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Here's something that has been bugging me for a couple months now, and the holidays are making me think about it more. We had a big party this past summer, people of all ages for the entire day & night. 2 of the families left super early (2 of my aunts, their husbands, and their adult sons) because they felt it was a dangerous place.

We bought a house with some property and have some 4 wheelers & a go cart. I require that all minors have parent's approval and wear safety gear. For adults, I just ask if they know how to ride. My aunts thought it was horrible that I don't also require adults to wear helmets. They are offered, but it is not a rule to ride. I personally think it is very stupid to ride anything like that w/o a helmet, but whatever...these are adults. Their sons-my cousins-chose to not wear helmets (they are all right around 19-25). While I was preparing food (for about 60 people), keeping an eye on kids, and mingling, my aunts & uncles thought I should be yelling at these guys and forcing them to wear helmets. I wouldn't. So they left. And I don't expect them to come back to a party like that.

Also, in the back of the yard, some guys were doing some target practice. These are all licensed guys who weren't drinking...but it totally freaked out some of my family (I should mention they've done very similar things at their parties).

What do you think? Should I make it a requirement that even adults wear helmets?

by on Nov. 14, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Replies (21-30):
christina0607
by on Nov. 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM

This is a conversation, sometimes other things come up. It's just how it works. The fact that you are legally responsible for what happens on your property is kind of a big deal.

You didn't answer my question....is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect you if you did ask them to wear helmets? You have already said that you know you are legally bound by this, you've said that you know it's stupid not to wear a helmet....so what exactly is keeping you from simply saying...wear a helmet?

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

The first few posts were people saying I could face legal problems if I didn't require it, and I talked to them about that issue.  My question in my post was should I require adults to wear helmets. 

The problem was that my aunts wanted me to stop hosting this party to chase around a bunch of adults (their children) and force them to wear helmets or get off the machines.

Quoting christina0607:

the first couple of replies are about you not being sure if you can be sued...are they not?

I would give a rats ass what people did on their own time...but on my time I would be an adult and have rules.

Is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect the rules in your home, so you don't bother having them?

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

I didn't ask if I could be sued.  You can sue just about anyone for anything.  And there is a difference between asking an adult to wear a helmet and telling them they can't ride w/o one on.  If you know a lot of people who ride, you know a lot of them just don't wear helmets. 

Quoting christina0607:

Of course you should ask them to wear helmets, that absolutely is the right thing to do.

I would never allow anyone in my car without a seat belt, I don't care how old they are. I would never want to feel responsible for any kind of injury. Same thing, as far as I'm concerned you would be partially responsible since they are your vehicles and your property.

And yes I think you can be sued. their injuries would fall under your homeowners since they are not only on your property they are using your equipment.

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

The question was who's right-me or my aunts: Should I make adults wear helmets.  I agree it's stupid not to.  But they are adults.  It's not even the law to wear a helmet while on a motorcycle going 70 next to 16 yr old drivers down the expressway here...I'm not going to force them to wear one while on a 4 wheeler on the grass.

Quoting christina0607:

Why does someone have to be "right"....they didn't want to be involved with something obviously stupid, so they chose to leave. You don't care that it's stupid, thats your choice.

No one is wrong here.

I would have left too.







Make someone happy today, mind your own business.

kim8934
by on Nov. 15, 2012 at 11:48 AM

we use to have parties like this also, everyone is required to wear a helmet, but the adults rarely do.  It's not your job to require a grown man to wear a helmet.

evelynolivesmom
by on Nov. 15, 2012 at 11:58 AM

 I miss the country! Cover your ass legally, but good luck forcing adults to wear helmets.

wildlilacs
by on Nov. 15, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Have family members sign a waiver, yeah, like that will go over really well. Feel the warm fuzzy feelings....just fly out the door. If there are waivers for helmets, then should be waivers for target practice.
Those with swimming pools and trampolines, need waivers too.
Need to protect yourself from sue happy family.


Quoting davnrori:

 If you don't require them to wear helmets, you should at least have them sign something releasing you from liability if they are injured while not wearing helmets. As the property and equipment owner, you are liable for injuries that happen on your property regardless of whether or not the injured party is over the age of 18 years old. The fact that there was alcohol available at the party would, of course, negate any signed agreement if the injured party was found to be legally drunk at the time of injury because no one can enter a legal, binding agreement while impaired. I believe your Aunt and Uncle were correct when they told you that you should require everyone to operate those vehicals in a correct and safe manner. The felt uncomfortable in a situation where someone could be seriously injured and so they left, as it was their right to do so. I would also like to note that having 'target practice' while children are running around is idiotic. 'in the back of the yard', I know you said you have 'property' but how large is it? Is it large enough that a child could slip away unnoticed for some time and appear in the vicinity of people who are using weapons? This was an unsafe situation from beginning to end.


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mom2the.rescue
by Bronze Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:57 PM

I did answer your question.  You asked if the problem was whether I thought my friends would respect the rules in my home.  When I replied, I told you the problem.  And it wasn't that. 

Just because I think it's stupid to not wear a helmet doesn't mean I'm going to force them on adults.  There are plenty of smokers who visit us.  I let them smoke outside...should I not allow that b/c it's bad for them & on my property?  Motorcyclists don't wear helmets in this state.  If there were motorcyclists riding in my yard, should I force them to wear a helmet too? 

 

Quoting christina0607:

This is a conversation, sometimes other things come up. It's just how it works. The fact that you are legally responsible for what happens on your property is kind of a big deal.

You didn't answer my question....is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect you if you did ask them to wear helmets? You have already said that you know you are legally bound by this, you've said that you know it's stupid not to wear a helmet....so what exactly is keeping you from simply saying...wear a helmet?

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

The first few posts were people saying I could face legal problems if I didn't require it, and I talked to them about that issue.  My question in my post was should I require adults to wear helmets. 

The problem was that my aunts wanted me to stop hosting this party to chase around a bunch of adults (their children) and force them to wear helmets or get off the machines.

Quoting christina0607:

the first couple of replies are about you not being sure if you can be sued...are they not?

I would give a rats ass what people did on their own time...but on my time I would be an adult and have rules.

Is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect the rules in your home, so you don't bother having them?

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

I didn't ask if I could be sued.  You can sue just about anyone for anything.  And there is a difference between asking an adult to wear a helmet and telling them they can't ride w/o one on.  If you know a lot of people who ride, you know a lot of them just don't wear helmets. 

Quoting christina0607:

Of course you should ask them to wear helmets, that absolutely is the right thing to do.

I would never allow anyone in my car without a seat belt, I don't care how old they are. I would never want to feel responsible for any kind of injury. Same thing, as far as I'm concerned you would be partially responsible since they are your vehicles and your property.

And yes I think you can be sued. their injuries would fall under your homeowners since they are not only on your property they are using your equipment.

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

The question was who's right-me or my aunts: Should I make adults wear helmets.  I agree it's stupid not to.  But they are adults.  It's not even the law to wear a helmet while on a motorcycle going 70 next to 16 yr old drivers down the expressway here...I'm not going to force them to wear one while on a 4 wheeler on the grass.

Quoting christina0607:

Why does someone have to be "right"....they didn't want to be involved with something obviously stupid, so they chose to leave. You don't care that it's stupid, thats your choice.

No one is wrong here.

I would have left too.

 


 


 



mom2the.rescue
by Bronze Member on Nov. 15, 2012 at 9:59 PM

lol, I know...it's sad isn't it?  Sue happy people were a topic of debate in a class today.  It's ridiculous that people might have adult family members sign a waiver to come over...I haven't even talked about our home made zip line yet lol.

Quoting wildlilacs:

Have family members sign a waiver, yeah, like that will go over really well. Feel the warm fuzzy feelings....just fly out the door. If there are waivers for helmets, then should be waivers for target practice.
Those with swimming pools and trampolines, need waivers too.
Need to protect yourself from sue happy family.


Quoting davnrori:

 If you don't require them to wear helmets, you should at least have them sign something releasing you from liability if they are injured while not wearing helmets. As the property and equipment owner, you are liable for injuries that happen on your property regardless of whether or not the injured party is over the age of 18 years old. The fact that there was alcohol available at the party would, of course, negate any signed agreement if the injured party was found to be legally drunk at the time of injury because no one can enter a legal, binding agreement while impaired. I believe your Aunt and Uncle were correct when they told you that you should require everyone to operate those vehicals in a correct and safe manner. The felt uncomfortable in a situation where someone could be seriously injured and so they left, as it was their right to do so. I would also like to note that having 'target practice' while children are running around is idiotic. 'in the back of the yard', I know you said you have 'property' but how large is it? Is it large enough that a child could slip away unnoticed for some time and appear in the vicinity of people who are using weapons? This was an unsafe situation from beginning to end.



christina0607
by on Nov. 16, 2012 at 7:22 AM

Why don't they smoke in the house?

And no that is not an answer to the question. How old are you?

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

I did answer your question.  You asked if the problem was whether I thought my friends would respect the rules in my home.  When I replied, I told you the problem.  And it wasn't that. 

Just because I think it's stupid to not wear a helmet doesn't mean I'm going to force them on adults.  There are plenty of smokers who visit us.  I let them smoke outside...should I not allow that b/c it's bad for them & on my property?  Motorcyclists don't wear helmets in this state.  If there were motorcyclists riding in my yard, should I force them to wear a helmet too? 

 

Quoting christina0607:

This is a conversation, sometimes other things come up. It's just how it works. The fact that you are legally responsible for what happens on your property is kind of a big deal.

You didn't answer my question....is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect you if you did ask them to wear helmets? You have already said that you know you are legally bound by this, you've said that you know it's stupid not to wear a helmet....so what exactly is keeping you from simply saying...wear a helmet?

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

The first few posts were people saying I could face legal problems if I didn't require it, and I talked to them about that issue.  My question in my post was should I require adults to wear helmets. 

The problem was that my aunts wanted me to stop hosting this party to chase around a bunch of adults (their children) and force them to wear helmets or get off the machines.

Quoting christina0607:

the first couple of replies are about you not being sure if you can be sued...are they not?

I would give a rats ass what people did on their own time...but on my time I would be an adult and have rules.

Is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect the rules in your home, so you don't bother having them?

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

I didn't ask if I could be sued.  You can sue just about anyone for anything.  And there is a difference between asking an adult to wear a helmet and telling them they can't ride w/o one on.  If you know a lot of people who ride, you know a lot of them just don't wear helmets. 

Quoting christina0607:

Of course you should ask them to wear helmets, that absolutely is the right thing to do.

I would never allow anyone in my car without a seat belt, I don't care how old they are. I would never want to feel responsible for any kind of injury. Same thing, as far as I'm concerned you would be partially responsible since they are your vehicles and your property.

And yes I think you can be sued. their injuries would fall under your homeowners since they are not only on your property they are using your equipment.

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

The question was who's right-me or my aunts: Should I make adults wear helmets.  I agree it's stupid not to.  But they are adults.  It's not even the law to wear a helmet while on a motorcycle going 70 next to 16 yr old drivers down the expressway here...I'm not going to force them to wear one while on a 4 wheeler on the grass.

Quoting christina0607:

Why does someone have to be "right"....they didn't want to be involved with something obviously stupid, so they chose to leave. You don't care that it's stupid, thats your choice.

No one is wrong here.

I would have left too.









Make someone happy today, mind your own business.

Paperfishies
by on Nov. 16, 2012 at 7:27 AM
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For insurance reasons you should have required they wears helmets. It is pure ignorance not to have required that.
I am pro gun, I own over 100 guns. However doing some "target practice" at a house party where liquor is being served and kids are running around is beyong insane. I would have packed my children up and left. You are asking for a tragic problem.
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kansasmom1978
by on Nov. 16, 2012 at 8:23 AM

Um the aunts should have been yelling at thier sons. I myself would have required anyone and everyone to wear a helmet. In this day and age people sue anyone for anything. If someone gets hurt on your property you are liable even if it's family. 

LaughingTattoo
by on Nov. 16, 2012 at 8:27 AM

No- like you said, these are adults. If they cant make their own decisions and not expect others to make it for them....well, they have issues.

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