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Do you agree with taxes being raised on households making 250k and above?

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Basically, because a person makes more money, they should pay more than anyone else...do you agree? Why or why not?


Gross income of less than 100k pays 35% in taxes

Over 100k pays a little more than 35% in taxes, but I can't remember the exact percentage.

Over 250K pays 40% in taxes



juggling

by on Nov. 8, 2012 at 10:25 PM
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Due9
by on Nov. 9, 2012 at 12:27 AM
Quoting poietes:

I actually know people who take the last couple months of the year off so they dont go into the next tax bracket. If they did they would just be working those last two months to give it all to the govt. The current system is broken and punishes people for being successful.



I totally agree

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krayzbabylove
by on Nov. 9, 2012 at 12:27 AM

If i made that much, i would not mind.

heresjohnny
by Member on Nov. 9, 2012 at 12:30 AM
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Um, wow, cry me a fucking river. I can cut and paste this post to a government assistance thread and it would fit right it. It's the same old, same old *my hard earned tax dollars* debate. It smacks of pick-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps vibes. You DO realize that this country thrives on the separation of classes, right? If every single US citizen had a higher education and had a good paying job, there would be no one to flip your burgers, check you out at the register, or pick your vegetables. You can claim that minimum wage jobs are for teens and the disabled 'till you're blue in the face, but there aren't nearly enough of them to fill the positions. The majority of jobs in the US are minimum wage, or slightly higher. So shake your fingers at the poor for being poor all you want, but remember those jobs FAR outnumber good paying jobs. I can't count the number of times I've stated in this thread how unfair it would be to tax the poor because they can't pay taxes and stil survive on their remaining income, but you're so caught up on your hard earned tax dollars that you don't even seem to care. It's a shame, it must get very lonely in that small mind of yours sometimes.

Quoting Due9:

But did you or your spouse go to school for 8 years or more? Did you spend your entire savings taking a risk to open a business? Did you know that surgeons work at least 60 hours a week, if they're lucky? You think it's fair to make someone who succeeded in life financially pay more because they can? It is not anyone's fault but your own that you are poor. It is not the rich people's fault, it is not the other poor people's fault, it is no other persons fault. Your thinking is very twisted.


Sat.Wed
by on Nov. 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM
IF the rate is the same then NO your not paying more, the "better off" claim they are paying so much blah blah, Hell I pay more in taxes than they do Heck I pay MORE in taxes then the repulican candate AND the president and NO i DO NOT get a refund and no Im NOT a welfare mother either so PLEASE show me how its fair I pay 35%+ in taxes but business men (Like Romeny EXAMPLE ONLY) ONLY pay 10% IF that?

hence why I say the tax code as a WHOLE needs revised NOT just 1 or 2 parts my opinion


Quoting sarah824:

Why should people who make more pay a higher percentage than those who make less? How is THAT fair?


If you make $100,000 and I make $200,000 and the percentage is 35% then I will automatically pay more because I made more. Seems fair to me! 


Quoting Sat.Wed:

How is that fair? Flat Tax is not the answer either, the tax code as a whole NEEDS revamped



Quoting sarah824:


 I think the tax rate should be the same for everyone. If I make X and you make Y then the percentage should be the same regardless of the actual amount.



 


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marinewife55
by on Nov. 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM
Oh wow. I don't really have an opinion bout taxes but that's kinda messed up you are judging her without knowing anything about her. I hate that most people base success off how much people make in money. I went to school for 5 years and working on another two years and I work 50-60 hrs a week, but I don't make a lot of money because I'm salary and work in the social work field. But I feel very successful when I see all the abused children I have positively impacted and the kids on probation who don't end up in jail when they become an adult.


Quoting Due9:

But did you or your spouse go to school for 8 years or more? Did you spend your entire savings taking a risk to open a business? Did you know that surgeons work at least 60 hours a week, if they're lucky? You think it's fair to make someone who succeeded in life financially pay more because they can? It is not anyone's fault but your own that you are poor. It is not the rich people's fault, it is not the other poor people's fault, it is no other persons fault. Your thinking is very twisted.



Quoting MissTacoBell:

As a poor person, I see it as the only way we can get out of debt. My household makes 24k gross. If we taxed everyone at a flat rate, it would have to be close to 20% not including things like sdi, and all those other things you get deducted from your checks. For those making 100k and up, it's not much of a problem because 75-80k is for most suburban areas, enough to live on. If you taxed us at that same rate, there's no way we could live even with foodstamps. We don't have a car payment either. $4,800 dollars for those living at our income level is 6 months of rent. We cannot live without it.



That is why a flat tax would have to have a floor, otherwise, most of what's paid out gets returned anyway in welfare. What's the point? It's extra cost to the state to pay people to process the welfare.



But everyone lives by economies of scale. For me, 80k would be easy street. I don't have cable, Internet or a car payment. My phone is paid by my parents because otherwise I wouldn't have a phone. They got me an iPhone so I could have phone and Internet.



For someone who makes more and has cable, Internet, mortgage, car pmt, student loans, credit cards, other monthly debts, 80k may be paycheck to paycheck. But many of those can be downsized in favor of necessities. It seems unfair that making 100k they should, I agree, but taxes are an obligation too. It's not fair you have a 3k mortgage and I pay 835 in rent, but that's your obligation.



The higher you get in income, the less bad I feel. If you make 250k and you can't live on 200k, there's something very wrong. Jmo. That's 10 years worth of what we earn.


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Sat.Wed
by on Nov. 9, 2012 at 12:36 AM
* Republican* ( stupid phone lol)


Quoting Sat.Wed:

IF the rate is the same then NO your not paying more, the "better off" claim they are paying so much blah blah, Hell I pay more in taxes than they do Heck I pay MORE in taxes then the repulican candate AND the president and NO i DO NOT get a refund and no Im NOT a welfare mother either so PLEASE show me how its fair I pay 35%+ in taxes but business men (Like Romeny EXAMPLE ONLY) ONLY pay 10% IF that?



hence why I say the tax code as a WHOLE needs revised NOT just 1 or 2 parts my opinion




Quoting sarah824:

Why should people who make more pay a higher percentage than those who make less? How is THAT fair?



If you make $100,000 and I make $200,000 and the percentage is 35% then I will automatically pay more because I made more. Seems fair to me! 



Quoting Sat.Wed:

How is that fair? Flat Tax is not the answer either, the tax code as a whole NEEDS revamped




Quoting sarah824:



 I think the tax rate should be the same for everyone. If I make X and you make Y then the percentage should be the same regardless of the actual amount.




 



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heresjohnny
by Member on Nov. 9, 2012 at 12:49 AM
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Exactly. There's a very flawed misconception that the higher your paycheck, the harder you work. My dad drove a tractor 60+ hours a week when I was growing up, and he definitely didn't make a lot of money. My DH has a masters degree, and his salary will never top $100k. He often works 60+ hours a week, and he's actually been working 24/7 for the past 7 months. Literally 24/7, day and night, sleeping in shifts. But dammit, if you don't get paid a hefty 6 figure salary, that must mean you're a lazy uneducated leach to society, and it's your own damn fault for not working harder to get paid more, right?

Quoting marinewife55:

Oh wow. I don't really have an opinion bout taxes but that's kinda messed up you are judging her without knowing anything about her. I hate that most people base success off how much people make in money. I went to school for 5 years and working on another two years and I work 50-60 hrs a week, but I don't make a lot of money because I'm salary and work in the social work field. But I feel very successful when I see all the abused children I have positively impacted and the kids on probation who don't end up in jail when they become an adult.


moneysaver6
by on Nov. 9, 2012 at 1:26 AM

If there truly were a flat-tax where everyone paid the same percentage, say 20%, then our government would actually be getting MORE money and would be doing BETTER.  Those in the upper income who skirt by with a lower percentage wouldn't be allowed to do so and the 42% who currently don't pay any taxes would actually start paying THEIR fair share.  For once.

Quoting heresjohnny:

Actually, yes, I agree with it. It's not fair, but our economy can't survive a flat-rate tax. The people in the lower brackets would struggle to feed their families if their taxes were raised to the level of the upper brackets. And if the wealthy's taxes were lowered to the same amount as the lower brackets, our government would go bankrupt. If you think our national debt is bad now, just wait 'till you see what it would look like if they stopped collecting as much taxes. In fact, I think our government should go further than just taxing the wealthy at a higher rate than the poor/middle-income, I think they should close all those loopholes that allow the uber-wealthy to get away with paying less than 10%.


moneysaver6
by on Nov. 9, 2012 at 1:31 AM

Let's assume that nothing else changes except the 20% tax rate that everyone is now expected to pay.  That person making $24K would still be getting EIC, they'd still be getting food stamps, they'd still be getting WIC if they qualify, they'd still be getting free lunch &/or breakfast for their kids at school, they'd still be getting medicaid for the kids, etc...

If the $835 rent is too much, then they should move to a place that is more affordable.  When we made $26K early on in our marriage, there's no way we could have afforded rent that high...and we weren't receiving any kind of government aid.  (We had no children and gave birth to our first during that time in our lives so it wasn't necessary.)

Quoting MissTacoBell:

As a poor person, I see it as the only way we can get out of debt. My household makes 24k gross. If we taxed everyone at a flat rate, it would have to be close to 20% not including things like sdi, and all those other things you get deducted from your checks. For those making 100k and up, it's not much of a problem because 75-80k is for most suburban areas, enough to live on. If you taxed us at that same rate, there's no way we could live even with foodstamps. We don't have a car payment either. $4,800 dollars for those living at our income level is 6 months of rent. We cannot live without it.

That is why a flat tax would have to have a floor, otherwise, most of what's paid out gets returned anyway in welfare. What's the point? It's extra cost to the state to pay people to process the welfare.

But everyone lives by economies of scale. For me, 80k would be easy street. I don't have cable, Internet or a car payment. My phone is paid by my parents because otherwise I wouldn't have a phone. They got me an iPhone so I could have phone and Internet.

For someone who makes more and has cable, Internet, mortgage, car pmt, student loans, credit cards, other monthly debts, 80k may be paycheck to paycheck. But many of those can be downsized in favor of necessities. It seems unfair that making 100k they should, I agree, but taxes are an obligation too. It's not fair you have a 3k mortgage and I pay 835 in rent, but that's your obligation.

The higher you get in income, the less bad I feel. If you make 250k and you can't live on 200k, there's something very wrong. Jmo. That's 10 years worth of what we earn.


StoneColdKiller
by Platinum Member on Nov. 9, 2012 at 1:34 AM
I think you missed due9 point which was about not money not how fulfilled in your job you are. Yes a lot of people work hard and a lot of 6 figure people work hard hold they have to at more just caused they picked a field that is more demanding and higher pay?

Tacobell sadly thinks 40% of 250k is only 50k, it's more like 100k in taxes. I don't in any why think that is fair. I would hate if I worked and made 125k and my husband worked and made 125k that we get hit with higher taxes.

It's sad that we got into a new tax bracket last year, so unlike people who get 5-8k back normally we barely get 2k and that's not even a 3rd of what we pay in a year.


Quoting marinewife55:

Oh wow. I don't really have an opinion bout taxes but that's kinda messed up you are judging her without knowing anything about her. I hate that most people base success off how much people make in money. I went to school for 5 years and working on another two years and I work 50-60 hrs a week, but I don't make a lot of money because I'm salary and work in the social work field. But I feel very successful when I see all the abused children I have positively impacted and the kids on probation who don't end up in jail when they become an adult.




Quoting Due9:

But did you or your spouse go to school for 8 years or more? Did you spend your entire savings taking a risk to open a business? Did you know that surgeons work at least 60 hours a week, if they're lucky? You think it's fair to make someone who succeeded in life financially pay more because they can? It is not anyone's fault but your own that you are poor. It is not the rich people's fault, it is not the other poor people's fault, it is no other persons fault. Your thinking is very twisted.





Quoting MissTacoBell:

As a poor person, I see it as the only way we can get out of debt. My household makes 24k gross. If we taxed everyone at a flat rate, it would have to be close to 20% not including things like sdi, and all those other things you get deducted from your checks. For those making 100k and up, it's not much of a problem because 75-80k is for most suburban areas, enough to live on. If you taxed us at that same rate, there's no way we could live even with foodstamps. We don't have a car payment either. $4,800 dollars for those living at our income level is 6 months of rent. We cannot live without it.





That is why a flat tax would have to have a floor, otherwise, most of what's paid out gets returned anyway in welfare. What's the point? It's extra cost to the state to pay people to process the welfare.





But everyone lives by economies of scale. For me, 80k would be easy street. I don't have cable, Internet or a car payment. My phone is paid by my parents because otherwise I wouldn't have a phone. They got me an iPhone so I could have phone and Internet.





For someone who makes more and has cable, Internet, mortgage, car pmt, student loans, credit cards, other monthly debts, 80k may be paycheck to paycheck. But many of those can be downsized in favor of necessities. It seems unfair that making 100k they should, I agree, but taxes are an obligation too. It's not fair you have a 3k mortgage and I pay 835 in rent, but that's your obligation.





The higher you get in income, the less bad I feel. If you make 250k and you can't live on 200k, there's something very wrong. Jmo. That's 10 years worth of what we earn.


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