of vitamin E led to a ’significant’ increase in risk of the cancer that kills on Briton every 15 minutes.

8. SAUSAGES AND BURGERS: A red dye used in sausages and burgers is being banned because it could cause cancer, the European Commission said today. The move will come into force within days

9. SOUP: People who regularly have soup with a high salt content could be increasing their risk of stomach cancer, according to an expert.

10. HAIR DYE: Women who use permanent hair dye may be putting themselves at increased risk of bladder cancer. If you have used hair dye for at least 15 years, the risk is three times greater, says new research

11. MOUTHWASH: There is now ’sufficient evidence’ that mouthwashes containing alcohol contribute to the increased risk of cancer in the mouth, according to a scientist.

12. SUN CREAM: Sun creams could raise the risk of getting skin cancer, warn experts. Although they help prevent sunburn, lotions fail to block out the ultraviolet rays which can cause the disease

13. PRINGLES, HULA-HOOPS & PRINCE CHARLES’ ORGANIC CRISPS: An organic product sold under Prince Charles’s Duchy Originals brand has been found to contain elevated levels of a cancer causing chemical.

14. X-RAYS: Diagnostic X-rays are linked to a small raised risk of cancer, according to researchers. The radiation could be the cause of 700 cancer cases per year in Britain

15. TALCUM POWDER: Women who use talcum powder every day to keep fresh are 40 per cent more likely to develop ovarian cancer, according to alarming research.

16. MOISTURISERS: Moisturisers used by millions of women every day may be increasing their risk of skin cancer, scientists have warned.

17. MOBILE PHONES: Mobile phones can take as little as ten minutes to trigger changes in the brain associated with cancer, scientists claimed yesterday. They found even low levels of radiation from handsets interfere with the way brain cells divide

18. RED MEAT: Eating large amounts of red and processed meat leaves you at greater risk of cancer, a major report has warned. One in ten cases of both lung and bowel cancer could be prevented if people cut down on beef, lamb, pork, sausages, ham and bacon, scientists say

19.TOOTH WHITENER: Dentists are warning the public over the proposed sale of super-strength tooth whitener linked to cancer. Under European Commission plans, the limit on concentration levels of bleach in over-the-counter products will rise 60 times

20. CHOCOLATES AND BAGGED SNACKS: Chocolates and bagged snacks are being pulled from shop shelves after potential cancer-causing toxins were found in a batch of rice flour

 

***To sum it up... Smoking isn't healthy.  However, there are plenty of other harmful things out there and I'm tired of people who smoke being villified. 

Sat.Wed
by on Sep. 11, 2012 at 10:20 PM
I care for my childern (one whom is special needs) and yes I HELP my parents w/my grandmother AND helping with my brother and sister so dont even go there girl, IF your sooooo worried then DO SOMETHING and STOP complaing you sound like a snivleing little brat #just saying


Quoting adulation:

nah, I just call my daughter back inside and tell her she's not allowed to be around grandma when she's smoking.  but i'm sure she does it when i'm not home.  I can't move, my mom can't afford for me to.  Maybe you're that much of a bitch but I'm not.  I help her take care of her mom as well.

Quoting Sat.Wed:

Then MOVE and STOP bitching





Quoting adulation:


I

live with my mom and she smokes.  not in the house, 99% of the time,

but she will let my dughter go outside with her while she smokes and it

pisses me off.  i hate it!

but, I don't think it should be illegal.  I just think she should have more compassion and common sense! ugh.








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inspain
by on Sep. 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM

I'd prefer to give them a ferocious slap upside the head but, barring that, yeah, sure, charge 'em with endangering a child.  Selfish boneheads.

Sat.Wed
by on Sep. 11, 2012 at 10:22 PM
Good one and I agree


Quoting SticksnStones:

 Then it should also be "illegal" to feed you children fast food or anything with preservatives in it.  It should also be illegal to wash them with anything but natural products, use anything but natural cleaners in your home and nothing with synthetics at all because there are many carcinogens in those things.  It should also be illegal to allow your children to ride public transportion- they might catch something.  Maybe all of the following will be outlawed and chalked up to child abuse, too?


from: http://ossdemo.com/cancerdancer/content/20-weird-things-cause-cancer


1.FACEBOOK: Social networking sites such as Facebook could raise your risk of serious health problems by reducing levels of face-to-face contact, a doctor claims.


2. WINE: Drinking just a small glass of wine a day can more than double the risk of cancer, a study claims. It says that consuming just one 125ml glass of wine increases the chance of developing mouth and throat cancer by 168 per cent.


3. A COLD: The common cold could be a major cause of childhood cancer, a new study claims. Researchers claim that an infection during pregnancy or in early childhood could leave children more susceptible to cancers like leukaemia or brain tumours.


4. DEODORANT: New research suggests that the aluminium in many anti-perspirants has a potential link with breast cancer. Here, a leading breast cancer specialist explains why he explains why he suggests avoiding the products.


5. CHIPS: Parents are being urged to stop giving their children chips amid fears they dramatically increase the risk of breast cancer. Serving under-fives chips just once a week raises their risk of breast cancer by 27 per cent, shocking new research has shown


6. ORAL SEX: Oral sex raises your risk of throat cancer scientists have warned. A new study found the sex act can pass on the human papillomavirus (HPV), which can trigger a specific type of throat cancer in both men and women


7. VITAMIN E: Vitamin E supplements may raise the risk of lung cancer, doctors have warned. A study of more than 77,000 people found that taking moderate to high doses of vitamin E led to a ’significant’ increase in risk of the cancer that kills on Briton every 15 minutes.


8. SAUSAGES AND BURGERS: A red dye used in sausages and burgers is being banned because it could cause cancer, the European Commission said today. The move will come into force within days


9. SOUP: People who regularly have soup with a high salt content could be increasing their risk of stomach cancer, according to an expert.


10. HAIR DYE: Women who use permanent hair dye may be putting themselves at increased risk of bladder cancer. If you have used hair dye for at least 15 years, the risk is three times greater, says new research


11. MOUTHWASH: There is now ’sufficient evidence’ that mouthwashes containing alcohol contribute to the increased risk of cancer in the mouth, according to a scientist.


12. SUN CREAM: Sun creams could raise the risk of getting skin cancer, warn experts. Although they help prevent sunburn, lotions fail to block out the ultraviolet rays which can cause the disease


13. PRINGLES, HULA-HOOPS & PRINCE CHARLES’ ORGANIC CRISPS: An organic product sold under Prince Charles’s Duchy Originals brand has been found to contain elevated levels of a cancer causing chemical.


14. X-RAYS: Diagnostic X-rays are linked to a small raised risk of cancer, according to researchers. The radiation could be the cause of 700 cancer cases per year in Britain


15. TALCUM POWDER: Women who use talcum powder every day to keep fresh are 40 per cent more likely to develop ovarian cancer, according to alarming research.


16. MOISTURISERS: Moisturisers used by millions of women every day may be increasing their risk of skin cancer, scientists have warned.


17. MOBILE PHONES: Mobile phones can take as little as ten minutes to trigger changes in the brain associated with cancer, scientists claimed yesterday. They found even low levels of radiation from handsets interfere with the way brain cells divide


18. RED MEAT: Eating large amounts of red and processed meat leaves you at greater risk of cancer, a major report has warned. One in ten cases of both lung and bowel cancer could be prevented if people cut down on beef, lamb, pork, sausages, ham and bacon, scientists say


19.TOOTH WHITENER: Dentists are warning the public over the proposed sale of super-strength tooth whitener linked to cancer. Under European Commission plans, the limit on concentration levels of bleach in over-the-counter products will rise 60 times


20. CHOCOLATES AND BAGGED SNACKS: Chocolates and bagged snacks are being pulled from shop shelves after potential cancer-causing toxins were found in a batch of rice flour


 


***To sum it up... Smoking isn't healthy.  However, there are plenty of other harmful things out there and I'm tired of people who smoke being villified. 


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adulation
by on Sep. 11, 2012 at 10:23 PM

And you seem like a cunt but I didn't butt into your business.  I was responding to the OP, not to you. 

Quoting Sat.Wed:

I care for my childern (one whom is special needs) and yes I HELP my parents w/my grandmother AND helping with my brother and sister so dont even go there girl, IF your sooooo worried then DO SOMETHING and STOP complaing you sound like a snivleing little brat #just saying


Quoting adulation:

nah, I just call my daughter back inside and tell her she's not allowed to be around grandma when she's smoking.  but i'm sure she does it when i'm not home.  I can't move, my mom can't afford for me to.  Maybe you're that much of a bitch but I'm not.  I help her take care of her mom as well.

Quoting Sat.Wed:

Then MOVE and STOP bitching





Quoting adulation:


I

live with my mom and she smokes.  not in the house, 99% of the time,

but she will let my dughter go outside with her while she smokes and it

pisses me off.  i hate it!

but, I don't think it should be illegal.  I just think she should have more compassion and common sense! ugh.









Sat.Wed
by on Sep. 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM
What are you 12? Cunt? really is that suppose to "hurt" my feelings? Girl Im sure I am way more mature than you and the fact you "whine" about your mom smokeing around your kid do something about and quit complaiining if it means grandma cant be around grandkid then so be it YOUR the childs mother its all up to YOU


Quoting adulation:

And you seem like a cunt but I didn't butt into your business.  I was responding to the OP, not to you. 

Quoting Sat.Wed:

I care for my childern (one whom is special needs) and yes I HELP my parents w/my grandmother AND helping with my brother and sister so dont even go there girl, IF your sooooo worried then DO SOMETHING and STOP complaing you sound like a snivleing little brat #just saying





Quoting adulation:

nah, I just call my daughter back inside and tell her she's not allowed to be around grandma when she's smoking.  but i'm sure she does it when i'm not home.  I can't move, my mom can't afford for me to.  Maybe you're that much of a bitch but I'm not.  I help her take care of her mom as well.

Quoting Sat.Wed:

Then MOVE and STOP bitching








Quoting adulation:


I


live with my mom and she smokes.  not in the house, 99% of the time,


but she will let my dughter go outside with her while she smokes and it


pisses me off.  i hate it!

but, I don't think it should be illegal.  I just think she should have more compassion and common sense! ugh.












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crzy4mc
by Bronze Member on Sep. 11, 2012 at 10:31 PM
Absolutely!! These poor kids Shouldn't pay for their poor choices.
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crzy4mc
by Bronze Member on Sep. 11, 2012 at 10:33 PM
Bitter much?

Quoting Sat.Wed:

What are you 12? Cunt? really is that suppose to "hurt" my feelings? Girl Im sure I am way more mature than you and the fact you "whine" about your mom smokeing around your kid do something about and quit complaiining if it means grandma cant be around grandkid then so be it YOUR the childs mother its all up to YOU




Quoting adulation:

And you seem like a cunt but I didn't butt into your business.  I was responding to the OP, not to you. 

Quoting Sat.Wed:

I care for my childern (one whom is special needs) and yes I HELP my parents w/my grandmother AND helping with my brother and sister so dont even go there girl, IF your sooooo worried then DO SOMETHING and STOP complaing you sound like a snivleing little brat #just saying








Quoting adulation:

nah, I just call my daughter back inside and tell her she's not allowed to be around grandma when she's smoking.  but i'm sure she does it when i'm not home.  I can't move, my mom can't afford for me to.  Maybe you're that much of a bitch but I'm not.  I help her take care of her mom as well.

Quoting Sat.Wed:

Then MOVE and STOP bitching











Quoting adulation:


I



live with my mom and she smokes.  not in the house, 99% of the time,



but she will let my dughter go outside with her while she smokes and it



pisses me off.  i hate it!

but, I don't think it should be illegal.  I just think she should have more compassion and common sense! ugh.














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TheMrs407
by on Sep. 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM
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No. I don't like it, I won't do it, but suggesting this underminds real victims of abuse...and is sick IMO.
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Sat.Wed
by on Sep. 11, 2012 at 10:37 PM
Nope actually getting quite the laugh Im totally serious though IF its such an issue w/her she needs to do something instead of "complaing" about it its called being a parent!


Quoting crzy4mc:

Bitter much?



Quoting Sat.Wed:

What are you 12? Cunt? really is that suppose to "hurt" my feelings? Girl Im sure I am way more mature than you and the fact you "whine" about your mom smokeing around your kid do something about and quit complaiining if it means grandma cant be around grandkid then so be it YOUR the childs mother its all up to YOU






Quoting adulation:

And you seem like a cunt but I didn't butt into your business.  I was responding to the OP, not to you. 

Quoting Sat.Wed:

I care for my childern (one whom is special needs) and yes I HELP my parents w/my grandmother AND helping with my brother and sister so dont even go there girl, IF your sooooo worried then DO SOMETHING and STOP complaing you sound like a snivleing little brat #just saying











Quoting adulation:

nah, I just call my daughter back inside and tell her she's not allowed to be around grandma when she's smoking.  but i'm sure she does it when i'm not home.  I can't move, my mom can't afford for me to.  Maybe you're that much of a bitch but I'm not.  I help her take care of her mom as well.

Quoting Sat.Wed:

Then MOVE and STOP bitching














Quoting adulation:


I




live with my mom and she smokes.  not in the house, 99% of the time,




but she will let my dughter go outside with her while she smokes and it




pisses me off.  i hate it!

but, I don't think it should be illegal.  I just think she should have more compassion and common sense! ugh.

















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