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Here's something that has been bugging me for a couple months now, and the holidays are making me think about it more. We had a big party this past summer, people of all ages for the entire day & night. 2 of the families left super early (2 of my aunts, their husbands, and their adult sons) because they felt it was a dangerous place.

We bought a house with some property and have some 4 wheelers & a go cart. I require that all minors have parent's approval and wear safety gear. For adults, I just ask if they know how to ride. My aunts thought it was horrible that I don't also require adults to wear helmets. They are offered, but it is not a rule to ride. I personally think it is very stupid to ride anything like that w/o a helmet, but whatever...these are adults. Their sons-my cousins-chose to not wear helmets (they are all right around 19-25). While I was preparing food (for about 60 people), keeping an eye on kids, and mingling, my aunts & uncles thought I should be yelling at these guys and forcing them to wear helmets. I wouldn't. So they left. And I don't expect them to come back to a party like that.

Also, in the back of the yard, some guys were doing some target practice. These are all licensed guys who weren't drinking...but it totally freaked out some of my family (I should mention they've done very similar things at their parties).

What do you think? Should I make it a requirement that even adults wear helmets?

by on Nov. 14, 2012 at 12:43 PM
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MommaGreenhalge
by Gold Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 8:39 AM
I would make them, and I would leave if someone was riding without one. Part of the reason is that i don't want my kids witnessing that kind of stupidity. But I have a thing with four wheelers. I have a huge scar on my face from an accident when I was a kid growing up in the country where no one followed the rules on those things. And then a couple of years later a friend of mine was killed on one. I would check with your insurance, because I bet you would be liable.
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mom2the.rescue
by Bronze Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 8:40 AM

It's ignorance to not wear a helmet.  It's hard to make a grown man do something he doesn't want to do.  And the target practice was far away from the party and no one over there had anything to drink. 

I wasn't exactly looking for all these snarky comments...I was wanting to know how many people thought I should require helmets & how many think I shouldn't.  Maybe a poll would have been a good idea.

Quoting Paperfishies:

For insurance reasons you should have required they wears helmets. It is pure ignorance not to have required that.
I am pro gun, I own over 100 guns. However doing some "target practice" at a house party where liquor is being served and kids are running around is beyong insane. I would have packed my children up and left. You are asking for a tragic problem.


mom2the.rescue
by Bronze Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 8:42 AM

lol, b/c it's a house rule-one that directly affects my family.  And yes, that is an answer to your question.  This was your question: Is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect the rules in your home, so you don't bother having them?
This was me answering it: The problem was that my aunts wanted me to stop hosting this party to chase around a bunch of adults (their children) and force them to wear helmets or get off the machines.

I'm 31.  How old are you?

Quoting christina0607:

Why don't they smoke in the house?

And no that is not an answer to the question. How old are you?

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

I did answer your question.  You asked if the problem was whether I thought my friends would respect the rules in my home.  When I replied, I told you the problem.  And it wasn't that. 

Just because I think it's stupid to not wear a helmet doesn't mean I'm going to force them on adults.  There are plenty of smokers who visit us.  I let them smoke outside...should I not allow that b/c it's bad for them & on my property?  Motorcyclists don't wear helmets in this state.  If there were motorcyclists riding in my yard, should I force them to wear a helmet too? 

 

Quoting christina0607:

This is a conversation, sometimes other things come up. It's just how it works. The fact that you are legally responsible for what happens on your property is kind of a big deal.

You didn't answer my question....is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect you if you did ask them to wear helmets? You have already said that you know you are legally bound by this, you've said that you know it's stupid not to wear a helmet....so what exactly is keeping you from simply saying...wear a helmet?

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

The first few posts were people saying I could face legal problems if I didn't require it, and I talked to them about that issue.  My question in my post was should I require adults to wear helmets. 

The problem was that my aunts wanted me to stop hosting this party to chase around a bunch of adults (their children) and force them to wear helmets or get off the machines.

Quoting christina0607:

the first couple of replies are about you not being sure if you can be sued...are they not?

I would give a rats ass what people did on their own time...but on my time I would be an adult and have rules.

Is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect the rules in your home, so you don't bother having them?

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

I didn't ask if I could be sued.  You can sue just about anyone for anything.  And there is a difference between asking an adult to wear a helmet and telling them they can't ride w/o one on.  If you know a lot of people who ride, you know a lot of them just don't wear helmets. 

Quoting christina0607:

Of course you should ask them to wear helmets, that absolutely is the right thing to do.

I would never allow anyone in my car without a seat belt, I don't care how old they are. I would never want to feel responsible for any kind of injury. Same thing, as far as I'm concerned you would be partially responsible since they are your vehicles and your property.

And yes I think you can be sued. their injuries would fall under your homeowners since they are not only on your property they are using your equipment.

Quoting mom2the.rescue:

The question was who's right-me or my aunts: Should I make adults wear helmets.  I agree it's stupid not to.  But they are adults.  It's not even the law to wear a helmet while on a motorcycle going 70 next to 16 yr old drivers down the expressway here...I'm not going to force them to wear one while on a 4 wheeler on the grass.

Quoting christina0607:

Why does someone have to be "right"....they didn't want to be involved with something obviously stupid, so they chose to leave. You don't care that it's stupid, thats your choice.

No one is wrong here.

I would have left too.

 


 


 


 



MommaGreenhalge
by Gold Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 8:45 AM
And it's not like you would have to force a helmet on to someone's head. Just don't hand over the keys until they have one on.
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CampClan
by Bronze Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Here's my thing... your cousins are adults. And for their own parents to tell you to make them wear a helmet seems stupid. I mean your aunt & uncle are their parents for crying outloud! THEY should tell them to wear one! BUT like you said- they are aldults! If the law says you have to wear one to ride a 4 wheeler then you should enforce the law (even if they are adults). And if an accident occurs when they aren't wearing one then that's on them (even if it's not law). I think you did what you could by providing the helmets.

christina0607
by on Nov. 16, 2012 at 9:07 AM

So you don't have a problem asking them to do certain things in your home. Why do you have such a hard time asking them to respect you about the helmets? And don't say it doesn't directly effect you, unless you are independently wealthy and a few thousand in hospital bills isn't an issue. Not to mention the emotional toll it would take on your family for being responsible for the pain and suffering of another family member...that wouldn't be easy.

I get it..you don't understand simple conversation and context. I was asking why you can't ask them to do something as simple as wear a helmet if you(as you've already said) think it's stupid not to.You said you can't ask adults to do something(though clearly you can because you ask them not to smoke in your house) ...so is the problem that you feel they wouldn't respect you? Or do you just honestly not care about their health and well being...or the financial responsibility you would hold.

I really thought you were far younger...much younger. I'm shocked actually.


lol, b/c it's a house rule-one that directly affects my family.  And yes, that is an answer to your question.  This was your question: Is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect the rules in your home, so you don't bother having them?
This was me answering it: The problem was that my aunts wanted me to stop hosting this party to chase around a bunch of adults (their children) and force them to wear helmets or get off the machines.

I'm 31.  How old are you?

Quoting christina0607:

Why don't they smoke in the house?

And no that is not an answer to the question. How old are you?


Make someone happy today, mind your own business.

mom2the.rescue
by Bronze Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 9:22 AM

whew, thanks!  The moms who think I was right seem to understand that adults can make their own choices.  The moms who think I was wrong seem to just think I'm ignorant and stupid.

Quoting CampClan:

Here's my thing... your cousins are adults. And for their own parents to tell you to make them wear a helmet seems stupid. I mean your aunt & uncle are their parents for crying outloud! THEY should tell them to wear one! BUT like you said- they are aldults! If the law says you have to wear one to ride a 4 wheeler then you should enforce the law (even if they are adults). And if an accident occurs when they aren't wearing one then that's on them (even if it's not law). I think you did what you could by providing the helmets.


PinkButterfly66
by Bronze Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Target practice at a family cookout?  I would have left too!

MommaGreenhalge
by Gold Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 9:33 AM
Oh I get it now. You weren't really asking a question. You just wanted validation. Silly me, I thought you might want to know what people actually thought. I should know better.
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mom2the.rescue
by Bronze Member on Nov. 16, 2012 at 9:34 AM

It's getting harder and harder to talk to you with tact.  I'm having a hard time thinking of things to say to you w/o being offensive.  Maybe if you push a little harder I'll get heated up enough to respond, but right now I think I'm done conversing with you.

 

Quoting christina0607:

So you don't have a problem asking them to do certain things in your home. Why do you have such a hard time asking them to respect you about the helmets? And don't say it doesn't directly effect you, unless you are independently wealthy and a few thousand in hospital bills isn't an issue. Not to mention the emotional toll it would take on your family for being responsible for the pain and suffering of another family member...that wouldn't be easy.

I get it..you don't understand simple conversation and context. I was asking why you can't ask them to do something as simple as wear a helmet if you(as you've already said) think it's stupid not to.You said you can't ask adults to do something(though clearly you can because you ask them not to smoke in your house) ...so is the problem that you feel they wouldn't respect you? Or do you just honestly not care about their health and well being...or the financial responsibility you would hold.

I really thought you were far younger...much younger. I'm shocked actually.


lol, b/c it's a house rule-one that directly affects my family.  And yes, that is an answer to your question.  This was your question: Is the problem that you don't think your friends would respect the rules in your home, so you don't bother having them?
This was me answering it: The problem was that my aunts wanted me to stop hosting this party to chase around a bunch of adults (their children) and force them to wear helmets or get off the machines.

I'm 31.  How old are you?

Quoting christina0607:

Why don't they smoke in the house?

And no that is not an answer to the question. How old are you?



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