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Here's something that has been bugging me for a couple months now, and the holidays are making me think about it more. We had a big party this past summer, people of all ages for the entire day & night. 2 of the families left super early (2 of my aunts, their husbands, and their adult sons) because they felt it was a dangerous place.

We bought a house with some property and have some 4 wheelers & a go cart. I require that all minors have parent's approval and wear safety gear. For adults, I just ask if they know how to ride. My aunts thought it was horrible that I don't also require adults to wear helmets. They are offered, but it is not a rule to ride. I personally think it is very stupid to ride anything like that w/o a helmet, but whatever...these are adults. Their sons-my cousins-chose to not wear helmets (they are all right around 19-25). While I was preparing food (for about 60 people), keeping an eye on kids, and mingling, my aunts & uncles thought I should be yelling at these guys and forcing them to wear helmets. I wouldn't. So they left. And I don't expect them to come back to a party like that.

Also, in the back of the yard, some guys were doing some target practice. These are all licensed guys who weren't drinking...but it totally freaked out some of my family (I should mention they've done very similar things at their parties).

What do you think? Should I make it a requirement that even adults wear helmets?

by on Nov. 14, 2012 at 12:43 PM
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christina0607
by on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:39 AM
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Of course you should ask them to wear helmets, that absolutely is the right thing to do.

I would never allow anyone in my car without a seat belt, I don't care how old they are. I would never want to feel responsible for any kind of injury. Same thing, as far as I'm concerned you would be partially responsible since they are your vehicles and your property.

And yes I think you can be sued. their injuries would fall under your homeowners since they are not only on your property they are using your equipment.

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

The question was who's right-me or my aunts: Should I make adults wear helmets.  I agree it's stupid not to.  But they are adults.  It's not even the law to wear a helmet while on a motorcycle going 70 next to 16 yr old drivers down the expressway here...I'm not going to force them to wear one while on a 4 wheeler on the grass.

Quoting christina0607:

Why does someone have to be "right"....they didn't want to be involved with something obviously stupid, so they chose to leave. You don't care that it's stupid, thats your choice.

No one is wrong here.

I would have left too.



Make someone happy today, mind your own business.

RobinBright
by Gold Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:46 AM

I would not allow anyone to ride without a helmet on my property, just like I do not allow adults in my car without seatbelts even though it is legal.

mom2the.rescue
by Bronze Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:47 AM

I didn't ask if I could be sued.  You can sue just about anyone for anything.  And there is a difference between asking an adult to wear a helmet and telling them they can't ride w/o one on.  If you know a lot of people who ride, you know a lot of them just don't wear helmets. 

Quoting christina0607:

Of course you should ask them to wear helmets, that absolutely is the right thing to do.

I would never allow anyone in my car without a seat belt, I don't care how old they are. I would never want to feel responsible for any kind of injury. Same thing, as far as I'm concerned you would be partially responsible since they are your vehicles and your property.

And yes I think you can be sued. their injuries would fall under your homeowners since they are not only on your property they are using your equipment.

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

The question was who's right-me or my aunts: Should I make adults wear helmets.  I agree it's stupid not to.  But they are adults.  It's not even the law to wear a helmet while on a motorcycle going 70 next to 16 yr old drivers down the expressway here...I'm not going to force them to wear one while on a 4 wheeler on the grass.

Quoting christina0607:

Why does someone have to be "right"....they didn't want to be involved with something obviously stupid, so they chose to leave. You don't care that it's stupid, thats your choice.

No one is wrong here.

I would have left too.

 



wildlilacs
by on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:53 AM
Their PARENTS should have told them no helmets...no ride, if they were really concerned. Not your job.
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christina0607
by on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:54 AM
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the first couple of replies are about you not being sure if you can be sued...are they not?

I would give a rats ass what people did on their own time...but on my time I would be an adult and have rules.

Is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect the rules in your home, so you don't bother having them?

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

I didn't ask if I could be sued.  You can sue just about anyone for anything.  And there is a difference between asking an adult to wear a helmet and telling them they can't ride w/o one on.  If you know a lot of people who ride, you know a lot of them just don't wear helmets. 

Quoting christina0607:

Of course you should ask them to wear helmets, that absolutely is the right thing to do.

I would never allow anyone in my car without a seat belt, I don't care how old they are. I would never want to feel responsible for any kind of injury. Same thing, as far as I'm concerned you would be partially responsible since they are your vehicles and your property.

And yes I think you can be sued. their injuries would fall under your homeowners since they are not only on your property they are using your equipment.

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

The question was who's right-me or my aunts: Should I make adults wear helmets.  I agree it's stupid not to.  But they are adults.  It's not even the law to wear a helmet while on a motorcycle going 70 next to 16 yr old drivers down the expressway here...I'm not going to force them to wear one while on a 4 wheeler on the grass.

Quoting christina0607:

Why does someone have to be "right"....they didn't want to be involved with something obviously stupid, so they chose to leave. You don't care that it's stupid, thats your choice.

No one is wrong here.

I would have left too.





Make someone happy today, mind your own business.

Mrs.Tirado
by on Nov. 15, 2012 at 10:01 AM
I agree


Quoting JustMe0326:

Oh jeeze. I sorta think some of your family is overreacting. I have the same situation in my life. My brother is the one with a lot of land, a building full of quads and dirt bikes and my df goes out there to shoot. It's country living. We're the same way. The kids are required to wear gear to ride, adults are not. You can't force another adult to do something. That's just ridiculous.

I say if they want to leave, let em. The people who aren't wearing helmets are grown adults and can handle themselves.

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mom2the.rescue
by Bronze Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 10:23 AM

The first few posts were people saying I could face legal problems if I didn't require it, and I talked to them about that issue.  My question in my post was should I require adults to wear helmets. 

The problem was that my aunts wanted me to stop hosting this party to chase around a bunch of adults (their children) and force them to wear helmets or get off the machines.

Quoting christina0607:

the first couple of replies are about you not being sure if you can be sued...are they not?

I would give a rats ass what people did on their own time...but on my time I would be an adult and have rules.

Is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect the rules in your home, so you don't bother having them?

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

I didn't ask if I could be sued.  You can sue just about anyone for anything.  And there is a difference between asking an adult to wear a helmet and telling them they can't ride w/o one on.  If you know a lot of people who ride, you know a lot of them just don't wear helmets. 

Quoting christina0607:

Of course you should ask them to wear helmets, that absolutely is the right thing to do.

I would never allow anyone in my car without a seat belt, I don't care how old they are. I would never want to feel responsible for any kind of injury. Same thing, as far as I'm concerned you would be partially responsible since they are your vehicles and your property.

And yes I think you can be sued. their injuries would fall under your homeowners since they are not only on your property they are using your equipment.

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

The question was who's right-me or my aunts: Should I make adults wear helmets.  I agree it's stupid not to.  But they are adults.  It's not even the law to wear a helmet while on a motorcycle going 70 next to 16 yr old drivers down the expressway here...I'm not going to force them to wear one while on a 4 wheeler on the grass.

Quoting christina0607:

Why does someone have to be "right"....they didn't want to be involved with something obviously stupid, so they chose to leave. You don't care that it's stupid, thats your choice.

No one is wrong here.

I would have left too.

 


 



mom2the.rescue
by Bronze Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 10:24 AM

That's kind of how I felt...but again, these guys are adults and probably would remind their parents of that and continue with what they were doing.  They did leave with their parents, b/c they were their rides and they had work the next morning.

Quoting wildlilacs:

Their PARENTS should have told them no helmets...no ride, if they were really concerned. Not your job.


davnrori
by on Nov. 15, 2012 at 10:26 AM

 If you don't require them to wear helmets, you should at least have them sign something releasing you from liability if they are injured while not wearing helmets. As the property and equipment owner, you are liable for injuries that happen on your property regardless of whether or not the injured party is over the age of 18 years old. The fact that there was alcohol available at the party would, of course, negate any signed agreement if the injured party was found to be legally drunk at the time of injury because no one can enter a legal, binding agreement while impaired. I believe your Aunt and Uncle were correct when they told you that you should require everyone to operate those vehicals in a correct and safe manner. The felt uncomfortable in a situation where someone could be seriously injured and so they left, as it was their right to do so. I would also like to note that having 'target practice' while children are running around is idiotic. 'in the back of the yard', I know you said you have 'property' but how large is it? Is it large enough that a child could slip away unnoticed for some time and appear in the vicinity of people who are using weapons? This was an unsafe situation from beginning to end.

mom2the.rescue
by Bronze Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Hmm I never thought of having people sign a waiver lol.  Thanks for that idea.  And nobody who was riding was drinking any alcohol, that was pretty early in the day anyway.  The target practice was very far from the party, you could barely hear it.  We have about 5 acres here, with hundreds of acres behind our house.

Quoting davnrori:

 If you don't require them to wear helmets, you should at least have them sign something releasing you from liability if they are injured while not wearing helmets. As the property and equipment owner, you are liable for injuries that happen on your property regardless of whether or not the injured party is over the age of 18 years old. The fact that there was alcohol available at the party would, of course, negate any signed agreement if the injured party was found to be legally drunk at the time of injury because no one can enter a legal, binding agreement while impaired. I believe your Aunt and Uncle were correct when they told you that you should require everyone to operate those vehicals in a correct and safe manner. The felt uncomfortable in a situation where someone could be seriously injured and so they left, as it was their right to do so. I would also like to note that having 'target practice' while children are running around is idiotic. 'in the back of the yard', I know you said you have 'property' but how large is it? Is it large enough that a child could slip away unnoticed for some time and appear in the vicinity of people who are using weapons? This was an unsafe situation from beginning to end.


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